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Thread: Deca vs. IGF-1 R3
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12-18-2005, 09:26 PM #1Associate Member
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Deca vs. IGF-1 R3
okay, i've never used before.... I've been training for 6 years and am mostly looking for functional strength/power for sports performance. I'm not interested in getting "huge" or gaining a ton of weight as it will negatively affect my performance - but rather a small boost during my strength/power phase as I prepare for the competitive season for my first go was looking into either a 7-week cycle of deca or IGF-1. Which do you think would be more effective? Both in strength gains, as well as maintaining those gains? Is IGF worth the money.... Deca - $200 for 7 weeks...... IGF - $200 for 10 days (right?). any input would be greatly appreciated.
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12-18-2005, 09:28 PM #2Member
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look into anavar
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12-18-2005, 09:30 PM #3
dont do deca without test, it shuts you down hard a fast (i.e. deca dick) 7 weeks of deca is not good, it needs to be run at least 10 weeks too. IGF is typically more for advanced users. Look into testosterone for your first cycle
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12-18-2005, 10:06 PM #4Associate Member
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Anavar seems a bit too expensive for me... testosterone enthanthate looks good - however i'm a little afraid of the gynocomastia/water retention effects... so would it be wise to come off with something like clomid or proviron ?
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12-18-2005, 10:11 PM #5
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12-18-2005, 10:20 PM #6Originally Posted by kizza234
~Pinnacle~
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12-18-2005, 10:35 PM #7Associate Member
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both at the same time as the test? Any post cycle therapy with this?
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12-18-2005, 10:44 PM #8Originally Posted by kizza234
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12-18-2005, 10:56 PM #9Associate Member
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So i can take proviron while on the cycle, as well as nolva only if and while gyno problems occur. Then post is both nolva and proviron... what about HCG instead of clomid?
thanks for all the input... I've researched myself but the combinations become very confusing - and being my first time I have a lot of concerns
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12-18-2005, 11:32 PM #10Originally Posted by kizza234
Whoa. Take nolvadex and proviron to stop estrogen in it's track. They use two different pathways but between the two of em you control the bloat. Estrogen causes the bloat (think PMS). I love HCG, I don't see any need for it with clomid and nolvdex pct.
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12-19-2005, 03:17 AM #11Associate Member
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Originally Posted by NYC BIG MIKE
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12-19-2005, 04:13 AM #12
If you are looking for a short strength/power gaining cycle. Look into a Prop/Halo cycle. Minimal (if any) water gains, cheaper drugs, short/effective cycle.
Cheque drops in higher doses prior to compitition can also be very effective.
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12-19-2005, 04:39 AM #13Junior Member
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12-19-2005, 02:08 PM #14Associate Member
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Originally Posted by bigJJ
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12-19-2005, 02:33 PM #15
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12-19-2005, 02:35 PM #16Originally Posted by kizza234
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Bro if your lookinf for real strength there is onlt 1 compound taht coms to mine. TREN . If you do a cycle of test prop and tren your strength will go throw the roof.
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12-19-2005, 04:55 PM #18
Tren does everything that i could ask for. Just run a strong PCT. IT WILL shut you down.
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12-19-2005, 08:16 PM #19Originally Posted by powerliftmike
In hard core gyms you find both bodybuilders and strength athletes. It's not too hard to get pretty much anything you want.
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12-19-2005, 08:46 PM #20Associate Member
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ok, so i'm getting a lot of different opinions here... now i'm confused
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12-19-2005, 09:10 PM #21
Do you face possible drug testing in whatever sport you do?
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12-22-2005, 06:08 PM #22Associate Member
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Originally Posted by spud
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12-22-2005, 09:31 PM #23
Turanibol + test. End of thread.
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12-22-2005, 10:34 PM #24
How old are you?
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12-23-2005, 01:22 PM #25Associate Member
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Originally Posted by JohnnyB
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12-23-2005, 01:45 PM #26Associate Member
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ok, well I want to keep it as simple as possible, and from what i've been reading a first-timer can get great gains off of test alone. so....
8-10 weeks
test e (500 mg/wk)
PCT
Clomi/Tamox combo - AAR
Clen /Taurine combo - AAR
now here is my question... the tamox (nolva) should be taken regularly throughout the cycle and PCT regardless of any signs of gyno? or should I wait and only use it IF i feel signs. Under the Novice Cycle I on this site it just says to keep it on hand in case you feel signs of gyno so I didn't know which one.
thanks in advance guys
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