Johnny B says.........

**Grappler13** · 03-12-2006, 08:57 PM

"Using HCG during a cycle, anything over 10 weeks or the use of any 19-nor. Needs to have HCG run with the cycle, 300-500iu every 3-5 days. Run it up to one week before you start PCT."

Basics of cycling

I trust JB. However, I am about to start week eleven of twelve of test e @ 500mg/wk. Nuts are OK but tight to the body but its freakin' cold most of the time and has been for most of my cycle. Bros say to run the test for 12weeks and I have the gear but Don't want raisin nuts.

I know everyone is different but.............PLEASE, final advice before I go to week eleven tomorrow. My gains have been really good thus far and am happy but if weeks eleven and 12 are real gainers for anwebie then........

HELP!

**Kale** · 03-12-2006, 08:59 PM

No need to run it firther, the nuts wont shrink in the two weeks left thats for sure

**Grappler13** · 03-12-2006, 09:10 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

No need to run it firther, the nuts wont shrink in the two weeks left thats for sure

So you think that 10 weeks in sufficient for a`first timer?

**Kale** · 03-12-2006, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by Grappler13

So you think that 10 weeks in sufficient for a`first timer?

absolutely. Most first timers dont do HCG at all

**cfiler** · 03-12-2006, 09:12 PM

You should be fine, but in my opinion it's always better to be safe than sorry.

**Pinnacle** · 03-12-2006, 09:14 PM

Originally Posted by Grappler13

"Using HCG during a cycle, anything over 10 weeks or the use of any 19-nor. Needs to have HCG run with the cycle, 300-500iu every 3-5 days. Run it up to one week before you start PCT."

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That is only an opinion or suggestion.You realize how many ppl run cycles without ever using HCG and recover just fine?Thousands upon thousands bro...........

~Pinnacle~

**Grappler13** · 03-12-2006, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Kale

absolutely. Most first timers dont do HCG at all

Kale: can you offer any benefits / disadvantages to going an extra two weeks. Lotso fo bros here seem to think that the eleventh and twelvth week really solidify the gains...Several said twleve was the gold standard. I don;t go in for slogans but I'm into ten and have extra enth. I've read your many posts and respect your opinion....it is greatly appreciated.

**Kale** · 03-12-2006, 09:22 PM

Bro, everyone reacts differently to juice. Some guys get the most out of just 8 weeks and then the gains drop off, others swear by 14 or 15 weeks. 12 weeks is pretty much a rule of thumb IMO. I would go with 12 weeks just to get the most out of what you have got. How much have you gained in 10 weeks and what have the gains been like in the last three weeks ? If they have really started to drop off you probably wont get much more by cointinuing, but if you are still getting good gains I would go with 12 weeks

**Ufa** · 03-12-2006, 09:22 PM

You got the plan man.

**Grappler13** · 03-12-2006, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

That is only an opinion or suggestion.You realize how many ppl run cycles without ever using HCG and recover just fine?Thousands upon thousands bro...........

~Pinnacle~

My real question is whether to stop now and have run a ten weeker or go another two. I'm all up for opinions and need to take a shot tomorow if I decide to go for 12 weeks. What do y'all think?

**SS1476** · 03-13-2006, 04:53 PM

Originally Posted by Grappler13

My real question is whether to stop now and have run a ten weeker or go another two. I'm all up for opinions and need to take a shot tomorow if I decide to go for 12 weeks. What do y'all think?

I would go for the 12, but that me.

**stocky121** · 03-13-2006, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

That is only an opinion or suggestion.You realize how many ppl run cycles without ever using HCG and recover just fine?Thousands upon thousands bro...........

~Pinnacle~

agreed i've run a 20 week cycle with tren in and recovered just fine off clomid nolva and l-dex

**Grappler13** · 03-13-2006, 04:56 PM

I'm going for 12. Gains are still coming. I'll keep y'all posted. Wish I had taken better befores.

**SS1476** · 03-13-2006, 05:00 PM

Next time you know. Have it all
on hand and use it if need be.
Good luck

***Narkissos*** · 03-13-2006, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Pinnacle

That is only an opinion or suggestion.You realize how many ppl run cycles without ever using HCG and recover just fine?Thousands upon thousands bro...........

~Pinnacle~

Not discounting JB's advice.. but 'tis true.. thousands upon thousands have run cycles without hcg.. and recovered just fine.

Originally Posted by Grappler13

My real question is whether to stop now and have run a ten weeker or go another two. I'm all up for opinions and need to take a shot tomorow if I decide to go for 12 weeks. What do y'all think?

Did you have a 'plan' before you started this cycle?

i.e. did you say "hey imma run test-E for 12 weeks?"

If the answer to that is 'yes'.. my advice would be to: stick to the plan

Honestly there're very few reasons i'd change anything mid-cycle:

¤ side effects manifested
¤ something happened to my gear
¤ gains reduced or stopped..

That's the short-list.

Stick to your original plan man.. provided such exists

Good luck

~Nark