Critique this cycle

**wrh** · 10-11-2005, 05:18 PM

I’ve been researching steroids for about 3 months, reading e-books and searching forums and sites, and made the following cycle to be critiqued; obviously, I probably made some mistakes; all comments and suggestions welcome. I’m still going to do at least another year’s worth of research, etc… before I go on a cycle.

Daily Calories: 4000
Macronutrient Ratios (carbs-protein-fat): anywhere from 50-30-20 to 40-40-20
Weights 4x per week
Daily Multivitamin: Universal Animal Pak

Week 1
25mg Dianabol , 5 daily doses of 5mg
1 Sustanon 250
2 100mg Primo tabs
3 100mg Primo tabs
4 Off
5 100mg Primo tabs
6 Off
7 100mg Primo tabs
Week 2
30mg Oxandrolone (Anavar ), 3 daily doses of 10mg
8 200mg Testosterone cypionate
9 Off
10 100mg Primo tabs
11 Off
12 100mg Primo tabs
13 Off
14 100mg Primo tabs
Week 3
20mg Winstrol tabs every day
15 100mg Primo tabs
16 100mg Primo tabs
17 Off
18 100mg Primo tabs
19 Off
20 Off
21 100mg Primo tabs
Weeks 4-6 (PCT)
Every day:
25mg Proviron tablet
1000mg Tribulus Terrestris
1500mg Longjack/Tongkat Ali/Eurycoma Longifolia
490mg ZMA in 3 daily doses
500mg 3,6,17-androstenetrione

Repeat in 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off pattern

**eGGz** · 10-11-2005, 08:36 PM

All you need is 10-12 weeks of a single ester testosterone . (enanthate or cypionate ) Followed by a simple PCT. No need for so many compounds and all mixed up like you have them.

Something like this:

1-12 Test C or E @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly)
15-18 clomid @ 100mg ED
15-18 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

**shortie** · 10-11-2005, 08:41 PM

That made my eyes hurt, just do what eggz says, you will like it if you try it.

**wrh** · 10-12-2005, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by eGGz

All you need is 10-12 weeks of a single ester testosterone . (enanthate or cypionate ) Followed by a simple PCT. No need for so many compounds and all mixed up like you have them.

Something like this:

1-12 Test C or E @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly)
15-18 clomid @ 100mg ED
15-18 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

Thanks; that looks great for mass and strength gains, minimizing side effects, keeping gains, better than the original draft cycle. All those compounds wouldn't have been good.

Originally Posted by shortie

That made my eyes hurt, just do what eggz says, you will like it if you try it.

Yeah, I almost got a seizure looking back over it...

**SpiderRico** · 10-12-2005, 01:51 PM

good to see someone did research before jumping into shit

**Swifto** · 10-12-2005, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by eGGz

All you need is 10-12 weeks of a single ester testosterone . (enanthate or cypionate ) Followed by a simple PCT. No need for so many compounds and all mixed up like you have them.

Something like this:

1-12 Test C or E @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly)
15-18 clomid @ 100mg ED
15-18 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

I agree.

Start the Nolva the day after your last testosterone administration not week 15.

Also you could add Dbol 30mg/ED for weeks 1-4, or Tbol 50mg/ED weeks 1-4.

I did Tbol 50mg/ED weeks 1-7 of a 14 week cycle and liked it a lot.

**big_C** · 10-12-2005, 01:59 PM

That cycle made me dizzy. IMO keep it simple, Test E at 500 mg EW for 12 weeks is simple and I think better. I'd bump the d-bol up to 40 mg ED weeks 1-4, but thats just me, D-bol is my favorite oral, with T-bol a close second.

**wrh** · 10-12-2005, 06:53 PM

The cycles you recommended, several others already on the board, and the ones on the main site are good so I'm not gonna bother posting any cycles for review, at least for a long time.

**wrh** · 10-12-2005, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by big_C

That cycle made me dizzy. IMO keep it simple, Test E at 500 mg EW for 12 weeks is simple and I think better. I'd bump the d-bol up to 40 mg ED weeks 1-4, but thats just me, D-bol is my favorite oral, with T-bol a close second.

T-Bol is a definite candidate; moderate solid gains with minimal side effects.

How did your PCT compare with eggz's recommendations?

**wrh** · 10-12-2005, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by eGGz

1-12 Test C or E @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly)
15-18 clomid @ 100mg ED
15-18 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

This cycle requires about 6000mg Test Cyp, 2000mg Clomid, & 400mg Nolvadex ; is $300 a good price for this amount or should I be able to get it much cheaper?

**magicstick2003** · 10-12-2005, 09:26 PM

Originally Posted by eGGz

All you need is 10-12 weeks of a single ester testosterone . (enanthate or cypionate ) Followed by a simple PCT. No need for so many compounds and all mixed up like you have them.

Something like this:

1-12 Test C or E @ 500mg EW (inject twice weekly)
15-18 clomid @ 100mg ED
15-18 nolvadex @ 20mg ED

personally i like the test but i would do the nolva ED throughout the cycle. personaly preference though. and as for the clomid i would use the standard 300 100 50 protocol.

so 1-12 test E or C 500EW (250 E4D basically works well)
1-17 nolva 10mg ED till week 12 then bump to 20 mg <---enanth
(18) <--- if cyp

14-17 clomid<--enanth 300mg day1 100 mg days 2-11 and 50mg days 11-21
(15-18) if cyp