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06-06-2005, 08:59 PM #1Junior Member
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lab results on tribulus(trbestan)
i took 2000mg per day for 6 weeks , at start my test was 207ng ,(200-1000ng) free test 60ng ( 50-200 ) estogen 70 ( under 120 ) .after test was 209ng, free was 58ng, and estrogen was 220 , un real !!!!!
this stuff made me gain some weight and i had a hard on all the time , but it was all estrogen relateted , it does not increase test for shit ,
dont waste your cash get the real juice .
sorry for the bad news
its funny cause you kinda feel like your on a little test but me and my doc concluded it was estrogen ,
benrock
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06-06-2005, 09:21 PM #2
very interesting.
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06-06-2005, 09:22 PM #3Originally Posted by tallyjuice
agreed
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06-06-2005, 09:25 PM #4Originally Posted by benrock
hmmm, interesting any others who have used this product have anything bad or good to say?
What brand were you using?
did you notice any gyno related symptoms?
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06-06-2005, 10:02 PM #5Member
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Glad to see someone actually posted real life tested results on a this product. It sucks that it didn't do any good though. Now I'm not going to waste my money on it.
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06-06-2005, 10:11 PM #6
I took true protein's trib a while back. The only thing I noticed was it's boner inducing effects. I was taking an AI with it at the time, so that should've kept the estrogen at bay. I won't waste my cash on trib again.
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06-06-2005, 10:24 PM #7
i think your testosterone does increase with tribulus but ''T'' increase last only 2-3hours and after that it becomes estrogen.That might explain frequent erections.So thats probably why Tribulus dosages are spaced between 3 doses,morning,lunch,dinner,needless to say you best start your weight training within 2 hours of swallowing tribulus
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06-06-2005, 10:28 PM #8
interesting find bro
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06-06-2005, 11:06 PM #9Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by benrock
On the other hand... you guys might have missed the picture with the estrogen... normally testosterone has a flat 5 to 10% conversion to estrogen rate... if your testosterone is the same... the estrogen had to come from somewhere. The male body does not directly manufacture estrogen, its always converted from testosterone. To have so much estrogen, this seems to be evidence you had a significant increase in testostosterone at some point in the process but then the estrogen has a powerful shutting down effect that can overpower the tribulis and caused you to lower you testsoterone back down to base point. Its a shame you didnt do a test weekly which would be something a real study might have considered. Also time of day of the test is something to think about as well.Last edited by Ntpadude; 06-06-2005 at 11:12 PM.
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06-06-2005, 11:18 PM #10
Is this any kind of tribulus??? shit never new trib converted in estrogen. that's not good.
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06-06-2005, 11:26 PM #11Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by jaffry20
Maybe there is something like the effect with echinachia... echiniachia can boost your immune system to fight a cold off but the boost effect only lasts about 1 week to 10 days, then the body drops back to normal. Is this what happens with spanish fly AKA tribulis?
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06-06-2005, 11:43 PM #12
Yah that's totally fuked, im definetly not stopping trib until i get some Hard proof that it's junk. Going to see my doc thursday ill ask him there.
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06-06-2005, 11:45 PM #13
Supplement Analysis: Nitric Oxide, BCAA’s, and Tribulus Terastris
read this study done on tribulus,fat loss,bcaa's and hemodilators, and other prohormones. this is a scientific study to confirm exactly his claims on tribulus making more estrogen and no testosterone at all what-so-ever..!!!no shit
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06-06-2005, 11:58 PM #14Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by dirtyvegas
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06-07-2005, 12:04 AM #15
yeah compare it to his personal test bro and then determine for yourself.. it does cause gyno from increased estrogen.and i dont see how it contradicts anything..i gotta go for now but ill be back later for this discussion.
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06-07-2005, 12:18 AM #16Anabolic Member
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estradiol is the most prominent estrogen in women (maybe men too) so how it can be an anti-estrogen?
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06-07-2005, 12:21 AM #17Anabolic Member
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I woldnt be surprised if clomid would be close to estradiol since its the prolonged estrogen rise that causes the surge in LH which makes ovulation happen. And clomid is made to avoid women in ovulation if I'm not mistaken. If some one knows better he/she can correct me please..
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06-07-2005, 12:25 AM #18Anabolic Member
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that link bout tribulus makes me really, really think twice about including it in my next PCT. Especially sinceI use it in doses like 4 G a day to get any effect..
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06-07-2005, 12:56 AM #19Banned
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Scientific
HCG increases LH/FSH output, therefore increasing testosterone levels . HOWEVER, if one uses HCG excessively, not only does the excess "surge" of testosterone get aromatized into estrogen, the pituitary becomes desensitized to the body's own LH.
Tribulus Terrestris(Puncture Vine) has been used for centuries. It has been clinically proven (Tribulus EXTRACT--Sopharma Tribestan) to increase testosterone production in men--AND, anytime you have an increase production in test, you will have a proportionate increase in estrogen/DHT metabolites. This is what your bloodwork indicated.
As someone mentioned earlier, running bloodwork throughout your Tribestan course would have been much more appropriate for all scientific intents and purposes.
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06-07-2005, 12:57 AM #20Banned
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Dirty
Dirty! Whats poppin....?
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06-07-2005, 10:49 AM #21
I wont hooker to get in on this. And benrock most people take higher dose of trib then that. When I use it for PCT I use 6grams and thats the time when you need all the test you can get.
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06-07-2005, 10:52 AM #22Originally Posted by Yes I Am
No your not..
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06-07-2005, 10:53 AM #23Originally Posted by roidattack
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06-07-2005, 11:16 AM #24
yeah, where's hooker at?
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06-07-2005, 11:53 AM #25Anabolic Member
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Nicky? Have u noticed ne sides ? Got kinda spooked since have had really weird symptoms at one point and looking back it was just as I started Tribulus.. Running to take a piss constantly etc.. and now seeing that one article indicating possible kidney realted problems....
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06-07-2005, 12:02 PM #26Originally Posted by stupidhippo
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06-07-2005, 12:41 PM #27Anabolic Member
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ok... Maybe I'm just nuts..
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06-07-2005, 01:30 PM #28
maybe if he took nolva with it to prevent the high estrogen levels, then all would have been well ?? You know, like in real PCT.
I also think its down to time of day and when he last used trib.
gonna keep an eye on this thread..........
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06-07-2005, 01:59 PM #29Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by dirtyvegas
Estradiol does not cause gyno, estrogen does, so which is it? Also how is it tongkat ali is stronger and causes more testosterone production then tribulus, why is gyno unheard of with tongkat ali use?Last edited by Ntpadude; 06-07-2005 at 02:05 PM.
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06-07-2005, 02:21 PM #30Originally Posted by dazbo
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06-07-2005, 02:34 PM #31Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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06-07-2005, 04:08 PM #32
real good post and info..i will have to rethink using trib in my pct as planned now..so many different opinions here..
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06-07-2005, 06:28 PM #33Banned
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Free Test
There is a GRAND difference between "FREE TEST" and "TOTAL TEST".
Free test is the TOTAL amount of USABLE testosterone in the body. About 98% of all your testosterone is "Bound" to SHBG--sex hormone binding globulin--and is utterly useless for muscle building purposes due to its "unavailabilty". Drugs like Proviron and Tbol INCREASE FREE TESTOSTERONE by BINDING to SHBG, increasing the availability of free testosterone in the body. Tongkat ALI ALSO increases FREE TEST LEVELS. NOW, the reason gyno CAN NOT Occur with PROVIRON or TONGKAT, is because TESTOSTERONE PRODUCTION is UNCHANGED--therefore, excess testosterone that would normally be aromatized into estrogen due to an increase in T PRODUCTION, does not exist. It is the fact that Testosterone production did not increase--ONLY FREE Test, that makes gyno impossible on Tongkat or Proviron.
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06-07-2005, 06:45 PM #34
Is The Man Who Died The Mind Of Ross ???
Same TYPING style.
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06-07-2005, 07:42 PM #35Junior Member
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if i used higher , i would grow some tits , but dont get me wrong i felt good , just showing you guys lab results before and after .
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06-08-2005, 03:02 AM #36Originally Posted by The Man Who Died
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06-08-2005, 04:10 AM #37Member
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this just indicates trib works by showing it raises estro levels due to high test levels.
Estro is needed in muscle building. No wonder trib helps so much.
Taken at night, if you can still sleep, trib would help greatly then with its test boost.
Its exactly why I took my oralTbol at night.
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08-16-2006, 02:55 AM #38Junior Member
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damn i just bought some and took 2 pills already so i cant return it. but i think i would return it. too many mixed reviews. i was only going to use 500mg/day though. im pretty much just finishing up my PCT too.
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08-16-2006, 03:01 AM #39
You cant argue with your study, if thats the results what came out of it, but i do feel in still as its benefits in pct, sounds like a valuable tool if it feels like your on test especially in pct and the added benefit of getting hard all the time.
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08-16-2006, 11:42 AM #40
i used TRIB%ST@N from bulgaria S0ph@rm@ brand... worked like a mo-fo. definitley increased my sex drive & strength & made me harder for sure. interesting findings in this post..
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