First Cycle in few weeks... is this good?

[ma_fighter]

whats the difference if i shut it down now or shut it down 10 years from now its gonna be shut down either way right? i mean am i right or wrong about that? someone let me know

RIGHT NOW your endocrine system is more sensitive, if you fu*k around with it at a young age theres a HIGH risk of the shut down being PERMANENT.

If you do a cycle later, after the age of 25-26, at least, when your HPTA has stabilized and fully developed, theres a much much smaller chance that the shut down will be permanent, it'll most likely be temporary and you'll bounce back again given that you do everything as you should.

AAS is much more destructive when you're young!

This is one of the reasons why you really, really really should wait.
You're not dumb enough to play russian roulette, are you? So why do it with your endocrine system?

[Bloodhoun116]

RIGHT NOW your endocrine system is more sensitive, if you fu*k around with it at a young age theres a HIGH risk of the shut down being PERMANENT.

If you do a cycle later, after the age of 25-26, at least, when your HPTA has stabilized and fully developed, theres a much much smaller chance that the shut down will be permanent, it'll most likely be temporary and you'll bounce back again given that you do everything as you should.

AAS is much more destructive when you're young!

This is one of the reasons why you really, really really should wait.
You're not dumb enough to play russian roulette, are you? So why do it with your endocrine system?

this is what ive got so far naturally. i havent been able to lift in like 5 months because of school and work and my car recently broke down so i cant go to the gym like i could on a regular basis. but these are some pics. im an ectomorph and when i started lifting i was aroubd 150 at 6'1 and im the aame height now but im sitting at around and i cant gain anymore weight. so this is why im turning to AAS. take a look and see what im working with

[Bloodhoun116]

This guys physique is nice, and he didn't use AAS he used prohormones, are those just as bad as AAS or better or worse. Let me know. He says hes gained 10 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks and shredded 3 lbs of body fat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42T50...ature=youtu.be

[ma_fighter]

PH's are just as bad as any oral steroid . They will shut you down, they will tax your liver, they are NOT worth it.

If you cant hit the gym, then AAS or PH's will not help you to grow either!


Things you should look into are:

#1 Eating more! 8 times a day
#2 Squeezing in as much gym-time as you can, and make that time count. HIT-training 2x a week will have you growing again.
#3 If there's absolutely no way that you can get to a gym, then make do with what you have.
. *Do weighted push ups (Stuff a backpack full of heavy things, make sure they dont wiggle around. Also make sure that the weight is as high up as possible) This will not make you huge, but it'll help till you can get to a gym again. Pecs/Triceps
. *Do weighted Pull ups - There are tons of places where you can do pull ups, when you can do 10 controlled ones in a row, increase the weight. Lats/Biceps
. *Gymbag Curls/Lat delts etc. - Fill a gymbag or similar with heavy things, rocks, stuff made from iron, bottles with wet sand etc, then use this to do whatever exercises you can think of! Biceps/Delts/Whatever
. *Dips/Weighted Dips - Excellent Triceps exercise
. *One legged Squats - Good way to work on your Quads if you cant add more weight.

Use your imagination, there are many ways to train (and grow) without going to a gym.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3MTqRWPiZU

Forget about AAS, or PH's, there is no shortcut.
If your DIET and TRAINING is not up to par, and judging from your photos your diet is not ok, and nor is your training, then you simply WILL NOT grow

Stop wasting time googling Steroids , PH's or supplements, the solution is not in a pill, vial or syringe, its in the way you eat and the way you train.

Stuff your face 8 times a day
Hit the gym (or whatever is available) HARD with utter dedication, do supersets, use proper form, and do SLOW controlled movements on the negative phase of the lifts, 2-3 seconds.
Utilize Negative reps.

These are the things that will make you grow.

If you want to build a house you need:

Bricks and planks and nails (proteins)
A workforce (Time in the gym)
Money to PAY that workforce, if you cant pay them, they'll sell your bricks and planks and nails (Excess kcals, if you do not supply enough cals your body will utilize the protein meant to build your muscles as energy instead)

If you don't have any bricks, and you dont have much of a workforce, just a lonely guy aimlessly wandering around, and you dont have any money to pay that guy, how do you expect your house to be built?

/Maf

[ma_fighter]

This guys physique is nice, and he didn't use AAS he used prohormones, are those just as bad as AAS or better or worse. Let me know. He says hes gained 10 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks and shredded 3 lbs of body fat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42T50...ature=youtu.be

Genes, training and nutrition built that guy, not PH's

[Kidd636]

You won't get any answers on here anything below 25 years old. Sorry man

[ma_fighter]

You won't get any answers on here anything below 25 years old. Sorry man

All the answers are out there, in the stickies, if he can be bothered to look for it.
But we're not about to help some youngster do damage to himself, what he needs to know right now is that he is too young for AAS or PH's.
If he chooses to ignore that fact, then that's on him, we cannot physically stop him from doing whatever he wants.

[Bloodhoun116]

so you're saying i could probably never achieve this physique naturally? Maaan.. even if i do the training and nutrition its all on the genes. That's what i F*cking hate, AAS or prohormones level the playing field for people like me. But I digress, I do need to get my nutrition and everything but i just cant right now at this stage in my life. Im a college kid and I have no F*cking money to eat 8 times a day, nor do I have the time with work and school and projects and studying for mid terms and finals and sh*t like that. It's virtually impossible for me w/out a little extra push

[JayIsPumped]

lol!!!! im in the same situation bro..i already have all the gear and want to do it soooooo bad! gorillas at the gym tell me ill be fine this one time.. and then I joined here and they all did the same to me "don't do it" so I thought hmm I prolly shouldn't do it their right..then I see the guys at the gym and they say nah man those sites are full of "nobodys" coming from a big time competitor that is jacked and ripped outta his mind I think ya ur right ill just do it..then I think of all the sides that could happen and Im already stronger and in better shape then most ppl my age at the gym and then I don't wanna do it anymore...and I feel u on wanting to looked jacked for girls but like someone already posted they'll accuse u of roids and most young girls are against that and think its "nasty"..most young girls like those skinny emo punk fagget looking bastards...so im in ur boat but im ganna stay natural for a few more years because I know for a fact im a late bloomer all my friends had facial hair and what not at 8th grade and im 20 yrs old and am just starting to get straggly looking facial hair..but my dad was 34 when he died and he didn't have facial hair so idk really but I do know all my friends hit puperty a couple years before me..non the less just don't do it... take some natural test booster like tribulos I think its called and go get some GAT nitraflex "natural free roaming test booster pre workout" some creatine and eat eat eat eat eat and workout till u cant do another rep on everything and know u did ur all...then when ur at the age lets say 24-25 ull already be a fuc*ing freak and if u decide to take steroids ull be far more educated and be able to maximize gains to their full potential.. ! :P

[ma_fighter]

I'm saying that either you have the genes to achieve that physique, or you do not, regardless of AAS usage.

I'm also saying that at the moment you do not possess the other necessary tools (training and nutrition) to grow.

And, I'm saying that you have the wrong mentality at the moment. You're constantly looking for excuses, and telling us "I cant do this, I cant do that" instead of looking at what you CAN do!
Sit down, take steroids , PH's etc out of the equation, figure out how you can make this work, and do it.

You have time to sit at the computer, googling this shit dont you? Use that time to train instead.
And yes, I believe that even as a college kid you DO have the money to eat 8 times a day (esp if you think you have money to waste on AAS), you just have to look for the cheap sources of nutrition, and do your own cooking (which you should be doing anyways)

Red kidney beans - cheap as fu*k and contains 22g of protein per 100g. Can be used in a lot of foods, sallads, pastas, chilis..
Egg whites
Cottage cheese
Oatmeal
Rice
Potatoes
Chicken

You also do not have to eat 8 full meals every day, but as an Ecto you need a constant flow of nutrients. Make a couple of shakes, or snack sized meals that hold well that are high in protein and cals, have one of these inbetween your regular meals.

AAS will not "level the playing field" if you're nutrition and training are not spot on, and when they are you will not have any use for AAS for a couple of years anyways.

[Bloodhoun116]

lol!!!! im in the same situation bro..i already have all the gear and want to do it soooooo bad! gorillas at the gym tell me ill be fine this one time.. and then I joined here and they all did the same to me "don't do it" so I thought hmm I prolly shouldn't do it their right..then I see the guys at the gym and they say nah man those sites are full of "nobodys" coming from a big time competitor that is jacked and ripped outta his mind I think ya ur right ill just do it..then I think of all the sides that could happen and Im already stronger and in better shape then most ppl my age at the gym and then I don't wanna do it anymore...and I feel u on wanting to looked jacked for girls but like someone already posted they'll accuse u of roids and most young girls are against that and think its "nasty"..most young girls like those skinny emo punk fagget looking bastards...so im in ur boat but im ganna stay natural for a few more years because I know for a fact im a late bloomer all my friends had facial hair and what not at 8th grade and im 20 yrs old and am just starting to get straggly looking facial hair..but my dad was 34 when he died and he didn't have facial hair so idk really but I do know all my friends hit puperty a couple years before me..non the less just don't do it... take some natural test booster like tribulos I think its called and go get some GAT nitraflex "natural free roaming test booster pre workout" some creatine and eat eat eat eat eat and workout till u cant do another rep on everything and know u did ur all...then when ur at the age lets say 24-25 ull already be a fuc*ing freak and if u decide to take steroids ull be far more educated and be able to maximize gains to their full potential.. ! :P

hahaha yeah dude, i was feeling like maybe i shouldnt do it, but i already have a source to get it from and its within my budget too. i just wanna get to like 210 and i think its possible with the cycle that im looking into. even if i get to only aroubd 205 at like 8% bf that would be even good. im just looking to get some nice size and lean by the summer so i can walk around like a shredded **** at the beach. and people give me sh*t for "not reaching my genetic potential yet" but its like, why would i take the long way when you can get there 10x faster using a different way. thats like walking to school when you could just as easily take the bus and get there much faster. i just dont understand..

[Bloodhoun116]

I'm saying that either you have the genes to achieve that physique, or you do not, regardless of AAS usage.

I'm also saying that at the moment you do not possess the other necessary tools (training and nutrition) to grow.

And, I'm saying that you have the wrong mentality at the moment. You're constantly looking for excuses, and telling us "I cant do this, I cant do that" instead of looking at what you CAN do!
Sit down, take steroids , PH's etc out of the equation, figure out how you can make this work, and do it.

You have time to sit at the computer, googling this shit dont you? Use that time to train instead.
And yes, I believe that even as a college kid you DO have the money to eat 8 times a day (esp if you think you have money to waste on AAS), you just have to look for the cheap sources of nutrition, and do your own cooking (which you should be doing anyways)

Red kidney beans - cheap as fu*k and contains 22g of protein per 100g. Can be used in a lot of foods, sallads, pastas, chilis..
Egg whites
Cottage cheese
Oatmeal
Rice
Potatoes
Chicken

You also do not have to eat 8 full meals every day, but as an Ecto you need a constant flow of nutrients. Make a couple of shakes, or snack sized meals that hold well that are high in protein and cals, have one of these inbetween your regular meals.

AAS will not "level the playing field" if you're nutrition and training are not spot on, and when they are you will not have any use for AAS for a couple of years anyways.

man f*ck... hearing all that is just killing my motivation.. i dont even think i wanna lift anymore..

[clarky.]

For fu*k sake mate just go and do what you want. You are not listening to the well educated members of this board you will never listen. And when you get your muscels you want and your dick dosn't work and your hormones are fu*ked then you might think hey they guys were right.

[clarky.]

For fu*k sake mate just go and do what you want. You are not listening to the well educated members of this board you will never listen. And when you get your muscels you want and your dick dosn't work and your hormones are fu*ked then you might think hey they guys were right.

[Bloodhoun116]

For fu*k sake mate just go and do what you want. You are not listening to the well educated members of this board you will never listen. And when you get your muscels you want and your dick dosn't work and your hormones are fu*ked then you might think hey they guys were right.

this isnt very insightful sir. i came to this forum to get respectful educated advice from experienced knowledgable users and im not getting that from u. youre insulting my intelligence and im taking it as an insult.

[Granovich]

This guys physique is nice, and he didn't use AAS he used prohormones, are those just as bad as AAS or better or worse. Let me know. He says hes gained 10 lbs of muscle in 8 weeks and shredded 3 lbs of body fat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42T50...ature=youtu.be

i got shut down with PH and i was 23 and i suffered for over a year with ED and not being able to get erection. weakness and muscle loss all for gaining 5 lbs that i lost on PH
and after alot of blood works and HCG and serms and spending 1000's on doctos and the humilation and not being able to sleep at night , i recovered. i wont dare say i fully recovered, maybe 80% of recovery. which will effect me in future im sure.. and i was 23
when u r 19 all it takes 1 cycle and you will never recover i promise.... Low testosterone for life, early TRt , seriously those guys who start trt at 20 i doubt they will live to see 40 or have kids if that matters...
wait 5-6 more years naturally.. eat better .. workout better. rest. and you will gain strength
your natural production is sky high now you do not need testosterone ....

[Granovich]

you dont need motivation to left
you just left
you think now you dont have motivation ?
when you get low testosterone you will feel like shit
you will literally become sensitive like a woman. loose muscles. lose apettite
not workout

[ironman1982]

going by the pics you need to start eating, you need to build a nice frame to take all this extra weight.

[Bloodhoun116]

going by the pics you need to start eating, you need to build a nice frame to take all this extra weight.

damn, i just get so tired of eating sometimes because im an extreme ectomorph and it took an insane amount of eating just to reach my physique now, you shouldve seen me a year and a half ago.. it feels like its all for nothing when im not seeing the results i want after all the hard work

[MuscleInk]

damn, i just get so tired of eating sometimes because im an extreme ectomorph and it took an insane amount of eating just to reach my physique now, you shouldve seen me a year and a half ago.. it feels like its all for nothing when im not seeing the results i want after all the hard work

How many calories are you eating each time?
How often do you eat?

[ironman1982]

I too was like you same height 6ft 1 and i used to be 149lbs when i started

im 181 now and feel i can still gain some naturally and im 30yrs old lol.

just eat more if you gain too much fat just cut it back a bit

[Bloodhoun116]

How many calories are you eating each time?
How often do you eat?

well when i started i was really determined to not be so skinny anymore. like there were girls that were bigger than me so i was like f*ck this, im gonna gain weight this summer. that was the end of my junior year and the beginning of summer so i started drinking a mass gainer literally every day called serious mass and i added ice cream to it. plus i would eat like some snacks to up the calories. the serious mass shake had 3200 calories in it alone and the snacks would be around an extra 600 calories so around 3800 - 4000 calories a day. that summer the end of june i started at 149 and when i went back to school in the beginning of september i was like 189. needless to say i gained a significant amount of fat around my hips. it looked like i had a tire around my waist, but i was so blinded by the weight i gained i didnt even notice it until my brother told me i had some massive love handles. but everyone noticed my size when i went back to school. they were askin me if i was lifting and telling me i got bigger. i was like oh hell yeah this is sweet. i noticed my shirts got tighter ans u could see the definition in my arms. my arms went from 13 inches to like 14 and a halfs in months.. but on a conquest to loose my unsightly love handles i stopped my eating habits and lost a lot of weight but mainly my love handles were still there though not as prominent.. so i really went down to eating like twice a day and lost motivation to lift and thats where i am today.

[Brohim]

Cool, I know i have my diet in check already. I have my bulking meal plan and everything. And as far as those side effects. Idc what my body looks like internally, as long as i'm aesthetic externally, that's all that really matters =]

Your oiut of your freakin mind bro. You have an Avatar of Zyzz he is your mentor? He is who you look up to? This guy only cared for himself and was a druggie. It blows my mind young folks can't see past this. Life is way bigger than tryint to look aesthetic and we need to put a stop to this right here and now. That dumb kid started that stupid thing by making videos of himself. Your priorities change as you get older. You don't want to mess yourself up because you have to life later on in life. Your "bro" you got in your pic didn't get that and he ended his life prematurely.

remember the means don't justify the end.

[MuscleInk]

well when i started i was really determined to not be so skinny anymore. like there were girls that were bigger than me so i was like f*ck this, im gonna gain weight this summer. that was the end of my junior year and the beginning of summer so i started drinking a mass gainer literally every day called serious mass and i added ice cream to it. plus i would eat like some snacks to up the calories. the serious mass shake had 3200 calories in it alone and the snacks would be around an extra 600 calories so around 3800 - 4000 calories a day. that summer the end of june i started at 149 and when i went back to school in the beginning of september i was like 189. needless to say i gained a significant amount of fat around my hips. it looked like i had a tire around my waist, but i was so blinded by the weight i gained i didnt even notice it until my brother told me i had some massive love handles. but everyone noticed my size when i went back to school. they were askin me if i was lifting and telling me i got bigger. i was like oh hell yeah this is sweet. i noticed my shirts got tighter ans u could see the definition in my arms. my arms went from 13 inches to like 14 and a halfs in months.. but on a conquest to loose my unsightly love handles i stopped my eating habits and lost a lot of weight but mainly my love handles were still there though not as prominent.. so i really went down to eating like twice a day and lost motivation to lift and thats where i am today.

It's all diet. Mass gainers are the worst products out there. They spike your insulin and promote FAT as you found out. They should be called FAT GAINERS because that is all they are.

It comes down to your nutrition as you have heard repeatedly on here. There is no way around this. If you don't eat you won't gain. That doesn't mean you have to get fat to get big. It means eating the right proportion of macros ad calories throughout the day to maintain a proper intake to support growth.

The only success you'll have with store bought shakes and mass gainers is bloat and fat.

Have you ever tracked your caloric and macro intake each day for a few weeks to see what your nutrition is like?

I was working with a young guy last week who was using gear and not gaining. When I looked at his diet he was eating less than 2000 calories a day. His diet was clean but lacking in volume and he was eating less than his TDEE. At that rate he will never gain weight even with gear.

[ChiveOn]

If you have already decided you aren't going to listen to the people that obviously are more educated and mature... Why bother posting at all?

[>Good Luck<]

Hey op, don't worry about all this really good advice all these strangers are giving you. Their experience isnt worth much, I mean... Most of the guys advising you only have like 10-30years lifting and nutrition experience...

Ive got a cycle in mind for you. Some might even call it a "supercycle"

[boz]

lol this thread still going, i can see why most gave up long ago on this kid.

[Bloodhoun116]

If you have already decided you aren't going to listen to the people that obviously are more educated and mature... Why bother posting at all?

@chiveon , good luck, and boz. arent you d-bags reading what i recently said or were u looking at the first page of posts because if u jack arses took the time to read, u would see that im not even on the subject of AAS anymore. jesus christ, so quick to bash me and dont even listen. And @Muscleink thanks, i really appreciate youre feedback the most because youre basically the only one here that is helping me and isnt reaming me based on a few immature posts i made earlier, so for that i thank you.

[Soar]

The avi says it all..

That another Aziz avi or something?

[JayIsPumped]

hahaha yeah dude, i was feeling like maybe i shouldnt do it, but i already have a source to get it from and its within my budget too. i just wanna get to like 210 and i think its possible with the cycle that im looking into. even if i get to only aroubd 205 at like 8% bf that would be even good. im just looking to get some nice size and lean by the summer so i can walk around like a shredded **** at the beach. and people give me sh*t for "not reaching my genetic potential yet" but its like, why would i take the long way when you can get there 10x faster using a different way. thats like walking to school when you could just as easily take the bus and get there much faster. i just dont understand..

ya ive had all my gear for a couple months now and took one shot when I got it and had a big ass lump and was all red I had to go to the DOC after it stayed for a week and got worse..took all proper sterile techniques but its some strong shit test e 350..theres more to it then u think..

[Soar]

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[Bloodhoun116]

ya ive had all my gear for a couple months now and took one shot when I got it and had a big ass lump and was all red I had to go to the DOC after it stayed for a week and got worse..took all proper sterile techniques but its some strong shit test e 350..theres more to it then u think..

did you aspirate ?? u know make sure there was no blood in the syringe? that might have been the problem. watch this video for whenever you want to think about pinning again http://youtu.be/2PDqLDjMDtA

[>Good Luck<]

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^^^ lol

[>Good Luck<]

did you aspirate ?? u know make sure there was no blood in the syringe? that might have been the problem. watch this video for whenever you want to think about pinning again http://youtu.be/2PDqLDjMDtA

If you hit a vein you wouldn't get a lump. You'd cough like you were about to die

[kronik420]

this is what ive got so far naturally. i havent been able to lift in like 5 months because of school and work and my car recently broke down so i cant go to the gym like i could on a regular basis. but these are some pics. im an ectomorph and when i started lifting i was aroubd 150 at 6'1 and im the aame height now but im sitting at around and i cant gain anymore weight. so this is why im turning to AAS. take a look and see what im working with

have you tried lifting weights??

[boz]

@chiveon , good luck, and boz. arent you d-bags reading what i recently said or were u looking at the first page of posts because if u jack arses took the time to read, u would see that im not even on the subject of AAS anymore. jesus christ, so quick to bash me and dont even listen. And @Muscleink thanks, i really appreciate youre feedback the most because youre basically the only one here that is helping me and isnt reaming me based on a few immature posts i made earlier, so for that i thank you.

Kid, i was the one trying to give you advice on the first page, your maturity and attitude are none to waste time with thats where i was getting at. Im very surprised members are still trying to give u a helping hand, and you have the audacity to turn around and ATTEMPT to call me names and everyone else u claim are d-bags and jack arse, at the end of the day your feeble approach to everything is a joke.

[Bloodhoun116]

have you tried lifting weights??

lol see me in 4 months you f*cking ****

[>Good Luck<]

@chiveon , good luck, and boz. arent you d-bags reading what i recently said or were u looking at the first page of posts because if u jack arses took the time to read, u would see that im not even on the subject of AAS anymore. jesus christ, so quick to bash me and dont even listen. And @Muscleink thanks, i really appreciate youre feedback the most because youre basically the only one here that is helping me and isnt reaming me based on a few immature posts i made earlier, so for that i thank you.

D-bags? Quick to bash you? Not on the topic of aas? Listen up you little puke- nobody on here is a stupid as you so don't think you're fooling anyone except your self. You think you can ask a "theoretical question" or the same gawd damn question 100 times and then lead us to believe that you aren't thinking about aas anymore. For the record, you didn't make a few immature posts. You've ONLY made immature posts... If anything, I would like to apologize for trying to help you at all... At this point, I can't wait to see what happens to you when you cycle. I hope you choose the most potent, harsh, and dangerous compounds and suffer the consequences of your own ignorance. I encourage every knowledgeable member, and every mod, and every vet, and every noobie. (yes even the noobies will be laughing at you) to not help this little PUKE, when he's botching about PIP, trensomnia, deca dick, depression, pct or anything. I hope you make all the decisions you have stated, and I hope that when this girl that broke you're poor little immature heart sees you, you feel even more dumb and insignificant than you do now... If that's even possible... Because I'm sure she ignored you because you are a complete tool, not because you are "not big enough"

Please make a log so I will always have something to go laugh at when I'm bored, or a little down from pct.

P.s. You know zyzz died from being an idiot like you, right? When you're looking up to him, and acting like him, and talking like him- just remember that he paid the ultimate price for his ignorance, and hopefully you'll wake up before you do too. Pfft! Calling us dbags... What a little PUKE!

[>Good Luck<]

this is what ive got so far naturally. i havent been able to lift in like 5 months because of school and work and my car recently broke down so i cant go to the gym like i could on a regular basis. but these are some pics. im an ectomorph and when i started lifting i was aroubd 150 at 6'1 and im the aame height now but im sitting at around and i cant gain anymore weight. so this is why im turning to AAS. take a look and see what im working with

<img src="http://forums.steroid .com/attachment.php?attachmentid=132058"/>

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=132059"/>

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=132060"/>

If you're not lifting for 5 months, what did u think? You'll just magically grow?

Here's some advice... Clean your room, THEN go the gym.

[Bloodhoun116]

If you're not lifting for 5 months, what did u think? You'll just magically grow?

Here's some advice... Clean your room, THEN go the gym.

lol i had a feeling a woman would tell me to clean my room. i didnt think it was gonna matter because there is mostly men on this forum but theres always that one b*tch at the party u just cant avoid.. hm..