my mid June cycle

[jolter604]

This what I have going right now
Week 1-18 600mg alphapharma test e
Week 1-10 450mg dragon pharma npp
Week 1-4 100mg eod geneza test p
Week 1-3 50 mg dbol danabol blue hearts
Week 4-6 50mg anadrol geneza
Week 1-20 25 mg aromasin and hcg 250 2x week
And I have 100 pills of raloxifene for gyno if it flairs up
.25 cabaser on hand
No pct nahhhh
Week 20-25
Nova 40/40/20/20/20
Clomid 100/75/50/50/50
Right now I am 210 around 15,18 % body fat.
Hoping to gain 10 pounds and lean out more.

[kelkel]

Add NAC for liver protection.
Keep an eye on your BP.

[RA]

You don't need it with those guns.

[NACH3]

Kel, do you think 6wks of clomid is neccessary(it is a long cycle) but I thought clomid should cease after 4 wks but he could run it say 100/100/75/50. 40/40/40/20/20/10? I'm curiius too, I've never seen anyone run clomid that long just at higher doses?? UDCA? Since drol and d-Bol...

[jolter604]

Add NAC for liver protection.
Keep an eye on your BP.

Yes sir and milk thistle

[jolter604]

Kel, do you think 6wks of clomid is neccessary(it is a long cycle) but I thought clomid should cease after 4 wks but he could run it say 100/100/75/50. 40/40/40/20/20/10? I'm curiius too, I've never seen anyone run clomid that long just at higher doses?? UDCA? Since drol and d-Bol...

Yeah I was thinking of cutting it short to. It makes me weird.

[NACH3]

Yeah I was thinking of cutting it short to. It makes me weird.

I can see 16wks but both are a tad long but really wasn't questioning that... I would just like to hear Kels/or someone's view on the clomid going past 4wks...

[jolter604]

I can see 16wks but both are a tad long but really wasn't questioning that... I would just like to hear Kels/if someone's view on the clomid going past 4wks...

I meant the clomid or replaced it with some torem

[NACH3]

I meant the clomid or replaced it with some torem

Yeah that could work im not to sure about dosing off the top of my head, I use clomid, but it does mess w/some people! Vision headaches etc(acne on me)

[jolter604]

It just gives me that uncomfortable in my own skin and lazy.

[NACH3]

It just gives me that uncomfortable in my own skin and lazy.

That too, but then again you were just shut down for 12+ wks lol. That's uncomfortable enough

[Buster Brown]

I meant the clomid or replaced it with some torem

Torem is an excellent choice. I used to run torem and nov for 5 week pcts. Way better pct then using clo. I don't know about 3 weeks dbol and 3 weeks drol. Think I would kickstart one and backload another. I see you are using prop to kickstart as well......IDK! That's a lot bro.

[jolter604]

I was going to save the prop for my tren cycle next year.

[kelkel]

Kel, do you think 6wks of clomid is neccessary(it is a long cycle) but I thought clomid should cease after 4 wks but he could run it say 100/100/75/50. 40/40/40/20/20/10? I'm curiius too, I've never seen anyone run clomid that long just at higher doses?? UDCA? Since drol and d-Bol...

Where is it written that because you were shut down longer that you need a longer pct? There's no internal clock that suddenly says a 4 week pct isn't sufficient. PCT is and always will be a crapshoot, plain and simple. You can be on for years and start right up or do one cycle and never regain normal function. It's the game we play.

That said, if anything I'd run the nolva a couple weeks longer.

[NACH3]

Where is it written that because you were shut down longer that you need a longer pct? There's no internal clock that suddenly says a 4 week pct isn't sufficient. PCT is and always will be a crapshoot, plain and simple. You can be on for years and start right up or do one cycle and never regain normal function. It's the game we play.

That said, if anything I'd run the nolva a couple weeks longer.

Nope, not written anywhere! And it's exactly what I would do(cap the clomid at end of 4wks, and extend nolvadex up to 6 wks if on heavier cycle)... Just wanted your opinion

[jolter604]

Would adding t3 or clen be a bad idea? The

[NACH3]

What's your goals?? What's gonna be your starting bf?? Are you bukking or cutting? If bulking T3 wouldn't bd bad - but it def doesn't discriminate if it eats muscle or fat or both

Whats the cycle anymore lol - NPP or Tren - prop/cyp E - drol or Dbol

[jolter604]

It's the original plan but I am using anadrol for a kick and dbol backloading. I'm going to run tren next year. I am 210 bf around 15 % want to add mass and lower bf. I'm 210 but want to get to 220 and tone down.

[NACH3]

It's the original plan but I am using anadrol for a kick and dbol backloading. I'm going to run tren next year. I am 210 bf around 15 % want to add mass and lower bf. I'm 210 but want to get to 220 and tone down.

That's all diet brother... I'd try and get down to 10-12% b4 yoyr cycle and do a clean bulk(I was gonna add not to split the drol Dbol in 3/3 wks if your gonna run em run em for 4 wks like you mentioned(but two heavy hitters in one cycle)?!

Doing a recomp is hard... I'd pick one - start bulking now and cut - or cut down now and bulk(I'd do this).... If diet and everything is on point you'll be fine(I gained 20lbs but dropped 3-5%) definitely doable - and I still have my T3 - never had to run it...

[jolter604]

3 days in and feeling great, no Pip from the quick esters and the drol is giving some good pumps.

[lovbyts]

Where is it written that because you were shut down longer that you need a longer pct? There's no internal clock that suddenly says a 4 week pct isn't sufficient. PCT is and always will be a crapshoot, plain and simple. You can be on for years and start right up or do one cycle and never regain normal function. It's the game we play.

That said, if anything I'd run the nolva a couple weeks longer.

What about NPP vs Deca ? I know Austinite recommends running Nolva an extra 2 weeks when running Deca due to it's effect on your HPTA being more harsh but since NPP is fast acting would you not need to run nolva longer?

[sigep1625]

You never answered if you were gonna just do one and not the other of Adrol and Dbol ??

[jolter604]

You never answered if you were gonna just do one and not the other of Adrol and Dbol??

Anadrol 75 mg Week 1-4
Dbol 40 mg Week 10-13 if blood work comes back and I'm good to keep going.

[jolter604]

So I have gained 8 pounds in 4 days, so I would say the gear is working good. But my lower back has been getting bad back pumps so I started using taurine.

[jolter604]

So Now I have switched from anadrol to dbol and of have already hit 220 .the funny thing is on the anadrol my nipples would be are two days after I would pop my caber And the next morning after I would take my caber they would be fine. On the drol so far no sore nipples Just great Veiny pumps. I have been taking 12.5 aromasin morning and 25 mg before bed. And I did not get the 30 pounds on 100mg of drol like I have read just a major strength increase.

[jolter604]

Today the danabol kicked in and I like it more than drol pumps and strength and vascular increase. But the lower back pump was so cramped I had to do 3 reps put the bar up wait a couple seconds and then go another three reps on bench press. Dbol over drol for me here on out.

[Joco71]

Good luck jolter will you be updating this the whole way. If so I will be following.?

[jolter604]

Good luck jolter will you be updating this the whole way. If so I will be following.?

I will update as much as I can I started working 6 10hour days. This will help me with my next order. So I am working working out eating watching my kids and sleeping.

[jolter604]

This was after a arm workout, a little pumped.

[tice1212]

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This was after a arm workout, a little pumped.

Nice bro. How much weight have u gained on this cycle so far? Any side effect to speak about?

[jolter604]

No sides Just feel great, I have leveled off at 220 right now but I have noticed body fat going down. I have been targeting my lats and traps by hitting them heavy once and then mildly once a week. They are the muscles I want to increase the most.

[NACH3]

No sides Just feel great, I have leveled off at 220 right now but I have noticed body fat going down. I have been targeting my lats and traps by hitting them heavy once and then mildly once a week. They are the muscles I want to increase the most.

If you want a wider back(lats etc) work on thickness... Your lats will follow(wings as Marcus would say & it that came from one of his posts) .... How many BPs are you working in one session(1 or 2)? I'm guessing 2 w/doing back twice? Shoulders/delts(rears/traps/rhomboids) are a major player in your upper back as well!

[jolter604]

Chest once, arms heavy and lite shoulders once, back heavy and lite, legs heavy and lite. Traps heavy and lite. Shoulders once because if I work them on a night I work the next day I am miserable at work the next day. I hit them on my Friday or Saturday if I work Saturday.i am going for wider and thicker with back.

[NACH3]

Chest once, arms heavy and lite shoulders once, back heavy and lite, legs heavy and lite. Traps heavy and lite. Shoulders once because if I work them on a night I work the next day I am miserable at work the next day. I hit them on my Friday or Saturday if I work Saturday.i am going for wider and thicker with back.

Well I don't understand why you wouldn't work everything heavy(ish) but that's me(hypertrophy is 6-10(12 being structural hypertrophy) growth!

I'd concentrate on thickness - the rest will follow suit... Rows rows rows... BB Bent over rows - never neglecting a muscle in your back(lat pulldowns - various grips/all your accessory work - /T-Bar rows/seated rows/high pully rows/low pully rows on and on... You can easily target delts/traps or back traps(traps are a sm muscle - I can see combining arms(or a major w/a minor) - to each their own -

Are you hitting chest heavy at least? If your bukking you want to stay between 6-8 reps(seems to be the sweet spot for me - I may go to 4 - I may go to 12 depends on the exercise, how im targeting it, & what im using...

How's the drol(or are you backloading it?

[jolter604]

Well I don't understand why you wouldn't work everything heavy(ish) but that's me(hypertrophy is 6-10(12 being structural hypertrophy) growth!

I'd concentrate on thickness - the rest will follow suit... Rows rows rows... BB Bent over rows - never neglecting a muscle in your back(lat pulldowns - various grips/all your accessory work - /T-Bar rows/seated rows/high pully rows/low pully rows on and on... You can easily target delts/traps or back traps(traps are a sm muscle - I can see combining arms(or a major w/a minor) - to each their own -

Are you hitting chest heavy at least? If your bukking you want to stay between 6-8 reps(seems to be the sweet spot for me - I may go to 4 - I may go to 12 depends on the exercise, how im targeting it, & what im using...

How's the drol(or are you backloading it?

The reason I am only going hard once is the yen hour days drain me, I finished the drol and jumped on dbol . I am doing 3 1/2 weeks of each. I like drol but I would only use dbol again. I just like it better.and by lite I mean 10 to 12 reps and heavy a day of 5 to 8 reps.

[NACH3]

The reason I am only going hard once is the yen hour days drain me, I finished the drol and jumped on dbol. I am doing 3 1/2 weeks of each. I like drol but I would only use dbol again. I just like it better.and by lite I mean 10 to 12 reps and heavy a day of 5 to 8 reps.

Ok... Gotcha - are you actually going to failure in those rep ranges?

Yeah 10 he days are rough - that's why Id rather wake up early and get in there as im useless after lol

I know you said you like the d-Bol better - how were your gains and strength w/the drol??

[jolter604]

Ok... Gotcha - are you actually going to failure in those rep ranges?

Yeah 10 he days are rough - that's why Id rather wake up early and get in there as im useless after lol

I know you said you like the d-Bol better - how were your gains and strength w/the drol??

I had more strength gains on the drol but my nipples were always sore ,I had to pop my caber every other day or they would get puffy,a member on another forum recommended the caber for nandralone and drol sides. They are back to normal now. I was more bloated on drol as well. On the dbol I get a better pump and vascular effect. It also is a little bloated but not as bad. And yes I always do my reps to failure accept my first couple warm ups.

[NACH3]

I had more strength gains on the drol but my nipples were always sore ,I had to pop my caber every other day or they would get puffy,a member on another forum recommended the caber for nandralone and drol sides. They are back to normal now. I was more bloated on drol as well. On the dbol I get a better pump and vascular effect. It also is a little bloated but not as bad. And yes I always do my reps to failure accept my first couple warm ups.

You should be taking caber(DA) fir any 19nor/& drol - NPP is a progestin/drol isn't but for some reason it activates the progesterone receptor(I think - I'm trying to figure this out myself as well).... Your E2 may be high if prolactin was a problem(prolactin follows elevated E2) -

What you running your test/NPP at again?

[jolter604]

Yeah test and npp and dbol . I was taking. 25 caber e4d but I had to take it eod. That was the recommendation from another member. I'm back to e3d now. But yeah I was already taking it but I guess progesterone and me do not get along. Haahaa

[NACH3]

Yeah test and npp and dbol. I was taking. 25 caber e4d but I had to take it eod. That was the recommendation from another member. I'm back to e3d now. But yeah I was already taking it but I guess progesterone and me do not get along. Haahaa

Getting back to e3d is much better(DAs are powerful - but I'm a fan) - Prami for me -

Mao how you liking the NPP(strength/size gains)?