Testicals shrank.... help

[H_U_G_O]

guys my testicals shrank on test e cycle i'm on week 8, althought i'm taking 500 i.u's HCG everything 5th day anyway idea wat would be the cause ?
Ps: having sex 3 4 times/week sometimes twice/day would that be the cause ?

[LeroyB]

How much Test E and is that and the HCG all you have been on the whole 8 weeks.
Age / Weight / BF%?

[Kibble]

Bunk HCG ?

[H_U_G_O]

23 years
6'0
88 kg b4 cycle 99 kg on week 8
13.4 % bf

500mg testoviron (Enth) twice/week monday morning thursday evening, friday i take 500 i.u hcg been like that for the whole 8 weeks i just noticed that my testicals shrank too much..

[H_U_G_O]

i'm taking Pregnyl (hcg )

[LeroyB]

So your @ 1000TestE a week and 500 IU HCG (is this 1 shot or two).
"my testicals shrank too much.. " <- how much is too much?

Bunk HCG?

Thats a damn good guess.

[dec11]

Bunk HCG?

very unlikely, not done by the fakers unless blatantly

[dec11]

im on the same protocol, well e5d, and still have had a bit of shrinkage

[H_U_G_O]

So your @ 1000TestE a week and 500 IU HCG (is this 1 shot or two).
"my testicals shrank too much.. " <- how much is too much?
Thats a damn good guess.

no i'm on 500 mg test/week 250 mg in 1 injection twice/week,
tsticals shrank to a level that the balls went inside lol that much

[H_U_G_O]

im on the same protocol, well e5d, and still have had a bit of shrinkage

ya i followed ur protocol if u remember

[H_U_G_O]

Bunk HCG?

it's from a pharmacy, to be exact how i'm using it, since i couldnt find a sterile vial, i took the 1500 i.u in 1 ml and wasted some of it i kept 0.33 ml and injected it which is supposed to be equal to 500 i.u, and the doctor at the pharmacy was injecting it for me...

[LeroyB]

This sounds vastly fail prone.
You mixed it in a non-sterile vial - then took it to the pharmacy to be injected?

Im so lost.

[H_U_G_O]

This sounds vastly fail prone.
You mixed it in a non-sterile vial - then took it to the pharmacy to be injected?

Im so lost.

No, i didn't mix anything, the pharmacist did, 1500 i.u's with sterile water in a syring got rid of some of it and kept 0.33 ml which is = to 500 i.u, 1500 i'u in 1 ml / 3 = 500 i.u in each 0.33 ml thats wat i meant

[dec11]

why would he waste some, sounds decidedly dodgy to me

[LeroyB]

No, i didn't mix anything, the pharmacist did, 1500 i.u's with sterile water in a syring got rid of some of it and kept 0.33 ml which is = to 500 i.u, 1500 i'u in 1 ml / 3 = 500 i.u in each 0.33 ml thats wat i meant

If the pharm is doing it what does "couldnt find a sterile vial" mean. They have plenty of them I would assume.

[fig]

Do you keep it in the fridge? I'm no expert, I just saw another thread like this a few days ago and that turned out to be the issue.

[Hazard]

Start doing 250iu's monday - wednesday - friday..... Lower doses spread out are better than larger doses less often IMO.....

~Haz~

[LeroyB]

Do you keep it in the fridge? I'm no expert, I just saw another thread like this a few days ago and that turned out to be the issue.

Didn't he say a pharmisist was shooting him?

[fig]

Didn't he say a pharmisist was shooting him?

Did he? My bad. I get lazy and don't read through entire threads. I just scanned it for refrigerator.



^^That's me kicking my own nuts

[LeroyB]

I think so - this trhead hurts my mind.
No clear information!
You can have it!

[H_U_G_O]

what is not clear about it ? lol i already told u everything, i pay the pharmacy for the hcg they keep it there in the refrigerator, i come to the pharmacy tell him i need 500i.us of hcg he adds the 1500 i.us in 1 ml throw 0.66 ml away and keeps 0.33 and he injects them, 1500 i,u's in 1 ml/3 = 500 i.u/0.33 ml ... clearn enough ?
does it effects if i'm doing it 1 day b4 test injections ?
anyway just another advice from guys who knws about this, i'm about to end my cycle this week shall i take the last 500 i.u shot or continue with them ? or just take a higher dosage, thanks for the replies though

[LeroyB]

I am almost with you - explain this one.

i took the 1500 i.u in 1 ml and wasted some of it

Did you spill it?
Did the pharmacy spill it?

[KimboHalfSlice]

what is not clear about it ? lol i already told u everything, i pay the pharmacy for the hcg they keep it there in the refrigerator, i come to the pharmacy tell him i need 500i.us of hcg he adds the 1500 i.us in 1 ml throw 0.66 ml away and keeps 0.33 and he injects them, 1500 i,u's in 1 ml/3 = 500 i.u/0.33 ml ... clearn enough ?

Sounds dodgy as hell. I hope you're in a "developed country", because I sure as hell wouldn't do this in South East Asia.

There's no reason to be wasting any hCG . It's a simple process:
1) You start off with hCG powder
2) You add water to it in a vial
3) You keep it in the fridge
4) Every few days you draw some liquid out of the vial to inject

At no point is there a need to waste any hCG. Also, depending on whether you're in a "developed" country or not, the pharmacist may be tempted to earn a little extra money by watering down your hCG too much.

does it effects if i'm doing it 1 day b4 test injections ?
anyway just another advice from guys who knws about this, i'm about to end my cycle this week shall i take the last 500 i.u shot or continue with them ? or just take a higher dosage, thanks for the replies though

Well there's one point I'd like to mention. I'm surprised I'm the only person that ever brings this up: The half life of hCG is about 3 days. So I agree with Haz's suggestion of injecting more frequently.

For my own next cycle, I'm gonna be taking about 200iu every 2nd day.

You can inject hCG into the fat on your belly, there's no need for you to be going to a pharmacy to have some dude inject you. I realise that injecting into muscle can be frightening for first-timers, but injecting into the fat on your belly is piss easy, you don't even have to aspirate .

[LeroyB]

The half life of hCG is about 3 days.

Source of this info please.

[KimboHalfSlice]

Source of this info please.

If you do a Google search for "half-life hCG ", you can read through the search results without actually clicking on any of them. Here's some of them:

After delivery hCG falls with a half life of 1 - 2 days

HCG half life was 3.0 +/- 0.5 days in 10 patients with a linear AHL

Among 37 patients with the two successive HCG values elevated, those who later achieved CR had a median HCG half-life of 4.2 days (n = 10)

the half life of HCG is approximately 4 to 5 days.

I took somewhere in the middle, about 3 days.

Of course everybody's body is different and so the half-life will be different for everyone. I know that Testosterone leaves my body more quickly than the average person because my sex drive took a nose dive before I even got a chance to begin PCT for my last cycle. That's why I start my PCT about 33% sooner than what is recommended (e.g. 10 days instead of 15 days).

[LeroyB]

Thanks.

[H_U_G_O]

I am almost with you - explain this one.

Did you spill it?
Did the pharmacy spill it?

yep spilled 0.66 and kept 0.33 which is supposed to be equal to 500 i.u

[H_U_G_O]

i got the point i'm thankful, but still no1 answered me for when to stop it... as i said my last 2 injections are this week, shall i take 1 last 500 i.u after the last injection or keep on taking it till i start the pct ?

[KimboHalfSlice]

i got the point i'm thankful, but still no1 answered me for when to stop it... as i said my last 2 injections are this week, shall i take 1 last 500 i.u after the last injection or keep on taking it till i start the pct ?

Is hCG expensive where you live? If not, then I'd say just buy some more of it. This time, just buy the hCG powder, DON'T let them mix it for you.

If you get Pregnyl 5000iu, you can use it as follows:

1) Add 2.5ml of water to it so that every 0.1ml will contain 200iu
2) Keep it in the fridge
3) Every second day, inject 0.1ml of it subcutaneously into the fat on your stomach using an insulin syringe (that's the 10 mark on an insulin syringe).

Here's a video of a guy mixing hCG:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI9Ugxn0wHc

And here's a video of a guy doing subcutaneous injection into the fat of the stomach (he's a diabetic shooting insulin):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_zuI...eature=related

And watch how a 4-year-old doesn't even flinch when she receives an injection into stomach fat:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=023fu...eature=related

[H_U_G_O]

hehe thanks for the info, i appreciate it so i stop when i start the pct and no its not expensive...

[KimboHalfSlice]

I'd stop taking the hCG on the same day you stop taking your last steroid . Then I'd take nothing for 10 days or so and then start PCT.

[dec11]

I'd stop taking the hCG on the same day you stop taking your last steroid. Then I'd take nothing for 10 days or so and then start PCT.

not true, take it for two weeks afta last test injection then 3-5 days later start pct, rem this guy almond is 22 and full of silly ideas

[KimboHalfSlice]

not true, take it for two weeks afta last test injection then 3-5 days later start pct

There's the old saying: When stress is applied to a system, the system will re-adjust to relieve the stress applied

If you inject a load of androgens into you, your HPTA will re-adjust by reducing the amount of androgens it produces (which of course means testicular atrophy).

In order for your HPTA to get back to normal, you actually need for it to sense that something is wrong, you actually need for it to sense that androgen levels are low so that it will be motivated to increase androgen production.

If you stop taking hCG after your last injection of steroids ... then as the steroids leave your system and as the hCG leaves your system, your androgen level will take a nose dive, and your HPTA will react by increasing androgen production.

If you continue taking hCG, then your androgen levels will never drop, and your HPTA will have no reason to increase androgen production.

The idea at the end of it all is to wean yourself off all drugs so that your body is back working exactly the way it was before you cycled.

Anyway look I'm not a doctor. I just have my own theories, which make sense to me at the time of writing. Of course the best way to prove somebody wrong is to actually do a study and produce statistics.

Until we have statistics though, my own belief is that you should cease hCG and steroids at the same time so that your HPTA has a reason to increase androgen production.

I'm sure that Declan's idea will work, but I believe that my method would work a little bit better. Of course I'm always open to hear the expert opinion of an endocrinologist, or even better to read the statistics given by a particular study. Until then, you can just listen to my reasoning, and listen to Declan's reasoning, and decide which you agree with more.

[chuckt12345]

not sure why people worry about shrunkin testicles on cycle,, theyll grow back

[KimboHalfSlice]

not sure why people worry about shrunkin testicles on cycle,, theyll grow back

Well there's the 1% of people whose testicles get withered too much to ever work properly again.

But even for the other 99% of us, there's the question of whether testicles will regain all the "strength" that they once had. Before my first cycle I would have considered myself a bit of a Peter North in terms of seminal volume, but now I'm just about average.