First cycle logs

[FknAesthetic]

And wats to say it won't.You are taking a big risk for something that with a lil effort you could've did natty.And I will be surprised with in a yr if you still have those gains with your diet.

Dont say with a little effort. I've been busting my ass off for all the time I've been trainig. I rest 1 to 2 days a week, I've only missed 3 workouts since I started. I only ate chocolate twice for my birthdays. I've read a lot of books and research articles to try to do the best I can. I study engineering and you've probably heard how hard it is and you can imagine all the sacrifices I've made to be able to still workout even if Im in my exams week. What I gained in 1 week would've taken me like 3 months drug free...
I'm aware of the risks Im taking and in the worst scenario I'll be on TRT for life, which is not even near death.
BTW thanks for the concern, but I wonder why this negative stuff comes up after 6 weeks when I say that I started noticing gains.

[songdog]

Bro you want the cold hard truth? Well hear it is you were not in engineering class all through HS.Kids in HS got a better base than you WHY beacuse they weren't lazy and make up excuses.Men and women all over the world some got started training by the time they were 13 or earlier.They paid the price they did things the way they were suppose to.And now you think these men and women are going too show someone respect when that person cant follow directions from people who know wat they are doing to see someone like you jumping up and down over nothing.And you talk about neg stuff! You were warned about the risks and its not just TRT ED no libido depression.And these can take up to 10 yrs to come out.And as far as your gains I am glad YOU can see them.READ the thread For the guys who want to gain 25lbs on a cycle.By Hawaian Pride.

[Capebuffalo]

Dont say with a little effort. I've been busting my ass off for all the time I've been trainig. I rest 1 to 2 days a week, I've only missed 3 workouts since I started. I only ate chocolate twice for my birthdays. I've read a lot of books and research articles to try to do the best I can. I study engineering and you've probably heard how hard it is and you can imagine all the sacrifices I've made to be able to still workout even if Im in my exams week. What I gained in 1 week would've taken me like 3 months drug free...
I'm aware of the risks Im taking and in the worst scenario I'll be on TRT for life, which is not even near death.
BTW thanks for the concern, but I wonder why this negative stuff comes up after 6 weeks when I say that I started noticing gains.

Wow. Sounds tough. I've got a job, a ,wife, a young son. Active in my community and church. How do you do it? I started working out in middle school, through high school college and still going. I didn't cycle until my mid 30's. At that point I had a base to work with. You're not achieving anything you can't do natty. You gained more in a week than in three months natty? Imagine what that would have been if you had a base and knew what you were doing. There is no short cut and no manic pill. Songdog is 100% correct in his assessment of you. You can get pissy or you can listen and learn. Choice is yours.

[FknAesthetic]

I do know that if I would have been training since I was 13 I would have a good base, but at that time I didint give a fuck about bodybuilding, I had other hobbies then and no, I was not fkn lazy, I graduated with a 6.82 out of 7 with the highest GPA in my class (not smart, lots of studying) and played guitar in a band. And Im also not trying to compare how busy I am with others, Im saying that I do put a lot of effort. And what, you expect me to drop everything right now? Is that your advice?
Im not trying to get huge, just big like someone who has been PED's free training for years. I want to get close to my natural limit quicker.

[Capebuffalo]

peace.

[Couchlock]

I do know that if I would have been training since I was 13 I would have a good base, but at that time I didint give a fuck about bodybuilding, I had other hobbies then and no, I was not fkn lazy, I graduated with a 6.82 out of 7 with the highest GPA in my class (not smart, lots of studying) and played guitar in a band. And Im also not trying to compare how busy I am with others, Im saying that I do put a lot of effort. And what, you expect me to drop everything right now? Is that your advice?
Im not trying to get huge, just big like someone who has been PED's free training for years. I want to get close to my natural limit quicker.

You want to be big like a dude who been training for years ped free.

You want to reach your natural limit?

Then train natural, you don't use juice to get to natural limit.

Your intentions are clearly obvious now, you want to circumvent the whole lifestyle and go right to contest ready.

Every one wants to go to heaven, but no one wants to die...

[Jack22]

I'm interested to see how your recovery pans out; I'm 21 also and considering a cycle.

[songdog]

I'm interested to see how your recovery pans out; I'm 21 also and considering a cycle.

Wat you didn't read where I said it could take up to 10yrs? That's a long time to wait bro and there are no guarantees in running aas.

[FknAesthetic]

I'm interested to see how your recovery pans out; I'm 21 also and considering a cycle.

Me too ��
I'll post my blood results in a few months to see if I did end up fucking up my system or not.

[boisebeast]

Wat you didn't read where I said it could take up to 10yrs? That's a long time to wait bro and there are no guarantees in running aas.

Don't bother song, they don't get it. We've seen these threads over and over again and we all know how it ends. If they don't want to listen then let them learn the hard way

[FknAesthetic]

7th and 8th Week
I'm up 20lbs since I started this cycle. On the 8th week I didnt gain anything probably because I had diahrrea because of a chicken that expired and I ate it twice on different days
Now I'm good and hoping to make new gains and about to hit chest+triceps and a few lateral raises.
Edit: I've been having little acne over the chest and also on shoulders.

[FknAesthetic]

Cycle results before PCT
I went from 77kg to 90-91kg which is 29-30 lbs, and approximately (just by guessing) from 8% bf to 13% bf which gives me 12lbs of whatever makes me look fat. I know the remaining 20lbs is not just muscle.
I got much stronger on my bench press, squat and deadlift.
Starting PCT next week (my last pin was last week).
I experimented a little with my arimidex and didnt use it in the week I was on vacations and neither on my last week of cycle, and I didnt feel my moobs got any bigger, I had gyno from puberty so my moobs where there from before and I didn't mind if they got a little bigger since I plan on getting them out in a few years.
I ate around 4000 cals since week 6. Should I continue eating like this until i finish my PCT?
Here are the before and after pics.
Do you think it was a bad,good or mediocre cycle?
Thanks guys for all the help!!
After cycle front picture 1:
After cycle front picture 2:
After cycle back picture 1:
After cycle back (lats) picture:
Before cycle front picture 1:

[Couchlock]

Cycle results before PCT
I went from 77kg to 90-91kg which is 29-30 lbs, and approximately (just by guessing) from 8% bf to 13% bf which gives me 12lbs of whatever makes me look fat. I know the remaining 20lbs is not just muscle.
I got much stronger on my bench press, squat and deadlift.
Starting PCT next week (my last pin was last week).
I experimented a little with my arimidex and didnt use it in the week I was on vacations and neither on my last week of cycle, and I didnt feel my moobs got any bigger, I had gyno from puberty so my moobs where there from before and I didn't mind if they got a little bigger since I plan on getting them out in a few years.
I ate around 4000 cals since week 6. Should I continue eating like this until i finish my PCT?
Here are the before and after pics.
Do you think it was a bad,good or mediocre cycle?
Thanks guys for all the help!!
After cycle front picture 1: <img src="http://forums.steroid .com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167577"/>
After cycle front picture 2: <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167580"/>
After cycle back picture 1: <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167578"/>
After cycle back (lats) picture: <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167579"/>
Before cycle front picture 1: <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167581"/>

What were before pics?

[FknAesthetic]

The last picture and the one I posted at the beggining of the thread.
This is the link to them: First cycle logs

Here is the front pic comparison:

[Couchlock]

The last picture and the one I posted at the beggining of the thread.
This is the link to them: First cycle logs

Here is the front pic comparison:<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=167582"/>

You've put on about 5 lbs muscle.

In your opinion was it worth the hundreds of dollars spent and a little damage to your heart and HPTA?

Just wondering because after my cycle, I really started to question the merits of steroid use for recreational lifter bodybuilder.

[FknAesthetic]

In your opinion was it worth the hundreds of dollars spent and a little damage to your heart and HPTA?

Just 5lbs? Damn.
That isn't an easy question to answer right now, I'd have to wait a few months after PCT to really know how much I gained and if I seriously damaged my HPTA.
Considering that my hormones will be working as they should afterwards, then I don't regret taking test, because I've been always courious about it and now I know how it's like. In regards to the money spent, I don't mind because luckily I got money since I always save up. I also learned that I dont have the genetics to compete, because from what I've heard top classic bodybuilders didn't take much and their muscles responded really good.
I'm not going to cycle again in at least a few years, but for my next cut I might try clenbuterol .

[Couchlock]

Just 5lbs? Damn.
That isn't an easy question to answer right now, I'd have to wait a few months after PCT to really know how much I gained and if I seriously damaged my HPTA.
Considering that my hormones will be working as they should afterwards, then I don't regret taking test, because I've been always courious about it and now I know how it's like. In regards to the money spent, I don't mind because luckily I got money since I always save up. I also learned that I dont have the genetics to compete, because from what I've heard top classic bodybuilders didn't take much and their muscles responded really good.
I'm not going to cycle again in at least a few years, but for my next cut I might try clenbuterol.

You sound just like me.

After my first cycle (ended end Dec. Pct 28 days finished last week, but running nolva for 2 more weeks, was on injections for 17 weeks)

Any way, I put on about 5 to 7lbs muscle, some fat (more fat than I liked) and water.

I haven't lost much strength or muscle since pct. But I too, figured I owed it to myself to try test. Had my doctor right me a script for a bottle of Watson cyp 200. Used it for first 5 weeks, and finished with good ugl test cyp 250.

I was very curious, but I'm also hypochondriac and was nervous the whole time. It went relatively smooth without anything other than elevated BP.

upon finishing I already had Clen on the way, and 2 more bottles of test e 500, and mast e 200.

Waiting till august, as I now know exactly how dedicated and strict one needs to be to really really make aas shine.

Although I had decent gains first time, I should have been more disciplined and strict than I was. But work and family life kept me busy, but I still hit it 5x a week.

Keep us posted.

Do a pct log so we can get ideas of how you react to pct. More info floating around the better.

[songdog]

Just 5lbs? Damn.
That isn't an easy question to answer right now, I'd have to wait a few months after PCT to really know how much I gained and if I seriously damaged my HPTA.
Considering that my hormones will be working as they should afterwards, then I don't regret taking test, because I've been always courious about it and now I know how it's like. In regards to the money spent, I don't mind because luckily I got money since I always save up. I also learned that I dont have the genetics to compete, because from what I've heard top classic bodybuilders didn't take much and their muscles responded really good.
I'm not going to cycle again in at least a few years, but for my next cut I might try clenbuterol.

Bro you don't need to cut you need to BULK!

[FknAesthetic]

You sound just like me.
Any way, I put on about 5 to 7lbs muscle, some fat (more fat than I liked) and water.
Although I had decent gains first time, I should have been more disciplined and strict than I was. But work and family life kept me busy, but I still hit it 5x a week.
Keep us posted.

Do a pct log so we can get ideas of how you react to pct. More info floating around the better.

If you have been training for a long time then you did a successful cycle bro!
17 weeks! damn that was a long one. (that's what she said)
I also did 5x a week training and I'm considering doing a push/pull/legs routine now.

Bro you don't need to cut you need to BULK!

I knooow! I'll bulk for 4 or 6 months now. I was talking about clen for the following cut.

It been almost 2 weeks now and I haven't felt any mood changes, I haven't progressed on my lifts but I've kept them and I'm still weighing exactly the same. I'm not feeling as motivated to go train because I know I wont be blessed with quick gains, but I'm still doing the work and giving it my all.

[songdog]

If you have been training for a long time then you did a successful cycle bro!
17 weeks! damn that was a long one. (that's what she said)
I also did 5x a week training and I'm considering doing a push/pull/legs routine now.




I knooow! I'll bulk for 4 or 6 months now. I was talking about clen for the following cut.

It been almost 2 weeks now and I haven't felt any mood changes, I haven't progressed on my lifts but I've kept them and I'm still weighing exactly the same. I'm not feeling as motivated to go train because I know I wont be blessed with quick gains, but I'm still doing the work and giving it my all.

Well you reached your limit for now something you couldve done natty.So now comes the hard part pushing yourself beacuse aas can only do so much it can't make you train or eat right.

[Deal Me In]

I really wish kids would stop saying, "I know what I'm risking." With all due respect, you have no idea. You don't know what it's like to be in your late 30's and have low T. I didn't start cycling till I was in my early 30's but I'm pretty sure it didn't help. I can only imagine what starting at 21 is going to do.

I know there is nothing I can say that will make you change your mind. Unfortunately, one of the things you don't learn in life until you get older is to listen to older people when they tell you, "you're going to regret that later."

They don't tell you because they want to seem smarter than you. They tell you because they've made the mistakes and don't want to see others repeat it. Remember, to get through life you have to learn from the mistakes of others. You won't be here long enough to make all the mistakes yourself.