Clen or Ephedera post-cycle for fat burning

**lavaman** · 06-09-2005, 04:36 PM

What do you guys think would be safer and better for fat burning after my cycle Clen or Ephedera. What would do the least damamge to my heart?

**Nelstar** · 06-09-2005, 05:20 PM

i was always more partial to clen

**Angel of death** · 06-09-2005, 06:58 PM

I think clen is deffinitely worse for the heart

**dirtyvegas** · 06-09-2005, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Angel of death

I think clen is deffinitely worse for the heart

yes it is..check the profile out...http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=148950

**lavaman** · 06-09-2005, 07:57 PM

b u m p

**tallyjuice** · 06-09-2005, 07:57 PM

Also, bear in mind that clen isn’t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc…) but most studies showing clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies it’s within the range of what would be double of a large human dose...) it’s important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans’ beta-2 receptors may not. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy and cardiac necrosis (cell death)to some degree, in some cases. Again though, many studies showing the more significant, possibly irreversible, heart problems are with mg dosing. We humans take clen in mcg doses.

This is the part that Vegas was talking about.

**lavaman** · 06-09-2005, 08:00 PM

thanks for the reply....

What's a safe cutting / fatloss agent post cycle then?
i'm allready doing winny..

**swole101** · 06-10-2005, 07:42 PM

Originally Posted by tallyjuice

Also, bear in mind that clen isn’t great for your heart, and can cause some issues there (enlargement of ventricles, etc…) but most studies showing clen to cause heart problems are with animals, and even though the dosing is almost similar to what humans take (in some studies it’s within the range of what would be double of a large human dose...) it’s important to remember that animals have more beta-2 receptors and they cause certain event chains that humans’ beta-2 receptors may not. Clen causes cardiac hypertrophy and cardiac necrosis (cell death)to some degree, in some cases. Again though, many studies showing the more significant, possibly irreversible, heart problems are with mg dosing. We humans take clen in mcg doses.

This is the part that Vegas was talking about.

i have and enlarged left ventricle i dont know if it is due to clen but i was fine before i did it