01-26-2005, 07:09 AM #1
Can I call myself "the shadow" after this cycle?
I am 25, 5ft 8inch and weigh 215lbs 14%bf. I've been lifting for 3 yrs (started at 112lbs) and my diet and lifting have always been really good. I want to get bigger and more muscular. THis is my first cycle I am going to be doing:
Wk 1-12 500mg Test Enanthate (starting at 250mg for the first week)
Wk 1-10 300mg Equipoise (starting at 150mg for the first week)
Wk 1-12 Nolvadex 20mg ed
Wk 1-12 200mg Vit B6 ed
Wk 15-18 Clomid starting at 300mg ed and dropping to 50mg ed
Wk 13-18 Nolvadex starting at 40mg ed and dropping to 10mg ed
All my injectables are British Dragon....
I have the following questions:
1. How does my cycle generally look? Should I be using HGC (sp?) in the PCT or is clomid and Nolva enough?
2. I will be dividing the Test injections to 2 (250mg on Monday and 250mg on Thursday) and the Equipoise injections every Wednesday. Does this sound OK or should I just inject 250mg of test in (for example) each glute on one day a week?
3. I've heard that test can give you some serious bloating. How bad is this? Will I look like the Michelin man or something? I'd like to avoid this. Is Nolvadex enough to do that?
4. I am going to get a doc to keep an eye on me but am a little nervous about approaching him. I'd appreciate any advice on this, especially those who have dealt with UK docs.
5. Anything else I should be aware of, any general comments (about my cycle ofcourse) etc...
Many thanks guys. As this is my first cycle I am very cautious (hence starting on the low dose for the first week) but so **** excited!!!!!!....
01-26-2005, 07:17 AM #2Originally Posted by Schwarz
2. You can do the Test Twice a week, you might as well put the EQ in the same syringe as the test on one of those days and svne yourself an injection.
3. From my experience I havnt had any bloat from Test, but thats just me. Some do, some dont. Nolva will help some though.
4. As far as the Doc goes I would get a full set of blood tests done before you start and again a few weeks after you finish PCT so you can compare. He doesnt have to know why. Also get your BP checked and buy a small automatic BP tester that you can use at home. I have one and it works fine.
5. Make sure you eat sh!tloads and get plenty of protein.
Good luck !!!!
01-26-2005, 07:20 AM #3
run the test to week 13 and hit eq @ 400mg per week until week 12, line up everything again and you are good to go
01-26-2005, 07:23 AM #4
oh, just read it again... DO NOT START OFF WEEK ONE LOW DOSE!!!!! That is not a great big dose anyway at your weight and height... You will waste a week. run without ramping
01-26-2005, 07:23 AM #5Originally Posted by seanw
Cheers mate. On the doc question. What specifically should I ask him to test in my blood? I assume liver and kidney function, cholesterol...anything else.... Thanks for the BP machine suggestion....I already have one on it's way....
01-26-2005, 07:45 AM #6
Get your Test levels tested as well. By the way I didnt notice you were starting off with low doses for the first week. Dont do that, keep it the same right through it will upset the hormone levels in your blood otherwise.
01-26-2005, 07:55 AM #7
I don t think it is such a bad idea to ramp the compounds if u use juice for the first time. u never know how your body will react, so a low dose is a good choice to see how your body reacts.
u gained 100 pounds naturaly? ****, gimme your exercise and meal plan! why do u want to start a cycle if u ar gaining massively without juice?
01-26-2005, 08:02 AM #8Originally Posted by ***xxx***
01-26-2005, 09:28 AM #9
it s not a horrible advice. and u dont lose much if u try that for the first week of the first cycle, not on regualr basis pal. read thorough bro.
01-26-2005, 09:45 AM #10
cycle looks great br0. it looks like you did some research before posting. if you want to ramp it go for it. i used to pyramid all my cycles with great results. cudos
01-26-2005, 09:53 AM #11Originally Posted by ***xxx***
Cheers for all the feedback guys!!
***xxx*** yer I gained 100lbs over 3 yrs with the majorty in the first 1.5yrs but recently gains have slowed....so I wanna see if a cycle can kick start them again...
I think starting with a low dose for the first week is a good idea seeing as I haven't ever used the juice before...
Still slightly concerned about the possible bloating. Is it really that noticeable even on a person who is 200lbs+ How have you guys dealt/reduced it?
01-26-2005, 09:57 AM #12
He is using test E and EQ. Evenif he starts the first week at a low dose, and bumps it up on the second week, he won't find out how her reacted to the low does until he has already increased the dose...horrible advice.
01-26-2005, 10:25 AM #13Originally Posted by Schwarz
It seems to me you should have stayed natural longer. Now that it is too late bump up the eq to 500mgs and the test to 750 run the test to week 14 and the eq to week 12.
01-26-2005, 10:41 AM #14
U were 8 stone when u started???? crikey mate, people who aint seen u since then wud probs wonda wtf happened to u in the 3 yrs since they saw u, u got ne b4 and after pics?
01-27-2005, 03:41 AM #15Originally Posted by JamesC
Yer I still ahve people who haven't seen me since I started but the ones who do see me think I'm on roids anyway. I think the reason I've gained so much weight so quick is coz as a kid I was always ill and therefore never put much weight on....so as soon as I got my diet in check and started training and living healthy it stuck....
I must get a digital camera and post some pics (before and after my cycle). I've tried it with my camera phone but you can hardly see anything!
Cheers for all the info/suggestions.
01-27-2005, 04:44 AM #16Originally Posted by Schwarz
02-03-2005, 11:09 AM #17
i agree with gills. there is no use ramping for only one week with eq. it is so slow acting that you won't feel the effects of you first shot by the time you have upped the dosage. i took eq on my first cycle and it took almost three weeks before i felt it.
02-04-2005, 02:51 AM #18Originally Posted by zuke
And what were your general impressions from EQ?
02-04-2005, 03:28 AM #19
i am about to start another cycle with eq, i loved it. your strength gains are phenomenal. i have personal reasons for not being able to put much weight on, so instead of stacking test with it, i am using proviron . i'll let you know how it works out if you are interested.
02-04-2005, 06:05 AM #20
you can run the nolva 20 mg/ed if you want but i think 10mg/ed is good. 20mg/ed in pct
02-05-2005, 12:57 PM #21
02-07-2005, 02:41 AM #22Originally Posted by zuke
Cool thanks Zuke. Please do let me know how it goes with that stack.
02-07-2005, 06:38 AM #23Originally Posted by ***xxx***
02-07-2005, 07:18 AM #24
I think it was more health than gain concerning. if not then fire full dosage.
02-07-2005, 07:52 AM #25Associate Member
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NO, dont call yourself the shadow.
02-07-2005, 07:54 AM #26Originally Posted by Gills
02-07-2005, 08:26 AM #27Originally Posted by gota******
so what you think of the eq?
02-07-2005, 10:10 AM #28Originally Posted by bigcut77
Thanks for all the info guys. I've just been thinking about the topic of ramping. When bigcut77 and others say I won't see any reaction for 4-5 weeks on the test doesn't that mean that I won't see any anabolic or androgenic effects. But surely I should be able to tell instantly if I am allergic to it or it makes me sick. Surey it doesn't take 4-5 weeks for some of the first injection to get into your blood stream??
I have tried a cycle of pro hormones 4 months ago (the ones that converted into test and nandralone) and got no serious sides apart from a little flu like symptoms at the beggining of that cycle. Can I take that as a positive indication that injectables won't react badly with me? Just a thought...
02-07-2005, 03:16 PM #29Junior Member
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no it doesnt take 4-5 weeks to work. in my exp with enth, 1 week tops, you will feel it. stronger, hungrier, hornier, etc. each week blood levels increase so about 4-5 weeks it gets stable. in week 2, you will feel "on"
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