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11-07-2006, 11:16 PM #1Senior Member
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dht blockers
when u use something like armidex or letro, do u deminish the effectiveness of a dht based gear like eq, var, etc.?
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11-07-2006, 11:18 PM #2Senior Member
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it sorta sounds like they would cancel each other or at least compromise the potential of the compound
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11-07-2006, 11:20 PM #3VET Retired
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Adex and letro are not DHT blockers.
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11-07-2006, 11:21 PM #4
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11-07-2006, 11:41 PM #5Senior Member
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well the description of it is that it blocks 5 alpha reductase which is I think involved with dht based gear. I could be wrong in my lamen thoughts but please explain
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11-07-2006, 11:53 PM #7~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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Originally Posted by CaptainDominate
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11-08-2006, 05:49 AM #8Senior Member
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DHT derivatives ARE DHT. The exhibit almost every characteristic of normal DHT.
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11-08-2006, 06:27 AM #9Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by skipp
Primo, winny, var etc acts diffrently than DHT, in a way, that they are not converted to androstanediol(DHT). Calling a steroid a DHT-derivativ has almost nothing to do with how thay act in the body(maybe with the exeption of Proviron , which is not anabolic either). DHT has very little anabolic activity in muscle tissue.
DHT is the result of testosterone interacting with the 5alpha-reductase enzyme. The only real source of DHT is testosterone.Last edited by vitor; 11-08-2006 at 06:33 AM.
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11-08-2006, 06:55 AM #10~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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Originally Posted by vitor
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11-08-2006, 07:41 AM #11Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Kale
Non of the other derivatives(steroids )really convert to, or act like DHT.
If you do a test free cycle your testosterone levels will drop ofcourse, right along with your DHT levels. If you use testosterone, dutasteride or proscar would be a good idea.
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11-08-2006, 08:00 AM #12~ Vet~ I like Thai Girls
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Originally Posted by vitor
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11-08-2006, 09:33 AM #13Senior Member
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ok so I'm still confused. if say var or tren or eq do not turn into dht then y take a 5 alpha reductase thingamajig so that ur hair doesn't fall out? its dht that makes ur hair fall out and those compounds are notorious with making ur hair fallout
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11-08-2006, 09:47 AM #14Originally Posted by vitor
i agree to an extent,many of them dont convert to dht,but there side effects are very similar.im not sure if things like tren affect the prostate but it sure can affect your hairline in the way dht can
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11-08-2006, 09:52 AM #15
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11-08-2006, 10:04 AM #16
There's a big confusion here.
The only AAS that converts to DHT is test, in this we all agree. Other steroids have affinity for the 5ar enzyme like nandrolone (converting to DHN, actually less androgenic than nandrolone. This is why it is a bad idea to block 5ar with finasteride while on deca ) or boldenone aka equipoise (this one with very low affinity but converting to DHB).
All the other steroids mentioned, like proviron , var, primo, winny, are DHT derivates thus having the POTENTIAL to generate dht related sides, depending on each individual (body hair growth, hair loss, prostate enlargement, acne, etc...).
With tren it is a different story. Being a 19nor it has nothing to do with dht, but being such a strong androgen of course it is prone to produce androgenic sides.
Hope this could help you.
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ok so I'm still confused. if say var or tren or eq do not turn into dht then y take a 5 alpha reductase thingamajig so that ur hair doesn't fall out?
Vitor hit it on the head...
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11-08-2006, 10:10 AM #18
Of couse that if you are taking a dht derivate it is useless to use proscar, because if the steroid already has a dht like structure it is useless to use something that prevents the steroid from transforming to its dht like structure.
A little repetitive, but understandable i think.
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11-08-2006, 10:11 AM #19Originally Posted by hugovsilva
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11-08-2006, 11:11 AM #20Anabolic Member
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DHT is an androgen that is roughly 4-times stronger than testosterone is. DHT-related sides=androgen related sides.
All steroids are androgenic , therfor all of them will trigger hairloss, acne, body-hair-growth to a certain extent if youre prone.
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11-08-2006, 11:11 AM #21Originally Posted by caban
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EQ is a test-derivative... not a dht-derivative.
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What are you really asking?
Do AIs affect the 'potency' of compounds with which they are simulatenously used with?
Or do DHT-'blockers'?
Originally Posted by BajanBastard
Originally Posted by caban
AIs interact with the aromatase enzyme.
Originally Posted by caban
5-alpha-r reduces testosterone to dht.
DHT-based compounds are (as the name'd suggest) derived from DHT itself. 5-alpha doesn't factor in. You can't reduce DHT to DHT...
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Tren is a 19-nor... not dht-derived.
EQ is test derived.. not dht-derived.
It is structurally impossible for either to convert to dht.
Get to reading buddy..It's in your best interest
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Originally Posted by Kale
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11-08-2006, 12:18 PM #23Senior Member
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Originally Posted by vitor
If I'm wrong, then why will proviron, masteron, and winny (if you're prone to MPB) speed up the process? Because they're close enough to DHT, aka DHT derivative.
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11-08-2006, 12:34 PM #24Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by skipp
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Originally Posted by vitor
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11-08-2006, 06:23 PM #26Senior Member
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ok so I messed it up but I still don't get how u can take something orally that helps keep ur hair that doesn't counteract the drug I'm taking to make me lose my hair. explain it to me like I'm stupid or just a woman
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I honestly don't understand the question.
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11-08-2006, 08:19 PM #29Originally Posted by caban
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Originally Posted by caban
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that was it, thanks for the help guys. I understand and apreciate the patience. good looks bros
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