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    Clen or Ephedera post-cycle for fat burning

    What do you guys think would be safer and better for fat burning after my cycle Clen or Ephedera. What would do the least damamge to my heart?

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    i was always more partial to clen

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    I think clen is deffinitely worse for the heart

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angel of death
    I think clen is deffinitely worse for the heart
    yes it is..check the profile out...http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=148950

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    b u m p

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    Also, bear in mind that clen isnít great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etcÖ) but most studies showing clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies itís within the range of what would be double of a large human dose...) itís important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humansí beta-2 receptors may not. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy and cardiac necrosis (cell death)to some degree, in some cases. Again though, many studies showing the more significant, possibly irreversible, heart problems are with mg dosing. We humans take clen in mcg doses.

    This is the part that Vegas was talking about.

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    What's a safe post cycle cutting agent then to loose fat

    thanks for the reply....

    What's a safe cutting / fatloss agent post cycle then?
    i'm allready doing winny..

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallyjuice
    Also, bear in mind that clen isnít great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etcÖ) but most studies showing clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies itís within the range of what would be double of a large human dose...) itís important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humansí beta-2 receptors may not. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy and cardiac necrosis (cell death)to some degree, in some cases. Again though, many studies showing the more significant, possibly irreversible, heart problems are with mg dosing. We humans take clen in mcg doses.

    This is the part that Vegas was talking about.
    i have and enlarged left ventricle i dont know if it is due to clen but i was fine before i did it

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    i think if you ran a low dose of clen you would be fine when i run it i rarely go above 40 mcg and it still has effect for me

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