Testicular Atrophy

[Grappler13]

I'm on my first cycle: 30mg dbol ed for 28 days, 500mg test-e for ten weeks, lion nolva @ 20mg/ed and will use nolva and Lion clomid for pct. How much shrinkage can I expect during the cycle? I read something the other night that mentioned "dried grapes" and that scared the shit out of me. I'm only at day 15 and all seems well but this is really only 1/5 of my cycle. I know everyone is different and my cycle is light but what kind of nut shrinkage can I expect.

Also, I think I read somewhere that nolva seems to keep atrophy at bay to some extent? Any truth to that?

[Swifto]

I'm on my first cycle: 30mg dbol ed for 28 days, 500mg test-e for ten weeks, lion nolva @ 20mg/ed and will use nolva and Lion clomid for pct. How much shrinkage can I expect during the cycle? I read something the other night that mentioned "dried grapes" and that scared the shit out of me. I'm only at day 15 and all seems well but this is really only 1/5 of my cycle. I know everyone is different and my cycle is light but what kind of nut shrinkage can I expect.

Also, I think I read somewhere that nolva seems to keep atrophy at bay to some extent? Any truth to that?

Nolva will raise serum levels of LH and FSH, it has been known to do this in infertile men, but, I'm not certain about it being effective whilst "on".

If your that worried, run HCG throughout your cycle at 1000ius/wk, splitting the dosages. It will help reduce/prevent testosterone inibition.

If your dont run HCG, you will more than likely suffer some sort of testicular shrinkage. Some dont and are lucky, I'm one of them. I experienced no shrinkage with my Tbol/Test first cycle.

[Grappler13]

Nolva will raise serum levels of LH and FSH, it has been known to do this in infertile men, but, I'm not certain about it being effective whilst "on".

If your that worried, run HCG throughout your cycle at 1000ius/wk, splitting the dosages. It will help reduce/prevent testosterone inibition.

If your dont run HCG, you will more than likely suffer some sort of testicular shrinkage. Some dont and are lucky, I'm one of them. I experienced no shrinkage with my Tbol/Test first cycle.

Thanks Swifto. Come-on bros, there's lots of experience here. Help a newbie out. Is 5000mg test-e over ten weeks going to turn my balls into peas?

[powerliftmike]

Is 5000mg test-e over ten weeks going to turn my balls into peas?

I think you mean 500mg, but it would be very unlikely. Gonadal shrinkage would increase if you stacked deca or tren in there, that's where most of the "raisin nuts" stories come from. If you were shooting hCG during the cycle this wouldnt even happen then.

[Grappler13]

I think you mean 500mg, but it would be very unlikely. Gonadal shrinkage would increase if you stacked deca or tren in there, that's where most of the "raisin nuts" stories come from. If you were shooting hCG during the cycle this wouldnt even happen then.

250mg twice a week for ten weeks. Raisin nuts sounds creeeeeeeeeeeepy.
Does lion sell HGC?

[BUYLONGTERM]

Everyone is different. I can do up to 2g of Test and barely get any shrinkage.. you won't know till you find out, but IMO 10 weeks you won't see that much if any at all.....

[BeerBaron]

Mine shrink at the site of test.

[SS1476]

Mine waited until wk 6-7 before
they started to shrink. Thats when
I added my HCG for the rest of
the cycle.

[Booz]

yup youv only gotta mention test and my balls do an about turn!!!

[stupidhippo]

Im with u beerbaron

T: Rex Banner..

[Grappler13]

Is it gradual or do they just pack up and go (the balls that is)? Is HGC easy to come by? Honestly, I've not done a great deal of research on that particular compound but don;t mind an extra poke to keep 'em swinging!

[zomzom]

Are you sure that HCG through a 12/14 weeks cycle is safe?

at 500iu weeks?

2x 500iu weeks spaced of five days?

1000iu weeks?

[SS1476]

Is it gradual or do they just pack up and go (the balls that is)? Is HGC easy to come by? Honestly, I've not done a great deal of research on that particular compound but don;t mind an extra poke to keep 'em swinging!

They shrink bro. this sounds nuts...

But monitor them, and you'll notice
them decrease in size over time if u
prone to it more than others. I dont
think they'll pack up, but the size of
almonds is not a good thing either..IMO

[needmorestrength]

yup youv only gotta mention test and my balls do an about turn!!!

LOL same here dude! What do you do to combat it?

[Grappler13]

Anyone else have any thoughts. Today is day 28 and the boys seem fine thus far.

[goalseeker]

LOL same here dude! What do you do to combat it?

sorry dude, but just looking at your avatar makes my nuts shrink..

[mkrulic]

I run 6 week cycles w/ 6 weeks off and no pct and have never had a problem w/ shrinkage. here's what I've been running:
test - 800mg/week
tren - 500mg/week
deca - 300mg/week

[goalseeker]

I run 6 week cycles w/ 6 weeks off and no pct and have never had a problem w/ shrinkage. here's what I've been running:
test - 800mg/week
tren - 500mg/week
deca - 300mg/week

Id say thats cuz its such a small amount of deca compared to the others, no?

[Swifto]

I run 6 week cycles w/ 6 weeks off and no pct and have never had a problem w/ shrinkage. here's what I've been running:
test - 800mg/week
tren - 500mg/week
deca - 300mg/week

Well, I'm afraid your natural testosterone production has been inhibited. If one single 100mg shot of Deca will shut down ones natural testosterone levels , taking 2-3 weeks to return to basline, Tren being 5x more suppressive, well...You do the maths.

[DWayne]

I run 6 week cycles w/ 6 weeks off and no pct and have never had a problem w/ shrinkage. here's what I've been running:
test - 800mg/week
tren - 500mg/week
deca - 300mg/week

how long have u been doing cycles like this??