Deca and ?

**blacksmith** · 10-04-2008, 03:50 AM

Ill cut is short

- was thinking of doing dbol + test E
- want to do deca instead (less water retention and less sides)
- what test would be best to stack it with, for mass building

Sust250 or Test E or ?

Any help would be great thanks!

**user12345654321** · 10-04-2008, 04:06 AM

i'm only a noob (just started my first cycle, 500mg test e wk + 20mg dbol week 1-4). but from what i have read on this site and many others. test e would be better than sust, and water retention is mostly down to diet and water intake.
i'm also running provirion at 50mg ed during cycle and pct.

**Kale** · 10-04-2008, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by user12345654321

i'm only a noob (just started my first cycle, 500mg test e wk + 20mg dbol week 1-4). but from what i have read on this site and many others. test e would be better than sust, and water retention is mostly down to diet and water intake.
i'm also running provirion at 50mg ed during cycle and pct.

Thats not true dude, water retention is very much a by product of certain steroids .

As for the initial question Test E is preferable over sust IMO but some think Sust is OK, at the end of the day Test is Test and the Esters are the only differing factor.

What are your age and stats ? To the inital poster

**user12345654321** · 10-04-2008, 05:18 AM

thanks for the correction, not to hijack the thread but am i right in thinnking that diet and water intake are a major part of it?

**stpete** · 10-04-2008, 05:21 AM

No...You're going to bloat regardless when using dbol . If not, something's wrong imo.

**user12345654321** · 10-04-2008, 05:45 AM

even with the provirion and at such a low dose?

**blacksmith** · 10-04-2008, 06:14 AM

Yea thats why i thought against Dbol - because of the bloat.

22 years old
198cm
98kg
approx 15% bf

been lifting for 4 years

so deca and test e....how much deca for how long?

week 1-10 Deca (how much, how often?)
week 1-12 test E (still 500mg p/w in 2 shots, every 3.5 days?)

**LATS60** · 10-04-2008, 06:22 AM

Don't think that deca and test won't bloat you, it will, if your that worried about it use a low dose AI on cycle, as for dosage mate i'd go for 400mg WK in 1 shot if your deca is dosed at 200mg/ml +.

**lelyano23** · 10-04-2008, 06:22 AM

half life of deca is 21 days
and u really must add proviron +letro in ur cycle

**LATS60** · 10-04-2008, 06:25 AM

Originally Posted by lelyano23

half life of deca is 21 days
and u really must add proviron +letro in ur cycle

With respect mate proviron isn't a must, and deca has a half life/active life of 14-15 days.

**lelyano23** · 10-04-2008, 06:59 AM

yea am sorry its 15 days for active life for deca
but when i answerd i was thinking in when u will see the results of it
sorry again

**Roshambo** · 10-04-2008, 07:55 AM

At your age Deca can be a not so good choice as it will shut down your HPTA function and your Natty Test will cease to flow thus if you want to have kids within a year upon completion of your cycle then fine but otherwise you will find it very difficult, also my preference is Test Cyp 200mg E3D and Deca EW. seems to respond well for me. with the use of Deca I hope that you have a good no great PCT in place, you will need it.

**Roshambo** · 10-04-2008, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by lelyano23

yea am sorry its 15 days for active life for deca
but when i answerd i was thinking in when u will see the results of it
sorry again

Actually Deca has an active half life at about 10 days out, not 15.

**LATS60** · 10-04-2008, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by pumarjr

Actually Deca has an active half life at about 10 days out, not 15.

With respect mate, having kids will not be a problem, thats just scaremongering and deca has a HL of 14-15 days as i said earlier.

**Roshambo** · 10-04-2008, 09:08 AM

I could be wrong and if I am then ok, but from what i've always read is that Deca is active with stable blood levels at about 10 days, And secondly Deca is prescribed as a Male Contraceptive as one of it's uses.
If my information is inaccurate then I apologize.

**blacksmith** · 10-04-2008, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by pumarjr

At your age Deca can be a not so good choice as it will shut down your HPTA function and your Natty Test will cease to flow thus if you want to have kids within a year upon completion of your cycle then fine but otherwise you will find it very difficult, also my preference is Test Cyp 200mg E3D and Deca EW. seems to respond well for me. with the use of Deca I hope that you have a good no great PCT in place, you will need it.

Hmm what else would you recommend for a good mass building stack, that wont screw your natty test that much that you cant have kids with in a year or so?

cheers for the info guys.

**Kale** · 10-04-2008, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by blacksmith

Hmm what else would you recommend for a good mass building stack, that wont screw your natty test that much that you cant have kids with in a year or so?

cheers for the info guys.

Dude ignore the comments about Deca stopping you from having kids, its wrong. Now ALL steroids will shut down your HPTA mot just Deca, that is unavoidable !! The idea is to make sure you do a good PCT at the end of the cycle to make sure your HPTA restarts