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    prop to kickstart cycle???

    Heres my planned cycle:

    500mg/wk Test enan. (wks 1-12)

    300mg/wk Deca (wks 1-12)

    50mg/day Winstrol (wks 10-14)

    Then of course nolva and clomid ran throughout and clomid for post cycle recovery.....My question is can i run prop the first 4 or 5 weeks @200mg/eod to kickstart the cycle?? Would this be a good idea??

    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.L. Abbot
    Heres my planned cycle:

    500mg/wk Test enan. (wks 1-12)

    300mg/wk Deca (wks 1-12)

    50mg/day Winstrol (wks 10-14)

    Then of course nolva and clomid ran throughout and clomid for post cycle recovery.....My question is can i run prop the first 4 or 5 weeks @200mg/eod to kickstart the cycle?? Would this be a good idea??

    thanks
    Yes, you can (I'd use dbol to kick start, though - IMO - more effective and very complementary)

    Also, I don't think you need running both clomid and nolva through out the cycle. (nolva alone is enough) - But, use clomid for PCT, starting week 15 ----- 300/100/50.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiejay
    Yes, you can (I'd use dbol to kick start, though - IMO - more effective and very complementary)

    Also, I don't think you need running both clomid and nolva through out the cycle. (nolva alone is enough) - But, use clomid for PCT, starting week 15 ----- 300/100/50.

    Yeah i didn't mean to write that I was taking clomid and nolva throughout the cycle........But i will probably run liquidex @.5mg/eod and have nolva on hand in case any symptoms occur............And I would love to use Dbol but prop is all i have right now and im ready to start

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.L. Abbot
    Yeah i didn't mean to write that I was taking clomid and nolva throughout the cycle........But i will probably run liquidex @.5mg/eod and have nolva on hand in case any symptoms occur............And I would love to use Dbol but prop is all i have right now and im ready to start
    Sounds good,


    Hope you're not acne prone - because of the test fluctuation - just in case, might want to reduce the dose of prop by week 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rookiejay
    Yes, you can (I'd use dbol to kick start, though - IMO - more effective and very complementary)
    not meaning to hijack this thread, but why do you think dbol is 'more effective' than prop? gaining 10 pounds of water over 4 weeks isn't my idea of kick starting a cycle. plus, the discomfort of cottonmouth and insane lower back pumps and tweaks are just not for me.

    given the option to run dbol or prop to start, i will take prop any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daem
    not meaning to hijack this thread, but why do you think dbol is 'more effective' than prop? gaining 10 pounds of water over 4 weeks isn't my idea of kick starting a cycle. plus, the discomfort of cottonmouth and insane lower back pumps and tweaks are just not for me.

    given the option to run dbol or prop to start, i will take prop any day.
    No your not intervening on this thread, that is a question i would like to know the answer to..........I was going to always go with prop i just needed to make sure that it was a good idea to jumpstart it with.....

    thanks bros

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    I like to start and end with prop.

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    My vote is for the prop. ALso, extend the enanthate 1 week longer than the deca so the half lives match

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    Quote Originally Posted by daem
    not meaning to hijack this thread, but why do you think dbol is 'more effective' than prop? gaining 10 pounds of water over 4 weeks isn't my idea of kick starting a cycle. plus, the discomfort of cottonmouth and insane lower back pumps and tweaks are just not for me.

    given the option to run dbol or prop to start, i will take prop any day.


    This is my reasoning for Dbol being a more effectinve kick starter than Prop for a Test E based cycle. (over 8 weeks)

    We've discussed in the past few days (great study posted by bask8case - http://69.41.227.42/vbulletin/showth...threadid=63345 ), that effectiveness of an AS diminishes after 2 months (8 weeks) - to avoid that you could either increase the intake of AS or swicth to an AS that affects the receptors differently.

    Test Prop and Test Enan - affect receptors the same way, thus are the same AS for this purpose.

    By having prop as a starter for enan - your test receptors activated and get "adapted" to test levels immediately vs. 2 weeks if used test E only. As a result, the effectiveness of Test E shortens by 2 weeks (since the receptor began to adapt to test 2 weeks earlier) ---- that implies (using the above study) - in order for your cycle to be effective you will have to increase the dosage of Test E 6 weeks into the cycle.


    Having dbol as a kick starter - gives you the exact opposite effect. Your system doesn't get adapted to test till much later on, sice dbol "dominates" it. As a result, your entire 12 week cycle of test e is effectifve with one dosage.

    Having test prop as a kick starter for a short cycle (6 to 8 weeks) makes sence. However, for a longer - dbol is a more effective alternatimve.

    IMO

    Jay
    Last edited by Rookiejay; 09-02-2003 at 11:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G Child
    I like to start and end with prop.
    Ending with prop is a good way to keep your test levels steady up to PCT - thus, making your PCT more productive (keeping more muscle)

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    I think its a case of each to their own. I've done prop and Dbol to kick start and the that feeling of lower back pain ain't a problem - just ride it!
    That should only be around for a week or so!
    I'm doing dbol at the moment leading up to a comp just to give me an extra kick, along side Prop 100mg e/d and Test susp before training session.

    The pumps are great - I've gone through them now!

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