10-14-2001, 10:47 PM #1
After Cycle Gain Keepers Formula?
I just finnished my cycle of 750 sus and 400 deca for 10 weeks i have gained 18 lbs. And I wanna keep my mass and my sex drive. Do you guys got tips on cutting up after cycle and keeping gians or any other tips like supplement? thanks
10-14-2001, 11:36 PM #2Junior Member
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To hold on to your size, I would start to take clomid 2wks. after your last injection. I always go 50mg. everyday for a week then 25mg. everyday after. You`ll lose a little weight but I just keep telling myself it is the water retention. I also slow down on the carbs., but keep the calories up. I don`t know what your definition is on eating clean, but if you want to get cut afterwards that is what you probably want to do. I know when I`m on, I eat everything I can get my hands on. Peace
10-14-2001, 11:39 PM #3
10-14-2001, 11:45 PM #4
Food for keeping gains. Cardio for cutting.
10-15-2001, 12:04 AM #5
I READ THIS FROM ANOTHER SITE. WHAT DO U GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS ARTICLE?
The Gainskeeper Formula
The inevitable problem that all athletes face when coming off of a cycle of androgenic anabolic steroids is keeping the gains they've worked so hard to attain. Many experts have spent a great deal of time addressing this situation and attempting to find a solution. After a great deal of research and working with bodybuilders, I feel I have come up with the most effective solution to date. By examining other's techniques and results I have been able to determine what is most likely to work for the average bodybuilder using steroids. I am by no means saying this is the be all to end all of recovery formula's or that I am an expert in the medical field. I am simply offering an effective solution to the most common problem all athlete's experience after a cycle.
What needs to be recognized is that there is not one or two problems that need to be addressed, but several, which all act synergistically or together. By solving all of these problems together, the chances of increased performance are greatly increased in your favor. The key is all in the timing of the execution. The human body is a very complex mechanism and when the timing is right, maintaining the increase in muscle mass is easy.
The first problem is to restore the hypothalamohypophysial testicular axis to normal after having been suppressed from the exogenous testosterone intake. Those athletes who use the weaker compounds that have little effect on the endogenous levels of testosterone can use this formula as well to further increase their gains. The actual actions by which we will use to raise endogenous testosterone production are beyond the scope of this report, but can be found in most University biology text books or by simply reading a copy of the World Anabolic Review. These will give you a better understanding of what we are attempting to do here.
The second major problem that the athlete will face is a substantial increase the bodies own endogenous level of cortisone. These levels are extremely high when taking steroids, yet remain deactivated while on the juice as the receptors are blocked by the steroid molecules. This is what gives steroids their anti-catabolic effect. However, when the intake of steroids ceases, the receptors are suddenly freed and the unusually high levels of cortisone are free to break down muscle tissue. Thus, the high levels of cortisol must be reduced to normal levels in a very short time. Since we all know that creatine monohydrate is very effective in maintaining strength and creatine phosphate stores, it is highly recommended that you maintain a high dose of 30 grams per day for at least the duration of this formula.
Assuming you are coming off of an eight or ten week cycle, you should have started tapering the doses down in the last two or three weeks. This allows the body to return to normal levels much more evenly. Let's say that the start of each week is Monday. On the Monday of the seventh week in an eight week cycle, begin taking 25mg a day of mesterolone, otherwise known as Proviron . Proviron is a synthetic androgen that also acts as an anti-aromatase. When the intake of steroids ceases, the bodies own androgen levels are very low, yet the estrogen levels are still very high. This shifts the androgen to estrogen ratio in favor of the estrogens spelling bad news for the user. Proviron keeps the ratio in favor of the androgens without effecting the natural production of testosterone, thereby adding to spermatogenisis. This double action drug begins to reduce the amount of estrogen in the body by preventing the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen so that possible gyno, water retention and female pattern fat distribution may be avoided. It will also give the body a much harder look.
We also wish to deal with the increased cortisone levels at this time so that we may begin to bring them down before the end of the cycle. This can be accomplished by the intake of 800mg of Phosphatidylersine per day. There has been a great deal of controversy as to whether or not this supplement actually works. I feel that it has little effect on normal levels of cortisol in the body, but will work very well on reducing elevated levels after the discontinuance of steroids. It should be noted that the use of aminoglutethimide or Cytadren is NOT recommended. Cytadren may be anti-estrogenic, but it also inhibits the bodies own production of androgens, which is exactly what we don't want at this time. There are also complex negative-feedback mechanisms which must be dealt with individually.
The eighth week of the cycle is when critical timing begins. This is the last week of the intake of the steroids and when the body realizes what is starting to happen. On the Monday of this week, increase the dosage of the Proviron to 50mg a day. At this time, we also want to introduce the use of a little known drug by the name of Cyclofenil . Cyclofenil is an estrogen that act's as an anti-estrogen and as stimulant for the body to produce more testosterone. Cyclofenil acts in a very similar manner to Nolvadex in that it does not block the aromatization of testosterone, but occupies the estrogen receptors in the body so that the stronger estrogens cannot become active. Cyclofenil should be taken once a day at a dose of 100mg. We also want to begin to prepare the blood for the following week. We have to make sure the blood has enough raw material in the way of steroid intermediates for the testes to increase testosterone production. To do this, we start taking 250mg of DHEA a day, starting on the Friday of week 8.
The ninth week is the most critical time of the cycle. This is where things get interesting. On the Monday, up the dosage of Cyclofenil to 200mg a day, but keep the Proviron and DHEA at their respective doses. On the Thursday we want to inject 5000 IU's of HCG to stimulate the Leydig's cells to produce more testosterone. Any more than this will overload the system and convert more to estrogen. On the Friday we want to start the intake of clomiphene citrate or Clomid. Clomid stimulates the entire hypo testicular axis to produce more test and at a faster rate. We want to start with 100mg a day.
In the tenth week of our formula we continue with all dosages at their respective levels, but we drop the dose of Clomid to 50mg a day on the Wednesday. By now the testosterone levels in your body should be way up there and you will feel like you've just hit your second wind. Surges in strength are not uncommon here.
The eleventh week is where we start to wind everything down. On the Monday we discontinue the use of the Clomid and the DHEA. We also reduce the dose of Proviron to 25mg a day and the cyclofenil to 100mg a day. We stop taking the cyclofenil altogether on Friday. Testosterone levels should be very high, estrogen levels should be fairly low, and cortisol levels will back to normal levels. On the Sunday, the last day of the cycle, stop taking everything.
Now would be the time to start a cycle of clenbuterol hydrochloride if you so wanted. Starting at a dose of 20mcg per day and working up to 80-120mcg, depending on how much you feel you can take in increments of 20mcg per day. You will know your limit when the side effects become unbearable, mostly the shaking and uneasiness. Back off that dose by 20mcg a day and stay with this dose in a two-on, two-off cycle for 3-6 weeks.
During this time it is important to modify both our training and diet. Since you will need to reduce your training capacity significantly and give you body time to readjust itself, I think a simple whole body powerlifting routine is ideal at this time. It will prevent a loss of strength from the cycle, even increase it, and not allow you to go into a state of overtraining. Stick to the core compound movements and limit the number of exercises you perform to 12 or less. This will challenge you to hit as many body parts as possible with only a few exercises. Keep the sets low and heavy. This routine also has the benefit of boosting natural testosterone production from the heavy squats, deadlifts and presses. Since we are all advanced athletes, we can look back to our diet journals and determine what our new maintenance calorie level should be. Be sure to use your lean body mass and not your total mass when determining your new maintenance level. You might want to add additional protein calories now, about 200-300 extra, but be sure you start with at least 1.5 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight before you add any.
Some notes to keep in mind when using this formula. Always take a good vitamin and mineral pack ( this is a given at all times ) and it is a good idea to up your intake of anti-oxidants in general, and of vitamin C to 3 grams per day in divided doses. It is a good idea to divide the intake of all substances up into equal doses in the day to ensure even levels in the blood and to take them all with fluid after meals. And be sure to drink one hell of a lot of distilled water during this entire period as your kidneys and liver will be doing overtime for the duration as well.
That is the whole formula. It is not cheap, nor is it taken lightly. But those who have invested the time and energy in making the gains will realize that maintaining them is just as important. Train hard, educate yourself, and best of luck.
GainsKeeper's Formula (week by week)
Week Proviron Phosphatidylersine Cyclofenil DHEA HCG Clomid
7 25 mg/day 800 mg/day
8 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 100 mg/day 250 mg/day
9 (Monday) 50 mg/day 800 mg/day 200 mg/day 250 mg/day
9 (Thursday) " " " " 5000 IU
9 (Friday) " " " " 100 mg/day
10 (Monday) " " " " "
10 (Wednesday) " " " " 50 mg/day
11 (Monday) 25 mg/day " 100 mg/day
11 (Friday) 25 mg/day "
10-15-2001, 11:29 AM #6CYCLEON Guest
not neccessary - PLEASE - read our section in hot topics about clomid use.
10-15-2001, 11:45 AM #7
10-15-2001, 01:00 PM #8CYCLEON Guest
BA - you have actually had some use out of HMB? never did squat for me, hows it helped? im interested?
10-15-2001, 01:48 PM #9
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