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    is frontload my cycle this way correct?

    week1:
    thursday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA
    sunday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA
    tuesday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA
    thursday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA

    week2:
    monday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA
    thursday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA

    week3-12:
    monday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA
    thursday - 250mg test E 200mg DECA

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    I just came across this and was wondering myself...I am writing this but cannot take credit for it. This line of reasoning was pointed out to me by a bro who wishes to now remain anonymous.

    GG and Superduty got me thinking tho so I'd thought I'd try to explain it.

    The goal of injecting steriods is to increase blood levels of testosterone much higher than can be achieved normally. One of our criteria in doing this is to keep blood levels as stable as possible throughout cycle to provide the best environment for growth and to avoid as many sides as possible. I believe many side effects are caused by the spikes and dips created by once or twice a week injections, even using long esters. A way to reduce these sides would be to use a proper half life to determine when to inject or more importantly how much to frontload with.

    Now most half lives are calculated on 1.5 x the number of carbon atoms to determine 1/2 life in days. Thats wrong! If you go to PubMed or AMJ you can look up numerous studies showing a much shorter half life(@ .7 per carbon atom)

    That difference is because esters decay at a logarithmic rate, meaning the more esterified hormone in the injection depot, the more is released. This release rate slows as the amount of esterified hormone in the depot is reduced over time.
    The general rule is about 0.7 X the number of carbons atoms in a linear ester . However when the body builder needs to keep in mind is that the majority of the esterified hormone is released, regardless of the ester, with the first 24hrs of injection because of the logarithmic rate of decay.


    What does this mean in simple terms?
    I'll useTestosterone Enthante in an 8 week cycle as an example:

    Assume a 5 day half life for enthanate based on .7 x it's carbons.
    Injecting 579mg on day one of your cycle will provide stable levels of 550 mg per week for the duration of your cycle provided you replentish 75 mg EVERY DAY.
    INJECT
    Day 1- 579- giving you 550 mg in 24 hours
    Day 2 75 giving you 550 mg
    Day 3 75 550
    Day 4 75 550
    Day 5 75 550
    Day 6 75 550
    Day 7 75 550
    Day 8 75 550
    Day 9 75 550
    Day10 75 550
    Day11 75 550
    Day12 75 550

    and so on until day 57 when you stop injections
    decay clearance is as follows
    DAY Total MG
    58 479
    59 417
    60 363
    61 316
    62 275
    63 240
    64 209
    65 182
    66 158
    67 138
    68 120
    69 104
    70 91
    71 79
    72 69
    73 60
    74 52
    75 45
    76 40
    77 34
    78 30
    79 26
    80 23
    81 20
    82 17
    83 15
    84 13
    85 11
    all the way down to day 98 (end of week 14) before the enth is totally cleared.
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    Enthanate Clearance 500 mg

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    Now let's look at 1 shot of test enthanate of 500mg taken on day one.

    It will take 8 weeks to clear(assuming a 5 day 1/2 life)

    DAY Injected 500 mg(level)

    1 500
    2 475
    3 414
    4 360
    5 313
    6 273
    7 238
    8 207
    9 180
    10 157
    11 136
    12 119
    13 103
    14 90

    and so- on until week 9 when it reaches 0.

    Enthanate injected E3D at 250 mg-levels

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    NOw lets look at Injections of Test Enthanate every 4 days with 250 mg.
    Blood levels are all over the place and create many dips and spikes.
    Not a prime anabolic environment. It takes 7 days and 3 injections to even get to 500 mg(498) adn then continues to dip and spike the 500 mark until week 4 but then the spikes are over 600 mg. This daily flucuation cannot be good for combating sides or keeping steady growth rate.
    The other way to look at it is $$$$. 500 ed levels would be more economical. You'd gain more.
    I wonder if the 2 grams a week guys would do better on 1 gram injected every day vs 3x a week.


    DAY INJECT TOTAL

    1 250 238
    2 0 207
    3 0 180
    4 250 394
    5 0 343
    6 0 299
    7 250 498
    8 0 433
    9 0 377
    10 250 566
    11 0 493
    12 0 429
    13 250 611
    14 0 532
    15 0 463
    16 250 640
    17 0 558
    18 0 485
    19 250 660
    20 0 575
    21 0 500
    22 250 673
    23 0 586
    24 0 510
    25 250 681
    26 0 593
    27 0 518
    28 250 687
    29 0 598
    30 0 521

    and so on.

    I used this web calc for these figures.

    http://powerboard.rockarfett.com/roidcalc/

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    That looks really wrong the halflives are way undercalculated.

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    I would go with
    Monday 500mg of eneth and 400mg of deca
    Thursday same as above

    then the following week i wouold go to your regular schedule
    Monday 250mg of enenth and 200mg of deca
    Thursday 250mg of enenth and 200mg of deca

    That simple...good luck...XXL
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    jbone, that one baked my noodle, dude.
    why would you not assume a 10.5 day half-life with enanthate ?

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