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08-31-2003, 08:19 PM #1New Member
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prop to kickstart cycle???
Heres my planned cycle:
500mg/wk Test enan. (wks 1-12)
300mg/wk Deca (wks 1-12)
50mg/day Winstrol (wks 10-14)
Then of course nolva and clomid ran throughout and clomid for post cycle recovery.....My question is can i run prop the first 4 or 5 weeks @200mg/eod to kickstart the cycle?? Would this be a good idea??
thanks
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08-31-2003, 08:30 PM #2Originally Posted by D.L. Abbot
Also, I don't think you need running both clomid and nolva through out the cycle. (nolva alone is enough) - But, use clomid for PCT, starting week 15 ----- 300/100/50.
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08-31-2003, 08:46 PM #3New Member
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Originally Posted by Rookiejay
Yeah i didn't mean to write that I was taking clomid and nolva throughout the cycle........But i will probably run liquidex @.5mg/eod and have nolva on hand in case any symptoms occur............And I would love to use Dbol but prop is all i have right now and im ready to start
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08-31-2003, 08:54 PM #4Originally Posted by D.L. Abbot
Hope you're not acne prone - because of the test fluctuation - just in case, might want to reduce the dose of prop by week 4.
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08-31-2003, 10:08 PM #5Originally Posted by Rookiejay
given the option to run dbol or prop to start, i will take prop any day.
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08-31-2003, 10:32 PM #6New Member
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Originally Posted by daem
thanks bros
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08-31-2003, 11:31 PM #7
I like to start and end with prop.
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09-01-2003, 12:32 AM #8
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09-02-2003, 10:11 AM #9Originally Posted by daem
This is my reasoning for Dbol being a more effectinve kick starter than Prop for a Test E based cycle. (over 8 weeks)
We've discussed in the past few days (great study posted by bask8case - http://69.41.227.42/vbulletin/showth...threadid=63345 ), that effectiveness of an AS diminishes after 2 months (8 weeks) - to avoid that you could either increase the intake of AS or swicth to an AS that affects the receptors differently.
Test Prop and Test Enan - affect receptors the same way, thus are the same AS for this purpose.
By having prop as a starter for enan - your test receptors activated and get "adapted" to test levels immediately vs. 2 weeks if used test E only. As a result, the effectiveness of Test E shortens by 2 weeks (since the receptor began to adapt to test 2 weeks earlier) ---- that implies (using the above study) - in order for your cycle to be effective you will have to increase the dosage of Test E 6 weeks into the cycle.
Having dbol as a kick starter - gives you the exact opposite effect. Your system doesn't get adapted to test till much later on, sice dbol "dominates" it. As a result, your entire 12 week cycle of test e is effectifve with one dosage.
Having test prop as a kick starter for a short cycle (6 to 8 weeks) makes sence. However, for a longer - dbol is a more effective alternatimve.
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JayLast edited by Rookiejay; 09-02-2003 at 10:17 AM.
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09-02-2003, 10:50 AM #10Originally Posted by G Child
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09-03-2003, 02:14 AM #11
I think its a case of each to their own. I've done prop and Dbol to kick start and the that feeling of lower back pain ain't a problem - just ride it!
That should only be around for a week or so!
I'm doing dbol at the moment leading up to a comp just to give me an extra kick, along side Prop 100mg e/d and Test susp before training session.
The pumps are great - I've gone through them now!
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