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03-23-2005, 09:31 AM #41Originally Posted by hikw
21 is not a good age to use gear, unless you are a competing athlete. Why? because right now your testosterone is higher than it will ever be in your life. When you use gear, you drop it to zero, and part of the gear is doing nothing but replacing what your body used to make. You are wasting the ability of your young body to produce testosterone, and believe me, when you get to be my age, you will appreciate that. Also you should train at least 3 years AFTER you learn HOW to train and eat, before using gear. Otherwise you are just using chemicals to make gains that you could have made naturally. Your gains will not last well, when you come off, if you don't know how to get them naturally. You DON'T know how to do this, or you would be more than 120 lbs.
Try this cycle:
breakfast: 8 eggs and as much meat as you can hold in one hand. Some oats with a stick of butter, and a quart of milk. The meat can be fish, fowl, or red meat... doesn't really matter if you get enough of it.
mid-morning snack: a protein shake and some fruit or veggies. Make your shakes with milk and not just water.
Lunch: a loaf of whole grain bread and as much meat as you can hold in two hands. some vegetables. Go for variety on the veggies but try to get some broccoli, cauliflower, carrots, and legumes like beans or green beans.
mid-afternoon: A protein shake or a sandwich with the meat piled on high
supper: as much meat as you can hold in two hands, some rice or potatoes, some nice vegetables, and whatever else you can shove down your throat.
evening: a snack of meat and cheese and a couple of boiled eggs. also a small serving of bread or crackers, and a nice glass of red wine. Total volume of food should be about what you can hold in two hands.
post-workout: (whenever that is) a protein shake and something sweet like a pie or cake or candy bar or several pieces of fruit. You can also nibble on something while you train, between sets, if you like.
Drink plenty of water... at least a gallon a day. Most gravies and sauces are rich in calories... use them.
THAT is your cycle. Repeat it every day. If you follow these dietary guidelines precisely, and you don't gain weight, I will kiss your ass on main street with tv cameras rolling. If you can't eat like that, don't bother ever using gear... any gains you make will be insignificant and will melt right off of you when you go off cycle. You must learn to eat!
As for gear, if you insist on using it, here is my recommendation: use whatever you like the name of, as much or as little as you want, for whatever length of time you want. It doesn't matter, because it simply won't work, whatever you use. Just pick something at random and guess at the dosage, because it doesn't matter what you do, with your starvation diet you will not gain.
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03-23-2005, 09:41 AM #42Associate Member
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wow someone took our advice not to rush into aas. good stuff!
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03-23-2005, 09:45 AM #43Originally Posted by don anabolico
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03-23-2005, 09:58 AM #44Originally Posted by The Baron
sorry for the hyjack..
eat your food biatch, lol
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03-23-2005, 10:06 AM #45
glad your going to try improving your diet
I am glad to see that your going to give "the right diet" a try. I am 5"7' and a hard gainer. I am currently at 207-210lbs. My natural boday weight is around 145lbs. These people are right about diet. This is what I have been doing to help me get to 207.
8:30 am two cups oatmeal (measured dry)
6 large whole eggs.
30 grams in protein drink
10:30- 2 penut butter and jelly sandwhiches weight gainer
12:30- 1 1/2 chicken breast
two cups of rice
1:30 lift
2:30- Carb drink (dextrose)
2:40- 75 grams of protein
3:30- 1 1/2 chicken breast and 50 grams of carbs usually rice or pasta
This is grouped together because a "supplement" that I use
4:30-5pm (depending on how i feel, sometime i have to wait until 5 because I feel so freaking sick from the food.
12 oz steak
two cups brown rice
7.pm-weight gainer
9pm- protein shake
around 10pm- one cup of cottage cheese.
I can gaurentee two things about eating like this
(unless your already huge)
1. YOU WILL GROW (especially at 120lbs)
2.You will feel sick most of the day from eating all this food.
You will probably have to work your way up to eating like this. But if you are a true hardgainer this is the type of eating that you are going to have to do. Keep in mind I am trying to gain weight right now. Even with all of these calories I will have to start eating more.
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03-23-2005, 10:35 AM #46
you might want to consider doin it for more than a month too. for you, things will take time. you need to eat like there is no tomorrow. and don't do workin out in spurts, it needs to be an all the time thing. along the same lines as SC said, you will get nothin if you have nothin to give. help yourself by doin right base work. it'll pay off in the end, trust me. good luck bro.
p.s.-stick around here and you'll figure out the english lingo too
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03-23-2005, 11:03 AM #47Junior Member
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hey man, i'm a newbie too so i can relate with u. My advice, listen to these guys, they are well more advanced than us, benefit from their experiences. That way, it will save u more time and prevent u from committing the same mistakes they did earlier in their quest...
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03-23-2005, 11:07 AM #48AR Hall of Fame
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This has to be the WORST dietary approach I've seen in some time.
Stick of butter w/oats.........
Ooooooooooooooooookay.
There is far more wrong, but I think we can stop right there.
Your best bet is to get to the diet forum for a sensible approach to quality weight gain, not heart disease.
~SC~
Originally Posted by The Baron
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03-23-2005, 11:13 AM #49Originally Posted by SwoleCat
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03-23-2005, 11:22 AM #50
execellent diet posts guys, you've said it all, but definatly wait until you gain some more naturally i would jugest you try and get up to at least 145-150 before you even think about juice
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03-23-2005, 11:29 AM #51
Hey, Swole, he's 120 lbs and 21 YO. Let him have his stick of butter with his oats! Beats the hell out of margarine! He can clean it up later, anyhow, once he gets in the habit of eating. Right now, he needs to get it in his head and in his stomach that he's gotta up his protein and calories waaaaaay higher than what he is presently consuming. He wants to juice but he is starving himself.
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03-23-2005, 11:34 AM #52
he's gonna have to have a fully functional heart though. butter'll clog them ateries up like a charm.
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03-23-2005, 03:53 PM #53New Member
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u gave me hope again .. most times i get dissapointed when its about gaining weight but who knows!! i already talked to my mom to buy checken breast, turkey mortadella, fish tona!! i cant do ur diets coz i dont know what food u r talkin about i only recgonized checken, steak, fish, and turky i even dont know what kind of butter u r talkin about!! guess ill have to post pictures in the diet forum
thanks again
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03-23-2005, 03:58 PM #54New Member
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oh and one more thing, RUballs0514
"you need to eat like there is no tomorrow"
thats gonna help alot! ill think this way. ill eat like my dog when hes hungry and i guess that ill decrease my water drinking, ive read about it.. drinking much water will reduce my appetite
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03-23-2005, 04:01 PM #55
don't reduce it too much, you'll need it. maybe look into some creatine and protein shakes too. good luck bro. balls out
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03-23-2005, 04:20 PM #56
theres no way that you are eating enough food. i said all the same things you did when i first cam here, i was 150lbs thought steroids were my only answer. little did i know. i got my diet in check now i am gaining a pound a week. avago thats a great diet but i think it might be too much food for someone who is 120lbs. do you mean 1 cup of rice uncooked?
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03-23-2005, 05:56 PM #57Originally Posted by hikw
Also, I'd be willing to bet your workouts suck. Why don't you post it up here so we can fix that too? Do you squat and deadlift?
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03-23-2005, 06:21 PM #58
I used to weigh 130 lbs. I know where you're coming from.
I know exactly the cycle you need to run.
It's called, "go to the ****ing gym every day, lift heavy weights, and stuff your face with chicken and tuna."
Go to our exercise forum and find a good routine.
Originally Posted by hikw
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03-23-2005, 06:42 PM #59Originally Posted by Dude-Man
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03-23-2005, 06:48 PM #60Originally Posted by Dude-Man
You gotta eat, sleep, and breathe the gym if you want to do it right.
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03-23-2005, 07:00 PM #61
I bet you he never comes back to the forums and juices the first chance he gets.
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03-23-2005, 07:02 PM #62Originally Posted by Vito_Gatti
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03-23-2005, 07:08 PM #63Originally Posted by AandF6969
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03-24-2005, 05:46 AM #64New Member
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In my country they say if u want more mass u need to train everyday and not less than 7 exercises/day. I know they'r wronge! Anyway thats my routine but im not done with it yet..
* day 1:
- Chest 3 ex: Barbell Bench Press 3/8, Barbell Incline Bench Press 2/8, Weighted Chest Dip 2/8
- Biceps 2 ex: Barbell Curl 3/8, Dumbbell Curl 2/8
* day2: off
* day3:
- Shoulders 3 ex: Barbell Behind Neck Press 3/8, Cable Upright Row 3/8, Dumbbell Shoulder Press 2/8
- Back 4 ex: Cable Seated Row 3/8, Lever Bent-over Row 2/8, Cable Front Pulldown 2/8), Dumbbell Shrug 3/8
* day4: off
* day5:
Leg 4 ex: Squat 3/8, Barbell Deadlift 3/8, *havn't decide yet* ,Calves: Lever Standing Calf Raise 3/8
Tri 2 ex: Barbell Lying Triceps Extensionm 3/8, Cable Pushdown (Heavy) 2/8
* day 6: off
* day 7: off
I made it. What do u think? Isn't that too much?
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03-24-2005, 05:56 AM #65Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by hikw
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03-24-2005, 08:01 AM #66
Deffinatey not too much. I would recomend more, working out 5 days a week. Also some of the body parts you have paired up you may want to reconsider. I use the 3 day rotation but try something like this:.
Day 1
Chest/tris
Day 2
Back
Day 3
Legs
Day 4
Shoulders/Bis
One week 1, Monday i start on day 1 and friday would be day 1 again. Week 2 start with day2 so friday again will be day 2. Keep rotating through like this.
Your exercise selection isnt bad. Its seems like you have the right idea. Compound movements. I love that you have dips in there. Not enough people use them. I would add pull-ups to your back day for sure. Do 3 sets of as many as you can to start your back day off.
Good luck!
Originally Posted by hikw
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03-24-2005, 10:25 AM #67Originally Posted by shango88
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03-24-2005, 10:37 AM #68
I can say this is another example of a bunch of good bro's helping a new guy out. I applaud each and every one of you. Sounds advise instead of bashing him!!!
Bro, listen to what everyone is telling you. They have taken the time to help you out. Listen and learn from them..
I know it has been said, but I will say it again. NO STEROIDS ARE GOING TO GET YOU BIG UNLESS YOU EAT!!!!! If your buddy is eating like you and gained that much weight, I hate to say it, but it's mostly water weight.
Best of luck.
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03-24-2005, 11:21 AM #69Associate Member
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is it just me or does it seem odd that someone who doesn't know the word "oatmeal" in English ("I don't know ur food") can rattle off "Cable Front Pulldown" and 20 other exercises without any misspellings? Are we being taken for a ride?
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03-24-2005, 11:29 AM #70
No, he probably read it in a book...
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03-24-2005, 11:30 AM #71Associate Member
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maybe we should donate a cookbook...
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03-24-2005, 12:16 PM #72Originally Posted by AandF6969
Hikw,
You can switch the days around if you feel like you need to. The roatation concept is the important part.
This may allow for better rest:
Day 1 back
Day 2 chest/tris
Day 3 Legs
Day 4 shoulders/bis
This will be easier on the back but might be harder on your bi's
Anyway, play around with it. Get it comfortable for YOU.
We all respond a little differently.
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03-24-2005, 06:46 PM #73New Member
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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03-24-2005, 06:58 PM #75New Member
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ive read many articles at bodybuilding.com hmm i could say that 75% of them recommend 3days/week workout.. and i like that more anyway!! why u r saying i need more days?? isnt less workout is more gain??
u know after working for 1/2 hour i loose MORE THAN 1 lbs of my weight.. i cant train for long time i loose too fast
my major problem now is eating more.. first i need to know more about ur foods. 2nd ill learn how to eat more and i will eat more and then come back after a while telling u the results
by the way this was helpful http://www.steroid.com/fp.php
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03-24-2005, 07:41 PM #76Member
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Originally Posted by hikw
uh no that diet is PURE crap IMO
you WERENT eating enough
(or atleast the right stuff)
first of all, get some protein powder, a mix of casein and whey proteins... then atleast you'll have a rough estimate of how much protein you get from it all
try getting 350g of protein a day
(thats around 7 shakes, 2 scoops (25g/scoop) if you got it all from powder)
and 400g of carbs
you'd be running around 12 cups of PLAIN QUAKER OATS oatmeal with water
you'll put on 50lbs of mass in 2 years easy if you stuck to that diet EVERY DAY
steroid wont do SH!T for you unless you eat right
and remember... eat OATMEAL
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03-24-2005, 08:06 PM #77Associate Member
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Originally Posted by jgg1221Last edited by sol; 03-24-2005 at 08:07 PM. Reason: mistake
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03-24-2005, 08:07 PM #78New Member
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03-24-2005, 08:09 PM #79Associate Member
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Originally Posted by hikw
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03-24-2005, 08:11 PM #80Originally Posted by hikw
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