Thread: Will HCG Be Necessary?
09-28-2005, 08:44 PM #1
Will HCG Be Necessary?
I'm about to run:
Week 1: Test E @ 700mg & EQ @ 800mg
Week 2: Test E @ 600mg & EQ @ 700mg
Weeks 3-12: Test E @ 500mg & EQ @ 400mg
(Frontloading for better blood levels. Hell, even if all the supporters are wrong, it's not gonna hurt to try... either way, my last cycle of just Test E took 5 weeks to kick with a good diet @ 500mg/week but it was only a 10 week cycle!)
Would HCG 4 weeks before the cycle ends be necessary? I was thinking 2000iu @ 1000iu Mon/Thur for two weeks and then 1000iu @ 500iu Mon/Thur for the last two weeks of the cycle. Would I really need it to keep gains? I'm already going to run Nolva @ 40mg 1st two weeks, then 20mg 2nd two weeks (and maybe Clomid??) with some extra Nolva on hand in case of on-cycle gyno issues.
So I guess my questions are really just: Is HCG necessary, and if it is or isn't, should I use Clomid on PCT as well? It's not that severe a "2nd" cycle.
(1st cycle hardly counts, as it sucked and was over a year ago...)
09-28-2005, 08:48 PM #2Originally Posted by vein-x
Yep, especially with EQ (1,4-androstadiene-3-one,17b-ol) in there. Run HCG at 500ius ed (5,000ius total) in week 10.5 - 12. Start PCT about 5-7 days after your last shot since your using enath.
Last edited by Seattle Junk; 09-28-2005 at 09:14 PM.
09-28-2005, 08:51 PM #3
Two posts within 5 minutes of each other, completely contradicting themselves. This is why I STILL haven't ordered yet!
(BTW: I should add that I will be running Dbol @ 40mg/ED for the first 4 weeks of the cycle as a kickstart)
09-28-2005, 08:53 PM #4Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
09-28-2005, 08:54 PM #5Originally Posted by vein-x
I was trying to figure it out myself, and i didnt realize he said test & eq
thought he just said test(should prob remove that)
09-28-2005, 09:13 PM #6Originally Posted by vein-x
Enath and EQ are both long esters. I love test & EQ together but you should consider a jump start with a oral or prop so you get max gains through the whole 12 weeks.
Last edited by Seattle Junk; 09-28-2005 at 09:16 PM.
09-28-2005, 09:18 PM #7
09-28-2005, 09:25 PM #8Originally Posted by Seattle Junk
Any ideas on either, guys?
09-28-2005, 10:07 PM #9
1-4 Dbol @ 40mg ED
1-14 Test E @ 500-600mg EW
1-13 EQ @ 400-500mg EW
17-20 Clomid @ 100mg ED
17-20 Nolva @ 20mg ED
Test E takes about 2 weeks to clear while EQ takes about 3 weeks.
If your nuts turn to raisins you can hit up some HCG weeks 15-16 while waiting to start PCT. Or if you are prone to shrinkage some have been using HCG for the entire cycle at a low dose (250iu-500iu every 5 days to twice a week.)
If you want to frontload I found that it is simple to inject multiple times over the course of a week. For example 250mg Mon, Tues, Wed & Thur. A double dose of test the first week theoretically will get your test levels up and running quicker. I'm not entirely convinced this works but try it for your self and see. To front load EQ I'd do a double dose the first week, a dose and a half the second week.
If you can afford it and you arent afraid of running two orals in a cycle I'd add some Anavar at the end.
11-16 Anavar @ 60mg ED
Have fun, stay safe and don't forget the milk thistle, liv52 etc.
Last edited by eGGz; 09-28-2005 at 10:10 PM.
09-28-2005, 11:06 PM #10Originally Posted by eGGz
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