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    Just got back from the Doctor.

    Woke up feeling even worse this morning so I said helll with it and went to the doctor. He drew blood and the results came back with my blood sugar level was 217 (normal is 70-100 and anything over 126 is considered diabetic) and my potassium level was 2.5 (3.6-5 is normal). He said he was afraid I may be diabetic but the reason I feel so ****tty is because the potassium is way low. He gave me some supplements and said they should work pretty quick. He scheduled me a glucose test next week for a more definititive answer concerning the diabetes. My big question here is could the AAS be monkeying with my blood sugar to make it look diabetic? I know a lot of bros use insulin in their training so it made me wonder if my high blood sugar is a result from the Test and EQ? Have I gotten to the point where I should stop everything and start PCT? If one of the Doc's is out there please chime in your opinion.

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    I never mentioned any use of AAS to the doctor in case anyone was wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bake
    Woke up feeling even worse this morning so I said helll with it and went to the doctor. He drew blood and the results came back with my blood sugar level was 217 (normal is 70-100 and anything over 126 is considered diabetic) and my potassium level was 2.5 (3.6-5 is normal). He said he was afraid I may be diabetic but the reason I feel so ****tty is because the potassium is way low. He gave me some supplements and said they should work pretty quick. He scheduled me a glucose test next week for a more definititive answer concerning the diabetes. My big question here is could the AAS be monkeying with my blood sugar to make it look diabetic? I know a lot of bros use insulin in their training so it made me wonder if my high blood sugar is a result from the Test and EQ? Have I gotten to the point where I should stop everything and start PCT? If one of the Doc's is out there please chime in your opinion.

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    AAS can increase insulin insensitivity but not to that extent...I wouldn't think.
    What are you taking for anti e's? Increased estrogen can indirectly affect aldosterone levels and cause you to hold more sodium and drop potassium.....were your sodium levels elevated at all?

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    I'm no Dr but 217 is high, how long after your meal was this test taken?

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    Didn't have anything other than a half gallon of Gatorade before going to the doctor this morning. He said that should have raised my potassium up so it was probably even lower than the reading he got. I have no appetite at all. The weird thing is I have not lost any weight in the last week with the worst diet on the planet.

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    Gatorade contains fructose - if you drank it before the glucose test ,this is what caused it - fructose raises blood sugar very rapidly.

    Glucose tolerance tests should be done after fasting 8-12 hours, that means no drinks (unless non-caloric like a diet coke or such.)

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    He made no mention of sodium levels. I don't see how they could be high from intake because I never drink anything but water and Diet Sprite and don't care for salt added to food. As far as Anti-E's: I am .5mg EOD Arimidex and 20mg ED Nolva. Sorry about not getting back sooner I just took a 5.5 hour nap! And that was after sleeping 12 hours the night before. I feel like I have narcalepsy (sp?) or something. This really sucks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by einstein1905
    AAS can increase insulin insensitivity but not to that extent...I wouldn't think.
    What are you taking for anti e's? Increased estrogen can indirectly affect aldosterone levels and cause you to hold more sodium and drop potassium.....were your sodium levels elevated at all?

    Bump for the docs

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    That is why he did not do the glucose test today was because of that. He said it should never raised anywhere near that high but I had to wait until I had fasted before performing that test. It is scheduled for next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poantrex
    Gatorade contains fructose - if you drank it before the glucose test ,this is what caused it - fructose raises blood sugar very rapidly.

    Glucose tolerance tests should be done after fasting 8-12 hours, that means no drinks (unless non-caloric like a diet coke or such.)

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    good luck bro, glad to hear you finally decided to go see a doctor. i hope everything turns out for the best...

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    Are you using GH? That woulud probably be the cause if you are.

    If you're not using GH....and you were tested after fasting at least 8 hours, you're diabetic.

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    Bro glad you made it to the Docs - keep us posted on the Glucose Tolerance Test results - I am very interested in that - are you still continuing with the cycle ?

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    Tomorrow is shot day so I guess I'm going to go ahead take my normal test and eq doses. If the potassium supplements get working and I feel better by next Wednesday I will stay the course but if I don't get feeling better I guess its time to quit and PCT. I have a good friend from school who is a Urologist and I have thought about calling him and laying all the cards on the table. What do you think of that? I know it won't go past him. The family doc says that once the potassium increases I should feel a lot better but I am skeptical because I have been taking multi vitamins and drinking protein shakes so I should have had plenty of potassium in my system before this started. I guess its got to be the juice but it sure seems strange?????????

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerlifter
    Bro glad you made it to the Docs - keep us posted on the Glucose Tolerance Test results - I am very interested in that - are you still continuing with the cycle ?

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    I don't get people sometimes... they go to a Dr... and they tell them they don't feel good... then they leave out the most crucial information... I went and saw a doctor recently... I mentioned to the doc... hey this is COMPLETELY CONFIDENTIAL correct... and of course she said yes... so I told her of my intention to take steroids very soon and that I wanted to know if my heart was ok... (been having chest pains).. she TRIED to give me a run around... but I just said... I appreciate your professional opinion on the matter and don't ask you to condone it but regardless I am going to do them... is my heart going to be able to take it? and she said yes... Point being... if you tell them not to say anything... they aren't going to because they worked very hard to become doctors and don't want to throw it away just to "gossip"... tell the doctors what your doing so they can help you and give ideas... just my .02

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    I've got more resources than one doctor. I'm not even sure this is AS related so I really don't want my family doc making a notation of steroid use in my file. Is it confidential...fcuk no its not! Try getting some health insurance and stipulating on the application that they can't review your medical history. Thats not going to go too far. I gave my doc the symptons and was hopeful we could find something if we can't I'll go to my Urologist buddy and keep the conversation between the 2 of us. I have many friends who are docs but I don't really care to tell them I am juicing. The way I see this situation is try an entry level doc and maybe I'll get lucky and we can beat this thing but if I need to be on the level I have other options. First option being the bros here. Do you think taking Test, Tren , & Eq for 7 weeks made me diabetic in that length of time? Nobody else on the board seems to think so. I'm not really trying to be such a prick but I feel like sh*t and I am here looking for answers and advice from experienced users not lectures on patient/doctor confidentiality. If you believe in that I guess you will be looking forward to seeing the Easter bunny in a few weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
    I don't get people sometimes... they go to a Dr... and they tell them they don't feel good... then they leave out the most crucial information... I went and saw a doctor recently... I mentioned to the doc... hey this is COMPLETELY CONFIDENTIAL correct... and of course she said yes... so I told her of my intention to take steroids very soon and that I wanted to know if my heart was ok... (been having chest pains).. she TRIED to give me a run around... but I just said... I appreciate your professional opinion on the matter and don't ask you to condone it but regardless I am going to do them... is my heart going to be able to take it? and she said yes... Point being... if you tell them not to say anything... they aren't going to because they worked very hard to become doctors and don't want to throw it away just to "gossip"... tell the doctors what your doing so they can help you and give ideas... just my .02

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    wow calm down man... im sorry if I upset you.. maybe there is some fluctuation in your blood sugar and potassium related to the AS that you don't know about... not trying to cause a problem... none of us really know what is going on inside our bodies we just read and hope the information is good... I personally would talk to a doctor but you may have more to loose and feel it isn't appropriate for you... sorry I'm not the same and that I like to form my own opinions that contradict all the other AR members (all 5 of them that replied) No need to get mad at me man... that was kinda harsh.. just thought I was helping out.. good luck and I hope that you feel better.
    PS: I greatly look forward to the Easter Bunny....

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    Sorry

    Sorry dude, I was outta line. I know everybody here is for the good and that includes you. I just can't believe how bad I feel and when I get to feeling sick I can take things wrong. Just woke up a minute ago and my GD fever is 102.3. Something is about to have to give in this situation. My apologies for being such a dick. Hope were cool. I will PM this to you and post it here as well so everyone can see that I should not have bit your head off like that and I am trying to make it right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
    wow calm down man... im sorry if I upset you.. maybe there is some fluctuation in your blood sugar and potassium related to the AS that you don't know about... not trying to cause a problem... none of us really know what is going on inside our bodies we just read and hope the information is good... I personally would talk to a doctor but you may have more to loose and feel it isn't appropriate for you... sorry I'm not the same and that I like to form my own opinions that contradict all the other AR members (all 5 of them that replied) No need to get mad at me man... that was kinda harsh.. just thought I was helping out.. good luck and I hope that you feel better.
    PS: I greatly look forward to the Easter Bunny....

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    Dude, you need to GO BACK to the doctor.

    High blood glucose generally does not cause the symptoms you describe - it will make you dizzy and tired, but nothing like what you're feeling.

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    Hypokalemia impairs insulin release...so your high blood sugar may be secondary to an electrolyte imbalance caused by the AAS. Insulin causes a potassium shift into cells so your body isn't going to release insulin when you have low serum potassium.

    At your age and BF% it is unlikely you are developing diabetes, not impossible, but unlikely.

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    Also, you can tell your family Doc and tell him off the record and you do not want it in your charts. But I agree with the above, don't waste yours and your docs time giving them only half the story.

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    wow... now your running a temperature... I don't think that you are going to find any kind of solution on here that will really help... i didn't... just the good advice to go to a doctor... I appreciate the apology and there are no hard feelings... different people have different situations but I would think that your health is in danger and that seeing doctor is EXTREMELY important asap and telling him what is going on too... maybe its time to cut out the cycle... save the gear... and start some other time... Good Luck!

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    I did tell the doc I had been running a fever. He didn't pay much attention to what I said. I told him I was taking Advil for it and he said keep doing it. I told him that is seems to get higher as I am going to bed and stays pretty low during the day. Last night after waking up I felt really hot and had the shivers and all so I checked it and it was 102.3! The highest that is had been was a little over 101 and that is when I why I decided to go to the doctor. I just checked it a minute ago and for the first time in about 3 days I have a normal temp. I'm trying not to get too excited but I do feel better right now than I have in a while. I've only been up about 45 minutes so I don't want to get my hopes up too quickly. Maybe the potassium supplements are kicking in? Like I said earlier I don't have a lot of faith in the potassium supplements because I been taking a multi vitamin through the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
    wow... now your running a temperature... I don't think that you are going to find any kind of solution on here that will really help... i didn't... just the good advice to go to a doctor... I appreciate the apology and there are no hard feelings... different people have different situations but I would think that your health is in danger and that seeing doctor is EXTREMELY important asap and telling him what is going on too... maybe its time to cut out the cycle... save the gear... and start some other time... Good Luck!

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    Kinda funny how all this works. I have felt like one of the Browns floating in the bowl since for almost 10 days and am seriously considering ending the cycle. But its shot day and now I am second guessing myself!!!!!!

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    Nothing to seond guess bro, too many health issues to continue the cycle. Id wait proper length to start your pct and get checked out by a specialist

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    Yep, thats what I'm thinking.

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    I 'd hang off Bro - your health is too much to risk

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhornDr
    Hypokalemia impairs insulin release...so your high blood sugar may be secondary to an electrolyte imbalance caused by the AAS. Insulin causes a potassium shift into cells so your body isn't going to release insulin when you have low serum potassium.

    At your age and BF% it is unlikely you are developing diabetes, not impossible, but unlikely.

    A fasting blood glucose over 200 is diabetic - There is no AAS out there that will raise BG that drastically , or cause that much of an electrolyte imbalance - I measure mine regularly with a blood glucose meter and I noticed no extreme abnormalities with any AAS or PCT drug. At MOST, it will be about 10 points higher than normal - it is usually less.
    As I mentioned earlier, the only exception to this is GH which causes extreme
    insulin resistance.


    Again, I think he was misdiagnosed - blood sugar rarely if ever raises body temperature.

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    I know someone who was having similar problems including migranes and it turned out his gear was fake....ps...hope everything turns out ok.....get off everything and drink a **** load of water everyday to flush your system including a detox pill....a lot of serious complications can occur from fake gear including but not limited to blood clots and death.....peace

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    You raise and interesting point. I changed EQ "brands" when my source F'ed on the front end. He promised to have the amount I needed for the total cycle a few days later and never produced so I got it from another source. My problems have started about the same time I started shooting the new EQ. I did think of this and it made me wonder but the source was highly recommended from several checks I did. Who knows? How would you go about finding out if gear is bad or fake? I have a friend who is a compounding pharmacist is there some test that he could run to see if it is legit? I would rather ask you guys about it first since he is a straight laced professional and I would rather not bother him with something like that if there is nothing that could be done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbigdog69
    I know someone who was having similar problems including migranes and it turned out his gear was fake....ps...hope everything turns out ok.....get off everything and drink a **** load of water everyday to flush your system including a detox pill....a lot of serious complications can occur from fake gear including but not limited to blood clots and death.....peace

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    The Doc said come back in a week to have the glucose test but I think I am going to fast tomorrow and make them do it Monday or find a doctor that will. Really easy to put someone off for a week when you don't feel like they do. I bet if that Doc felt as ****y as I do he would have had every specialist in the country trying to figure out what the problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poantrex
    A fasting blood glucose over 200 is diabetic - There is no AAS out there that will raise BG that drastically , or cause that much of an electrolyte imbalance - I measure mine regularly with a blood glucose meter and I noticed no extreme abnormalities with any AAS or PCT drug. At MOST, it will be about 10 points higher than normal - it is usually less.
    As I mentioned earlier, the only exception to this is GH which causes extreme
    insulin resistance.


    Again, I think he was misdiagnosed - blood sugar rarely if ever raises body temperature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poantrex
    A fasting blood glucose over 200 is diabetic - There is no AAS out there that will raise BG that drastically , or cause that much of an electrolyte imbalance - I measure mine regularly with a blood glucose meter and I noticed no extreme abnormalities with any AAS or PCT drug. At MOST, it will be about 10 points higher than normal - it is usually less.
    As I mentioned earlier, the only exception to this is GH which causes extreme
    insulin resistance.


    Again, I think he was misdiagnosed - blood sugar rarely if ever raises body temperature.
    It wasn't his fasting glucose level that was 200+....it was just a spot test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poantrex
    A fasting blood glucose over 200 is diabetic - There is no AAS out there that will raise BG that drastically , or cause that much of an electrolyte imbalance - I measure mine regularly with a blood glucose meter and I noticed no extreme abnormalities with any AAS or PCT drug. At MOST, it will be about 10 points higher than normal - it is usually less.
    As I mentioned earlier, the only exception to this is GH which causes extreme
    insulin resistance.


    Again, I think he was misdiagnosed - blood sugar rarely if ever raises body temperature.
    A fasting blood glucose over 200 is not diabetic. I can think of about 30 things offhand that could cause a hyperglycemic episode. A hyper-aldosterone-like state is very possible with an aromatizable steroid like test, which could very easily lead to a potassium imbalance and subsequent hyperglycemia.

    No offense but your personal exp. means nothing....any given individual could have a different reaction to a drug.

    I'm willing to bet his blood sugar returns to normal when his potassium balance is restored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhornDr
    A fasting blood glucose over 200 is not diabetic. I can think of about 30 things offhand that could cause a hyperglycemic episode. A hyper-aldosterone-like state is very possible with an aromatizable steroid like test, which could very easily lead to a potassium imbalance and subsequent hyperglycemia.

    No offense but your personal exp. means nothing....any given individual could have a different reaction to a drug.

    I'm willing to bet his blood sugar returns to normal when his potassium balance is restored.
    Longhorn DR you know your ****. I have yet to read a post of yours that wasn't solid. What are you a doc or med student?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toolman
    Longhorn DR you know your ****. I have yet to read a post of yours that wasn't solid. What are you a doc or med student?
    He's a doc

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    Quote Originally Posted by longhornDr
    A fasting blood glucose over 200 is not diabetic. I can think of about 30 things offhand that could cause a hyperglycemic episode. A hyper-aldosterone-like state is very possible with an aromatizable steroid like test, which could very easily lead to a potassium imbalance and subsequent hyperglycemia.

    No offense but your personal exp. means nothing....any given individual could have a different reaction to a drug.

    I'm willing to bet his blood sugar returns to normal when his potassium balance is restored.
    Sure, a single test at over 200 isn't necessarily an indicator of diabetes - but if he scores in that range consistently he is most definitely one.

    The normal range is below 126, and a normal healthy person usually is below 85.

    Anyways, I don't know of ANYONE that has had abnormal BG readings from the usage of AAS - nor anyone that used AAS that led to a electrolyte imbalance. With diuretics, sure...but AAS? Not to a large extent at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poantrex
    Sure, a single test at over 200 isn't necessarily an indicator of diabetes - but if he scores in that range consistently he is most definitely one.

    The normal range is below 126, and a normal healthy person usually is below 85.

    Anyways, I don't know of ANYONE that has had abnormal BG readings from the usage of AAS - nor anyone that used AAS that led to a electrolyte imbalance. With diuretics, sure...but AAS? Not to a large extent at all.

    AAS can and does cause insulin insensitivity.
    Like I said before, elevated estrogen levels can cause increased aldosterone levels, which can lead to hypokalemia.

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    No joke, but It DOES NOT cause it to that extent. Jesus christ, AAS won't cause your fasting BG to go from say, 70...to over 200.

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    It was not his fasting BG....it was a spot test after 1/2 gallon of gatorade....far from a fasting reading.
    How is it that you have access to enough clinical data on AAS use that you can conclude exactly what AAS will and will not do to any one person?
    Last time I checked, the clinical data on AAS is incredibly limited....so much so that no one feels confident enough to make any such definitive conclusions about AAS and their effects.

    Quote Originally Posted by poantrex
    No joke, but It DOES NOT cause it to that extent. Jesus christ, AAS won't cause your fasting BG to go from say, 70...to over 200.

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    I misread what the original poster stated - Sounds like the gatorade is the culprit here (lots of simple sugars).

    Anyway, AAS destroys insulin sensitivity, but not to a HUGE extent. 10 points higher at most, from what i've seen.

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    Nobody else thinks the Gatorade is the culprit. It only kept him from being able to do the 3 hour test that day. Doc said yeah Gatorade has a ton of fructose in it but it could never affect BS to that extent. He says he knows my BS is jacked too high even if I had only drank water that morning but it was senseless to do a glucose test until I had fasted. Thanks for taking an interest in all this hopefully we can get this figured out soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by poantrex
    I misread what the original poster stated - Sounds like the gatorade is the culprit here (lots of simple sugars).

    Anyway, AAS destroys insulin sensitivity, but not to a HUGE extent. 10 points higher at most, from what i've seen.

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    How soon after drinking the gatorade did you take the test? A half gallon of gatorade has probably near 400 calories and a ton of sugars - if you took the test very closely to when it was consumed, it is likely to be the culprit - simple sugars generally cause a _huge_ rise in BG that attenuates rapidly, usually within an hour or two.

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