Deca or Tren... Or Both????

[bradhore]

Going to start another cycle mid september, got test cyp and tren waiting and ready to use, but ive had a sudden change of thought, may want to use deca instead of tren as i want to gain more mass, what shall i do? or even both?????????????

[Dukkit]

you know the routine...

stats?

[HawaiianPride.]

^Si, more info is needed.

[bradhore]

Age 23
Height 5ft 10
Bf 10%
205 lbs

Done around 10 cycles, consisting of the usuals, test, tren , deca , winstrol , dbol , etc

[HawaiianPride.]

Many get this idea that Deca is the God of all Anabolics for mass. This is highly untrue. You can gain great mass off any Tren /Test/19nor ester. The only difference is the water each bring.

I personally favor Tren over Deca. I've gained mass from both Enanthate and Acetate from the Tren line. What determines your mass retention is diet/training.

So the choice is yours really.

[Dukkit]

Age 23
Height 5ft 10
Bf 10%
205 lbs

Done around 10 cycles, consisting of the usuals, test, tren, deca, winstrol, dbol, etc

well if youve done that many cycles

then go head and use both the tren and deca

its fun

[bradhore]

more side effects though im assuming??

if you could choose either one between tren and deca for mass and strength what would u choose!

[Dukkit]

more side effects though im assuming??

if you could choose either one between tren and deca for mass and strength what would u choose!

not more side effects

lets say tren is a side effect rating of 8.

deca is a 4.

if you run them together....

your sides wont be 12.

theyll stay an 8.

get me? (saying on average, everyone i know hasnt had any worse sides then normal tren sides)

and i love tren. so ill always vote in favor of it. lol

[bradhore]

not more side effects

lets say tren is a side effect rating of 8.

deca is a 4.

if you run them together....

your sides wont be 12.

theyll stay an 8.

get me? (saying on average, everyone i know hasnt had any worse sides then normal tren sides)

and i love tren. so ill always vote in favor of it. lol

ok cheers dude

[Knockout_Power]

You can gain great mass off any Tren/Test/19nor ester. .

he's right.. Deca does not mean ultimate mass builder. People mistake a lot of the weight gain from deca as solid lean mass when it is a lot of water weight as well. I prefer Tren to Deca anyday... now if you changed the Deca to NPP, thats a different story... just came to love the NPP

[HawaiianPride.]

did you mean Test/19 nor/ DHT? Tren = 19 nor

either way, he's right.. Deca does not mean ultimate mass builder. People mistake a lot of the weight gain from deca as solid lean mass when it is a lot of water weight as well. I prefer Tren to Deca anyday... now if you changed the Deca to NPP, thats a different story... just came to love the NPP

When I said 19nor I was specifically referring to NPP :]

[Knockout_Power]

more side effects though im assuming??

if you could choose either one between tren and deca for mass and strength what would u choose!

people tend to build up the 19's sides too much... Ive never gone with high doses, but Ive also not seen the nasty sides from it... I dont get Prog sides nor prolactin sides that some claim.

the key is to know your body and know how it reacts, this is the best way to build a cycle, no one can tell you what will work best for your body.

What doses were you thinking of running for each compound?

[Knockout_Power]

When I said 19nor I was specifically referring to NPP :]

sorry bro... I will retract statement... NPP is da shite.

[HawaiianPride.]

I heart it.

[bradhore]

people tend to build up the 19's sides too much... Ive never gone with high doses, but Ive also not seen the nasty sides from it... I dont get Prog sides nor prolactin sides that some claim.

the key is to know your body and know how it reacts, this is the best way to build a cycle, no one can tell you what will work best for your body.

What doses were you thinking of running for each compound?

700mg test cyp p/w
400mg tren p/w

[Knockout_Power]

700mg test cyp p/w
400mg tren p/w

there ya have it... those are some good numbers... if PCT is in order and you have some on cycle goodies like AI's, progest combatants and maybe some HCG then I'd say go for it... simple and highly effective.

best of luck, keep us posted

--KP

[Gaspari1255]

700mg test cyp p/w
400mg tren p/w

That kind of seems like low dose for a guy who has done 10 cycles.

[bradhore]

yeah ofcourse, cycle will be nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 100/50/50/50 and also about 1000iu of hcg per week for 4 weeks

[bradhore]

That kind of seems like low dose for a guy who has done 10 cycles.

Ive done upto 950mg before and didnt notice and difference apart from more side effects!

[Knockout_Power]

Ive done upto 950mg before and didnt notice and difference apart from more side effects!

again, comes down to knowing your body... sounds like you know your sweet spot... trying to find that next level where you see profound gains can be a hard challenge. Smaller gains with minimal sides is an awesome cycle if you are not in a rush...

I just finished 4th cycle and Im loving it... Sust was 600 and NPP was 450

[HawaiianPride.]

again, comes down to knowing your body... sounds like you know your sweet spot... trying to find that next level where you see profound gains can be a hard challenge. Smaller gains with minimal sides is an awesome cycle if you are not in a rush...

I just finished 4th cycle and Im loving it... Sust was 600 and NPP was 450

Not to hijack, but give T-P/Mast/NPP a go. God created the earth on this stack.

[Knockout_Power]

Not to hijack, but give T-P/Mast/NPP a go. God created the earth on this stack.

Im not lean enough to use mast... I missed tren in my stack

Sust/Tren E/NPP

I really want to try mast but I was told it is for one purpose, contest prep and "the look" only lasts a couple weeks

[HawaiianPride.]

When you get sub-10 go for it. In fact my favorite was T-A/TrenA/Mast. Whoever created God was on this stack.

[Knockout_Power]

When you get sub-10 go for it. In fact my favorite was T-A/TrenA/Mast. Whoever created God was on this stack.

awesome... I will try really hard to cut during this 6 week cruise.

[iceman86]

i started sus325,deca300,and tri-tren150 two weeks ago and im happy with it so far. Cant wait for it to fully kick in but if i were to choose now i think i would have gone with npp instead of deca .

[Dukkit]

Im not lean enough to use mast... I missed tren in my stack

Sust/Tren E/NPP

I really want to try mast but I was told it is for one purpose, contest prep and "the look" only lasts a couple weeks

the strength i got off Mast was more then ive gotten from Tren. ill say that much

[bradhore]

awesome... I will try really hard to cut during this 6 week cruise.

You going to lower your carb intake?

You dont look like youve got much bf from your picture

[Knockout_Power]

You going to lower your carb intake?

You dont look like youve got much bf from your picture

yah, Im going to hard cut for the first 3 weeks, then moderate carbs for 2 weeks then carb deplete for the week before I blast next cycle.

Im currently about 13-14% I think