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    tren enanthate

    i've been trying to find info on tren E, and have found some but none that have answered my questions about it! what i have to know is if it aromatizes at all?? (i cannot but on any water what so ever) and also if it coverts into DHT??? people compare this drug to parabolan and i know parabolan doesnt covert to DHT or cause water retention but i am unable to find specific info on this drug so can someone that knows for certain please hook me up with accurate info on this??? thanx!

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    Pharmaceutical Name: trenbolone (as acetate)
    Chemical structure: 17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one
    Effective dose: 40-70 mg every 2-3 days either transdermally, nasally or by injection

    According to many an opinion this drug delivers the best gains, qualitatively speaking, for money. You notice two names on top of this profile, but unfortunately finaject hasn't been made in quite a while now. Since 1987. This is quite a shame. Both Finaplix and finaject are veterinary steroids and were readily and easily available for democratic prices. Finaject was an injectable and provided you could find a sterile source it was quite convenient. Now only finaplix remains as the original source of trenbolone acetate. The Ttokkyo brand trenbol75 surfaces from time to time as well, but its derived from the same material, though qualitatively not as pure. The problem with finaplix as opposed to finaject is that it comes in veterinary implant pellets, and trust me, you don't want to get one of these babies shot in your butt. So it needs to be converted to either a transdermal (often using DMSO) or an injectable. There are kits to achieve both. Trenbolone nasal sprays are gaining popularity as well.


    Trenbolone acetate is rather short-acting but well liked because of its great availability and price. The alternative is the limited availability of Parabolan , a longer-acting trenbolone ester made for human use. Unfortunately certain lots only surface from time to time and they never sell cheap. They do act quite a bit longer. Parabolan (trenbolone as hexahydrobencylcarbonate) has the half-life of an enanthate meaning it requires less frequent injections. One of the major problems with finaplix however is that beginners making sterile injectable compounds isn't a wishful thing, and often leads to abscesses and infections.

    The fun with Fina is that it causes small, well-maintainable and quality gains. Naturally it won't give you the sort of mass that testosterone or methandrostenolone would give, but it makes up for it by adding only quality mass (no estrogen formation, so no fat and water retention) which is quite easy to keep on your frame. In contradiction to many aromatizing steroids such as testosterone where a large portion of the gained mass is quickly lost again after discontinuation of the product.

    It's also a very versatile product that can be used in a lot of different ways. One could easily stack it with testosterone, anadrol or dianabol for mass gains where the actions of trenbolone cause severe strength gains and add some quality to the mass. Since trenbolone was found to be roughly 3 to 4 times as anabolic as most testosterone esters it quite easily boosts strength over short periods of time. It acts well on the androgen receptor with as a result that it can have certain side-effects. Most notably the normal androgenic side-effects such as increased acne and a risk for prostate hypertrophy, definitely increased aggression leading to roid rage in prolonged use of high doses and in some cases an aggravation of an existing hair loss problem.

    On the other hand trenbolone just as easily combines with stanozolol or methenolone for purposes of reducing body-fat. Bill Roberts recently claimed that trenbolone doesn't reduce body-fat and that nothing in the literature proves it does. But I beg to differ. Either Mr.Roberts isn't too bright or he doesn't know how to perform a medline search, since after a mere minute of searching I found a study1 that clearly documented the fat-loss aspects of trenbolone acetate. It clearly concluded (even said so in the abstract) that trenbolone does indeed reduce body-fat (as androgens do, we discuss this in our profile of Masteron ), but only when not competing with circulating estrogen. This means as a fat-loss agonist, trenbolone is best used late in a cycle and only combined with non-aromatizing steroids since it competes with circulating estradiol. Body-fat percentage when cutting would drop regardless, simply because of the qualitative lean mass gain made while no extra body-fat is deposited.

    And finally in doses of 50-100 mg daily, trenbolone acetate can be used just fine by itself and quite favorably. In fact for people starting out, not too concerned with the side-effects and looking solely for a quality increase in lean muscle, small doses of fina (50mg/day injectable) would be very suitable.

    The mechanism by which trenbolone mediates skeletal muscle hypertrophy is diversified and not very well understood. On the one hand trenbolone is a very active agonist of the androgen receptor, as illustrated by its increasing strength and aggression at the level it does. While this is a large contributor there is evidence that it mediates muscle growth by another pathway entirely2,3, namely the increasing of satellite cell sensitivity to an increase in IGF-1 (Insulin -Like growth factor 1) and FGF (Fibroblast growth factor). This would result in a much, much greater nutrient uptake and protein synthesis and explain why trenbolone is so much more potent in building lean muscle than other non-aromatizing, AR-mediated steroids like drostanolone and mesterolone.

    In fact, in veterinary cycles the androgenic hypertrophy is regarded as the strongest of any steroid , which is why instead of using aromatizing compounds to enhance mass in cattle, they now inject them with products like Revalor-S, which contains trenbolone and estradiol, to make up for the lack of estrogenic mass accrual.

    The points one may wish to consider during use of Fina is the low sterility of some home-brewed concoctions along with the already relatively painful injections (high alcohol content). This can lead to multiple problems when it is injected daily. Lumps due to plentiful same-site injections, abscesses and infections caused by faulty filtering and so on. Trenbolone is not particularly toxic though. Liver values are barely elevated while using it. Though there is no evidence or explanation to support this, some users reported a certain kidney-toxicity. Blood in urine and all that. While this was no doubt the result of a fake (Finaject used to be an often faked steroid shortly after its discontinuation) but I figured I'd mention it. Other than that mild androgenic effects such as acne and an increase in hair loss are noted as well.

    Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Finaplix particularly provides you with a cheap source of trenbolone as well. The problem is making the cartridges into a sterile injectable or transdermal.

    To get the maximum it is recommended that you inject the stuff of course, but that's slightly more complex as you need to get rid of a lot of the crap they put in these cartridges. You will need sterile oil, solvent (lipophillic), 1 empty sterile container, A syringe filter, two syringes and 2 18gauge needles. Start by putting your pellets in your solvent, and let it sit. You want the pellets to become completely undone and dissolved in your fluid. This is imperative. Shake it up real good and then let it sit for 12-48 hours to let all the crap sink to the bottom. Now take one of your syringes and start transferring the fluid into the sterile oil. You can decant as well, but you really don't want any of the crud on the bottom to make it into this solution, so using the syringe and doing it slowly is the best way. Now take your empty sterile container and use a new syringe to transfer the oil. Attach a syringe filter between syringe and needle and slowly put the oil into your container, slowly filtering it. For everytime you repeat this step you need uncouple the filter/needle from the syringe, or else dirt will gather at the wrong side of the filter and get into your solution. In fact, if your container is a vial its advised that you leave the needle in the vial with the filter on it and you just use the syringe to refill and filter. This solution is now fit to be injected. Its still advised to hold the syringe with the trenbolone under some hot streaming water before injecting first though.

    Nasal sprays and sublingual forms are also popular, and while they too have some minor success, they are the worst way to go. It's a steroid, and with the added ester its even more lipophillic. Since the mucous membranes in the mouth and nose only let hydrophilic substances through, the rate of absorption is extremely limited. Usually to achieve this cyclodextrins are used, sugars that are lipophillic on the inside and can hold a steroid inside, but are hydrophilic on the outside, making the whole absorbable through these channels. But since fina does not have this and most of us do not possess the skills to make cyclodextrin complexes in our own kitchens, this is not a path one should consider. There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with fina. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to fina being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex , or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG after a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage, but since HCG does increase estrogen that does reinstate the use of Nolvadex or clomid as well.

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    from admin at outlaw Not mine. Tren is tren regardless of what ester is connected to it just remember that while reading about tren as acetate.

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    chef how can you say that when the actual chemical name for parabolan is trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate which is also a form of tren but this form of tren does convert into DHT so how can you say that all forms of tren are the same??? anybody have any real info on tren enanthate ???
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    Quote Originally Posted by crosby7117
    chef how can you say that when the actual chemical name for parabolan is trenbolone hexahydrobencylcarbonate which is also a form of tren but this form of tren does convert into DHT so how can you say that all forms of tren are the same??? anybody have any real info on tren enanthate???
    WTF?! Are you trying to be a dick? The into above answer the question! Trenbolone is the anabolic steriod , acetate, enanthate , hexahydrobencylcarbonate are the different esters attached the the trenbolone molecule which modifies the release pattern of the drug. Trenbolone does not convert to DHT ( it's highly androgenic already anyway so this does not matter) or estrogen tho it does have some progestinic activity. If you don't understand me you need a little more research under your belt. Good luck.

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    i've read a bunch of info about fina being harsh on the hair line and parabolan not being harsh on the hair line i understand that they have different esters but y is tren acetate hard on the hair line and tren hexahydrobencylcarbonate not hard on the hair line??? this is what i dont understand, and i didnt mean to be a "dick" i just need a positive,100% answer on this topic of tren E if it coverts to DHT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crosby7117
    i've read a bunch of info about fina being harsh on the hair line and parabolan not being harsh on the hair line i understand that they have different esters but y is tren acetate hard on the hair line and tren hexahydrobencylcarbonate not hard on the hair line??? this is what i dont understand, and i didnt mean to be a "dick" i just need a positive,100% answer on this topic of tren E if it coverts to DHT?
    IT'S all trenbolone , as i said before trenbolone is highly anadrogenic so it does not had to convert to DHT (which it does not) to cause hair loss. About hard to find and or expensive drugs like parabolan , primobolan , rHGH, IGF-1, anavar . What do you notice? There are now drugs that everyone wants not because there "all that". Parabolan does not have anything special about it.

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    Like many aas, your not going to know what it does to YOU until you try it... you could get lucky, like me, and have very few sides. I was only a little jumpy at 75mg ED, and thats it. No aggression, night sweats, acne. Incredible strenght gains, but take it slow, as your tendons wont keep up, and you'll be so strong you'll injure your tendons... i recommend 50mg ED to start, this works great with a test base, like Prop 75mg ED.

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    heres some tren info too...

    Tren and joint pain???

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    Quote Originally Posted by big k.l.g
    IT'S all trenbolone, as i said before trenbolone is highly anadrogenic so it does not had to convert to DHT (which it does not) to cause hair loss. About hard to find and or expensive drugs like parabolan, primobolan, rHGH, IGF-1, anavar. What do you notice? There are now drugs that everyone wants not because there "all that". Parabolan does not have anything special about it.
    sorry bro but i didnt understand what you wrote here "so it does not had to convert to DHT" i think you might of messed up the spelling??? but doesnt highly androgenic steriods cause male pattern baldness?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crosby7117
    sorry bro but i didnt understand what you wrote here "so it does not had to convert to DHT" i think you might of messed up the spelling??? but doesnt highly androgenic steriods cause male pattern baldness?
    Yep i'm an idiot "so it does not have to convert to DHT" would be the correct line sorry, Trenbolone can/will cause hair loss in those who are prone.

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    ok so what you are saying is that DHT isnt the only thing that causes hair loss it's also highly androgenic steroids that will not even convert into DHT will also cause hairloss??? is this what you mean???

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    Quote Originally Posted by crosby7117
    ok so what you are saying is that DHT isnt the only thing that causes hair loss it's also highly androgenic steroids that will not even convert into DHT will also cause hairloss??? is this what you mean???
    Highly anadrogenic steroids can cause hair loss, DHT is a highly androgenic steriod .

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    but tren E doesnt covert into DHT right...?? it's just highly androgenic which is what causes the hair from tren?? also ive already done highly androgenic steroids along with fina so if i was prone to hairloss would i of already seen the early stages of it with previous cycles??? also is there anywya of telling if you're prone to hairloss without taking the chance of losing some of your hair???

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    That's a good question testing to see if your prone to hairloss. Well if you ran heavy androgens before w/o problems you may be good to go. If your're worried about hair loss that much, use testosterone with finasteride or dutrasteride. ( alpha-5-redutase inhibitors)

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    is that myth true about looking at you moms dad, i heard the hairloss gene comes from your moms dad side! anyways how much would that stuff cost me?

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    The gene for MPB comes from either side of the family. I don't know what are the prices for proscar or propicia tabs. Look around.

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