Thread: Help measure Var and Cap
09-14-2005, 05:04 PM #1New Member
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Help measure Var and Cap
Im ordering my anavar very soon and I'm going to cap them. I am getting 2.25 grams for 40mg/day for 8 weeks. I've searched through the threads and got a little confused. Can i mix in creatine that i measured out and mix it with the anvar it put it into caps. How much would I need to measure out. I'm making 20mg capsules. Would it be be to go buy a scale?
09-14-2005, 05:10 PM #2
Copied these capping threads a while back. Should give you all the info you will ever need regarding capping ... eGGz
Simple Version by Coldstone:
Capping is very easy...first you need to get a capping machine...Mr T has one that is very nice...just do a search for caps...i get 1000 for like 9.99 or something like that...00 size is the way to go also...
I myself and sv-1 i know prefer the "capping machine"...it only does 24 at a time, but it makes it super fast...jut do a yahoo search and you can find em...
you wont be able to cap L-dex, arimidex , or clen ...but winny, nolva, clomid, var, d-bol, drol, DNP , even primo are all "capable"...here are the steps as easy as i can explain.
step 1- figure out what your gonna use for a filler...i like corn meal, and protein powder personally...but you can use things like corn starch, creatine, glutamine and stuff like that...
step 2- fill the bottom of a 0 or OO cap with filler and then dump it out on a scale to see how much each cap holds...ie. a 00 cap holds .39 grams of protein.
step 3- math...say your using Mr. T's capper that holds 50 caps...multiply .39 times 50 and you get 19.5 grams.
step 4- say were making nolva @ 10mg caps...so 50 caps times 10mg = 500mg...or .5 grams.
step 5- subtract your powder weight (.5g's) out of your filler weight (19.5g's) and you get 19 grams of filler, and .5 grams of powder...that mix will make you 50 caps @ 10mg.
step 6- mixing...mix the powder and filler real good in a zip lock baggie for 5-10 minutes...then heres my personal trick...get a flour, or powdered sugar sifter at Wally world and sift the powder into a dish of some sort...
step 7- fill your capper with the bottoms of the empty caps...then pour your powder over the top of them.
step 8- work the powder into the caps with the plastic "credit card thingy"...and tamper the caps full until all of the powder is inside the caps...
step 9- put the top half of the caps on, and BAM! you have 50 Nolva caps @10mg per cap.
This applies to all gear...say you want 50 winny caps @ 25mg pre cap...same thing- (.39 x's 50= 19.5) and thats your filler weight. (25 x's 50= 1250mg, or 1.25 grams) thats your powder weight. Subtract 1.25 from 19.5= 18.25...so you need 18.25 grams of protein powder and 1.25 grams fo winny powder...mix, cap and BAM!...50 winny caps @ 25mg each.
And there ya have it...once again a very easy way to make orals...have fun!
Pharmaceutical Versions by SV-1 and Anabolic Master:
I thought I'd add this bit to what is becoming the "official" capping thread. Every powder/filler you work with will have different characteristics, so this will help in figuring out how much you need for proper dosing. The pic at the bottom is an example and shows a difference in powder weights/volumes.
Capsule Filling – Powder Displacement:
A pharmacist receives a prescription for 15 mg piroxicam capsules, qty. 48.
A #1 capsule filled with piroxicam weighs 245 mg;
a capsule filled with lactose (filler) weighs 180 mg.
How much piroxicam and lactose are required for the prescription?
Prepare sufficient powder for 50 capsules (2 extra).
50 x 15 = 750 mg piroxicam.
15 = x
245 = 180
x = 11 mg
15 mg piroxicam occupies a similar volume as does 11 mg lactose.
180 mg - 11 mg = 169 mg lactose/capsule.
169 x 50 = 8.45 grams lactose required.
750mg piroxicam + 8.45 grams lactose = Total to make 50 caps @ 15mg piroxicam per cap.
Here is the dumbed down version. What SV-1 posted is merely a guideline which can be used in other situations. That's the difficulty, deciphering the important concepts and adjusting them to your unique circumstance.
Here are the steps:
1) Fill a capsule with your filler, including tampering if you plan on doing so with your 'real' capsules.
2) Determine how much filler weight occupies this specific capsule. This will give you a weight/volume ratio and you can determine the relative density of the filler.
3) Fill a capsule with your active ingredient (Anadrol , DNP etc.), including tampering if you plan on doing so with your 'real' capsules.
4) Determine how much active ingredient weight occupies this specific capsule. This will give you a weight/volume ratio and you can determine the relative density of the active ingredient.
5) Now you have to do the 'more involved' math to determine the correct ratio of filler to active ingredient.
1) Determine the dosage of active ingredient you'd like per capsule.
2) Say for example you want 10mg Dianabol capsules. You've determined your filler density to be 500 mg per capsule and your active ingredient density to be 400 mg per capsule.
Now you have to set up the two equations and then cross multiply and solve for the unknown.
10 mg Dianabol = Unknown mg Filler
400 mg Dianabol = 500 mg Filler
10 mg Dianabol x 500 mg Filler = 400 mg Dianbol x Unknown mg Filler
(10 mg Dianabol x 500 mg Filler) / 400 mg Dianbol = Unknown mg Filler
Unknown mg Filler = 12.5 mg
NOW you take the total quantity of filler that will fit in one capsule and subtract the Unknown Filler amount we just calculated.
500 mg filler - 12.5 mg = 487.5 mg filler per capsule
Now you've got all the information you need to make 10 mg Dianabol capsules. For every capsule you make you need 10 mg of Dianabol and 487.5 mg of filler, so for 50 capsules just multiply these two numbers by a factor of 50.
Accurately mixing your powder posted by SV-1:
Originally posted on AU by pharmguy24:
Mix all of the smaller powder with an (about) equal volume of the larger powder(We shall call this the 'new mix'). Then, combine an equal amount of your 'new mix' with an equal volume of the larger powder(This makes mix #2). Now, combine mix #2 with an equal amount of the larger powder. Keep going like this until it's all mixed. Then, you can put it into caps.
Why go through this extra work? Well try it at home with some pepper and salt. Try directly combining a small amount of pepper with about 8-100 times as much salt. Now look at the pepper distribution in the salt. Does it ever look really even no matter how much you mix. Unless you're really lucky, probably not. So, try the geometric dilution method and see how much better that works and think about that in terms of your powders and see which method you should really prefer.
Accurately weighing powders by SV-1:
I had another thought about this thread, and that was about the accuracy (or inaccuracy) of the scales we use. The methods looked at so far work great if you work in a compounding pharmacy and have access to extremely accurate (and extremely expensive) scales. But the scales most of us use are only accurate to +/- 100mg (including mine).
In the above example a single capsule of piroxicam was weighed and it came out to 245mg. Well if you weigh that single dose on a +/-100mg scale the result could be between 195mg-295mg (.2-.3 grams), A HUGE DIFFERENCE!
So how do we compensate for this?
Instead of weighing a single dose we'll weigh a complete batch, for a Capping Machine that's 24.
Load 24 empty caps into the capping machine, then fill all 24 caps with your powder (for this example I'll stick with piroxicam). Then turn the capping machine over and tap all the powder out and weigh it. It should weigh 5880mg (24x245mg=5880mg).
Now the +/- 100mg isn't that big of a deal because the result will be between 5830-5930mg.
Take this weight (5830-5930mg) and divide by 24.
5830/24 = 243mg
5930/24 = 247mg
So either way it's going to be VERY close to the 245mg you'd have gotten if your scale was 100% accurate.
09-15-2005, 12:16 AM #3
I made mine using the Cap M Quik and yes you will need a scale with tiny increments on it
09-15-2005, 02:13 PM #4New Member
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Would it be possible to measure out a certain amount of creatine and dump in 2.25g of var and mix and be able to get 20mg of var plus creatine in a table spoon? I would end up needing 112 table spoons of the mix for a 8 week cycle. 2 teaspoons a day.
09-15-2005, 07:21 PM #5New Member
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09-15-2005, 11:58 PM #6
I would simply follow the capping protocol above, get a scale and do the job properly
09-16-2005, 12:52 AM #7
size 00 caps........creatine or flour fills cap @ approx 625mg per cap.
.625X50 caps+31.25 grams of filler - 1 gram of var..this wil give you 20mg caps.
Thats as easy as it gets. Trust me. it'll fit in there
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