Thread: Need advice, 1st Cycle
11-07-2005, 01:17 PM #1
Need advice, 1st Cycle
I'm 42, 6'1 and 220. I have 17" arms, strong across the back from shooting bows in competition, small pot belly from age and setting on my ass working.
Goal is keep a couple of inches on my arms & see my abs again.
Now I have read and read and still have a few questions.
My plan is sus250 cycle for 12 weeks, 125mg twice a week.
The PCT is really the question.
I have some clomid already, but from what I have read only start it 15 to 18 days after the last of the cycle.
Should I be running Novlex (Tamoxifen Citrate) during the cycle or after?
If so then to what amount to run with the sus?
Seems I have read conflicting posts about this.
11-07-2005, 01:20 PM #2
11-09-2005, 01:40 PM #3
Thanks....I'm not familiar with A-Dex, I'm going to have to look it up.
11-09-2005, 01:43 PM #4Originally Posted by harddrive
11-09-2005, 01:44 PM #5
11-09-2005, 01:44 PM #6
Eggz you bastard, stop typin so fast-LOL!
11-09-2005, 01:47 PM #7Originally Posted by shortie
11-11-2005, 06:22 PM #8
Thanks guys....I have been doing the cardio thing, running and working the heavy bag everyday. I have dropped 20 pounds in a month, going down to 200 and going to start the cycle around Janurary.
11-28-2005, 11:58 AM #9
Last edited by harddrive; 11-28-2005 at 12:00 PM.
11-28-2005, 12:12 PM #10
If you don't have the sust250 yet I would recomend you get Test Enanthate or Test Cyponate.
If you do have sust250 then do it EOD at 1/2 CC ( 125mg) for a total weekly dose of 437.5mg. 10-12 weeks, personally I think 10 weeks is enough espically if it's your first cycle.
PCT begins 18 days after last shot....I would do 4 weeks of Nolvadex .
week 1. 60mg
week 2 and 3. 40mg
week 4. 20mg
Keep some extra Nolvadex on hand if needed ( 10mg a day should be enogugh) but I doubt you will need it at that dose of Test.
Clomid and Nolvadex
I am not sure how Clomid and Nolvadex became so separated in the minds of bodybuilders. They certainly should not be. Clomid and Nolvadex are both anti-estrogens belonging to the same group of triphenylethylene compounds. They are structurally related and specifically classified as selective estrogen receptor modulators (SERMs) with mixed agonistic and antagonistic properties. This means that in certain tissues they can block the effects of estrogen, by altering the binding capacity of the receptor, while in others they can act as actual estrogens, activating the receptor. In men, both of these drugs act as anti-estrogens in their capacity to oppose the negative feedback of estrogens on the hypothalamus and stimulate the heightened release of GnRH (Gonadotropin Releasing Hormone). LH output by the pituitary will be increased as a result, which in turn can increase the level of testosterone by the testes. Both drugs do this, but for some reason bodybuilders persist in thinking that Clomid is the only drug good at stimulating testosterone. What you will find with a little investigation however is that not only is Nolvadex useful for the same purpose, it should actually be the preferred agent of the two.
Studies conducted in the late 1970's at the University of Ghent in Belgium make clear the advantages of using Nolvadex instead of Clomid for increasing testosterone levels (1). Here, researchers looked the effects of Nolvadex and Clomid on the endocrine profiles of normal men, as well as those suffering from low sperm counts (oligospermia). For our purposes, the results of these drugs on hormonally normal men are obviously the most relevant. What was found, just in the early parts of the study, was quite enlightening. Nolvadex, used for 10 days at a dosage of 20mg daily, increased serum testosterone levels to 142% of baseline, which was on par with the effect of 150mg of Clomid daily for the same duration (the testosterone increase was slightly, but not significantly, better for Clomid). We must remember though that this is the effect of three 50mg tablets of Clomid. With the price of both a 50mg Clomid and 20mg Nolvadex typically very similar, we are already seeing a cost vs. results discrepancy forming that strongly favors the Nolvadex side.
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