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Thread: For those who never come off....
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11-14-2005, 01:14 PM #1
For those who never come off....
So if you never come off, then does that mean you don't do pct?
what do you do?
J
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11-14-2005, 01:15 PM #2
No PCT...I cruise on 250 mgs enanthate in between cycles.
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11-14-2005, 01:19 PM #3AR-Elite Hall of Famer
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You could maybe say that people do "on cycle therapy," as lame as that sounds. During the course of hrt you may run into cholesterol issues dictating whether you incorporated serms/ai's or specifics meds into the equation. also, hcg use when your marbles need the kickstart back to normal...things like this. but no, not pct is involved
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11-14-2005, 01:24 PM #4Originally Posted by Pinnacle
So lets say you are doing a 20 weeker...... at the end of the 20 weeks you just cruise on 250? for how long
Thaks
Big J
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11-14-2005, 01:26 PM #5Originally Posted by 956Vette
Thanks 959vette, hey do you have a vette?
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11-14-2005, 01:28 PM #6Originally Posted by GetnSwole
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11-14-2005, 01:32 PM #7Originally Posted by Pinnacle
thanks man, as always very helpful.
Big J
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11-14-2005, 01:35 PM #8Originally Posted by 956Vette
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11-14-2005, 01:37 PM #9
What do you think would be the lesser evil.
On for 20 weeks off for 6 weeks including PCT.
Or on for 20 weeks...cruise for 12 weeks @ 250mg
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11-14-2005, 01:44 PM #10Originally Posted by bigtraps
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11-14-2005, 01:46 PM #11Originally Posted by bigtraps
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11-14-2005, 01:57 PM #12Originally Posted by Pinnacle
I'm 28 - my cycles are allways 20 weeks - no less. I only took 6 weeks off after a 5 month cycle on this last one - had blood work done, my test level was 420 (normal being 240-950)........not sure what I'm trying to say...other than I am just trying to be as safe as I can with being on as much as possible.
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11-14-2005, 02:39 PM #13Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by BUYLONGTERM
I hear what you say... sometimes fear of that dredded PCT and the associated clinical depression that comes from low testosterone levels , bad sex drive, etc keeps you on.
Well I say I did 9 months of deca and test at rather high levels... lets say at 600 mg deca and over gram of test, no a-dex or femera, very minimal use of nolva (and no gyno issues at all, I must be resistent to estrogen in that area), the sex drive got really bad on the 3rd month on, so I started tongkat ali and been on since and also continued the deca another 5 months. Well lets say the balls grew back and the sex drive returned on the tongkat although the steroid doses remained the same, but at the 5th month on, I noticed a significant "burn off" of body fat. I dropped 10 lbs in spite of 4000 calarie diet but the muscles stayed the same, I think the roids had an effect of burning fat until nice set of abs came out. I think the fat burning effect at 5th month and after gives you the feeling you are not gaining. Ironically since I have been off and went thru PCT, I have not declined any more, my appetite has kicked in in a very big way, I am hungrier then ever in the last 3 years, and I remain on tongkat ali as the only thing I am continuing to do.
I think 5 months on daily doses of tongkat I found my PCT this time was a total piece of cake. I never encountered a decline in sex drive, although 1.5 weeks after my last testosterone shot which was 3 weeks after my last deca shot, my sex drive is fantastic. I am ready to go every single day, sex was never more enjoyable and biggest cum loads of my life. My suggestion, dont be afraid of PCT and getting off cycle. If I could do 9 months of 600 mg a week deca and sail thru PCT, anyone can. Just do it intellegently, meaning, do your clomid correctly. For me clomid is ONLY 50 mg ALL DOSES from day one for 15 days, tongkat ali started before cycle's end and continued past PCT, I plan to continue tongkat until New Year's. Also my latest blood test results: total cholesterol - 171, HDL - 47 triglicerides - 182. I think this may be due to my lack of anti-estrogens during cycle. Only bad thing so far is I am broken out with acne right now like never before. Some on legs, face, chest, back, arms and this is with daily showers with dawn. This PCT is a bad one for the acne!!
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11-14-2005, 02:48 PM #14
Pinnacle so your saying you only stay on because you need to? Does that mean your regualr blood level will never be the same so you must remain on something like test e all year round?
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11-14-2005, 02:56 PM #15Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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11-14-2005, 04:14 PM #16Member
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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11-14-2005, 07:31 PM #17Originally Posted by j martini
Certainly the Test helps.I retain my strength gains and my sex drive is never low.Actually,my sex drive is better on the low dose cruise.
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11-15-2005, 08:08 AM #18Member
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
On a high dose my sex drive skyrockets the first few weeks and then goes down, you would think more test equals a higher sex drive but that doesnt seem to be the case for some reason.
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