Mass bulk cycle with best recover cycle 16 weeks. Test e deca

[athletic.guy]

Planning my next cycle, Let me know what u think.

34 yrs old, 10+ years in the gym. Over 10 cycles mainly cutting with test e, tren e, masteron , t3, hgh, etc. But also used Deca , dbol , winny in the past.

Next cycle will be longest.

I'm currently at 220 12%bf,


800 mg test e week 1-20
500 mg deca, week 1-12
700 mg eq week 1-16

Caber 0.25 mg twice a week 2-14

HCG 250 iu 2 times week 2-22

Arimadex 0.5mg ed week 2 -22

Pct clomid 100, 75, 50 50,
Nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20, 20, 20.


Let me know about my updates.

[Rida5d]

Start hcg from 1st week.
Nandrolone is a bit tough on Hpta.
I think that ur dosage for clomid is on the high side.
IMO , every time u cycle u are eating a bit from ur TT Levels..
Best recovery? Nothing is for sure.

[athletic.guy]

I prefer to wait a few weeks before starting Pregnyl. But that's just me....

I dropped the clomid a ill bit too.

I recover real quick on tren but want to give deca another shot.

[athletic.guy]

I just threw in some Proviron , Cialis, and possibly PT-141 to really keep things going between cycles...

[king6 II]

Planning my next cycle, trying to maximise post cycle hormone recovery and libido. Let me know what u think.

34 yrs old, 10+ years in the gym. Over 10 cycles mainly cutting with test e, tren e, masteron , t3, hgh, etc. But also used Deca , dbol , winny in the past.

Next cycle will be longest.

I'm currently at 210lbs 9% bf,

750-1000mg test e week 1-16
400-500 mg deca, week 1-12
Dbol 60mg ed week 1-4

Caber 0.5 mg twice a week 2-18

HCG 500 iu twice week 4-18

Arimadex 0.5mg eod - e3d week 2 -18

Pct clomid 150, 100, 75, 50,
Nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20, 20, 20.

Pretty simple cycle.

Only paranoid about libido recovery from deca....

Might be a good idea to start 1mg ed of PT-141, 10mg cialis, and 25-50mg proviron as a bridge just to keep my cardio up in the bedroom...

I can not speak from first hand experience as I have never run deca however, I have run letro with a PH cycle which essentially killed my sex drive so I can relate. Have you ever run caber before? I'm not for or against it, I just personally don't like screwing with my pituitary gland. I have always been fearful of long term problems. But then again I was single when I ran tren, so libido was not a top concern. Also as androgenic as tren was all I wanted to do was fvck. I have ran Dbol before and honestly am not really a fan of it. Great size and strength gains almost immediately but they seem to dissipate once you cease using them, and then the test takes over. I guess I just never thought dbol was worth the sides that came along with it. Test and deca seems like a solid cycle, you seem to be following the right path with running test twice as high as deca, that should help with libo issues. If you have run over 10 cycles then those doses, although high, I guess would be appropriate.

[OdinsOtherSon]

hcg from 1st pin of test, lower clomid to 100/50/50/50. My $0.02

[Bio-Active]

hcg from 1st pin of test, lower clomid to 100/50/50/50. My $0.02

^^ This and i would run the nolvadex 6 weeks after a long cycle 40/40/20/20/20/20

[athletic.guy]

^^ This and i would run the nolvadex 6 weeks after a long cycle 40/40/20/20/20/20

I'm considering dropping the nolvadex . I have a feeling it shuts down my libido.
I might just run clomid alone, if libido still suffers i can always add in the nolvadex a week into pct.

I can't get pt-141 easily here. It's a shame, I really want to try it between cycles !!

And for the dude who asked about caber..... I always use it during tren cycles.

[Bio-Active]

I'm considering dropping the nolvadex . I have a feeling it shuts down my libido.
I might just run clomid alone, if libido still suffers i can always add in the nolvadex a week into pct.

I can't get pt-141 easily here. It's a shame, I really want to try it between cycles !!

And for the dude who asked about caber..... I always use it during tren cycles.

I would not suggest running clomid alone. 1 week into pct you will have no idea were you are at and low libido is part of recovery for most

[oldnsedentary]

paranoid about libido recovery from deca....

As well you should be. Deca recovery for me, the one time I tried it, was about 6 months before things were entirely normal again. Decanoate ester just seems to hold on to and keep releasing the active ingredient forever.

Your plan to stop it 4 weeks prior to the test is probably a good idea. Hopefully that will help.

[athletic.guy]

And as always ill use 2 large servings or DAA and Maca powder

[athletic.guy]

As well you should be. Deca recovery for me, the one time I tried it, was about 6 months before things were entirely normal again. Decanoate ester just seems to hold on to and keep releasing the active ingredient forever.

Your plan to stop it 4 weeks prior to the test is probably a good idea. Hopefully that will help.

Did you run caber when u used Deca?

Did u monitor prolactin and progesterone during your cycle ?

[oldnsedentary]

Did you run caber when u used Deca?

Prami

Did u monitor prolactin and progesterone during your cycle ?

No, but I experienced no libido issues while on cycle. I stopped the Deca two weeks before the test. Then, after waiting two weeks, did PCT.

I THOUGHT I was having a great recovery, because I was actually getting stronger while doing PCT.

Wow, I am recovering quite well, or so I thought.

Weeks/months later the low/no libido and pissed off / frustrated woman sex partner set in . . .

It was a good six months before things were all the way back to normal, although the no-libido-no-or-poor-performance period lasted less than a month, thank goodness.

[oldnsedentary]

If you put together that timeline, the Deca was still adding strength a month after discontinuing its use! I would not recommend Deca to anybody who is not on TRT or cruising.

NPP should make the same gains but not hang around so long.

[athletic.guy]

Planning my next cycle, Let me know what u think.

34 yrs old, 10+ years in the gym. Over 10 cycles mainly cutting with test e, tren e, masteron , t3, hgh, etc. But also used Deca , dbol , winny in the past.

Next cycle will be longest.

I'm currently at 220 12%bf,


750mg test e week 1- 20
450 mg deca, week 1-12
500mg eq week 1-16

Let me know about my updates.

Ive updated my upcoming cycle. Allot of mixed opinions on this cycle.

I want to try TEST, Deca, and EQ.

[Wizwell]

What's your reason for running the EQ also?

[athletic.guy]

What's your reason for running the EQ also?

Mainly for appetite, plus extra red blood cells always help. and finally a ill extra lean muscle towards the end of the cycle.

It has very little sides and does give a ill extra strength. Might need more than 500mg a week.

Any vets wish to comment please?

[TheMonstar]

Great cycle looks awesome I!! I'm running something similar . The only thing I recommend is to actually upp the dosage on EQ 700/800 per week and you will see great results ! EQ must be run at higher dosages than what you listed . You can run caber into pct if you would like but not necessary since you ran it on cycle . Hcg I believe can start week 4-5 not weeks .. Pct seems a bit high dosages for clomid ? Also you included a 5th week of nolvdex only ??

[athletic.guy]

My cycle is going really well. Keeping e2 in range but I required adex @ .5mg ed, prolactin is almost zero, but progesterone is high. I'm going to try reducing the Deca and HCG doses adding more vit b6.

So far I've put on 5kg but not sure how much is water. I feel pretty bloated ATM.

[athletic.guy]

I have now had to switch over to letro. I also dropped down the deca dose. Will re check levels this week. Letro is awesome with high doses of gear. Baloon face is gone !!

I'm at 245 lbs and gains are slowing now...

[z06vett]

i have now had to switch over to letro. I also dropped down the deca dose. Will re check levels this week. Letro is awesome with high doses of gear. Baloon face is gone !!

I'm at 245 lbs and gains are slowing now...

pm sent @athletic.guy

[athletic.guy]

BTW. Caber and arimadex did nothing for my high progesterone levels caused by the deca . The only way I could lower my prog levels was by dropping the deca dose down. My e2 was in range and prolactin was almost 0 before reducing the deca.

Removing the HCG did nothing to my progesterone levels so I'm back upto 500iu twice a week.

[lovbyts]

What brand Adex and were you using? It seems a lot of times they are not created equally.

Are you done with the cycle? I'm guessing the gains are slowing down due to the length of the cycle. Have you tried Nolvadex /Tamoxifen ?

[auswest]

I have now had to switch over to letro. I also dropped down the deca dose. Will re check levels this week. Letro is awesome with high doses of gear. Baloon face is gone !!

I'm at 245 lbs and gains are slowing now...

How are you dosing your letro?

[athletic.guy]

What brand Adex and were you using? It seems a lot of times they are not created equally.

Are you done with the cycle? I'm guessing the gains are slowing down due to the length of the cycle. Have you tried Nolvadex/Tamoxifen?

I only use pharma grade Ai's. I tried aramosin a few times but my body does not respond to it for some reason.

Ill use nolvadex during pct.

I'm at week 12 I think.... Could be still gaining muscle but slowly drying so weight will stay the same on da scales, but don't feel much dryer.

How are you dosing your letro?

I was on ADEX 1mg ed and my e2 was just barly in range. I'm now on 1.25mg ed letro and will get blood work this week and make adjustment to the dose.

Joints are great. Libido ok, still ill bloated, erections are ill softer.... So possibly not responding to letro too. I doubt I'm low e2 but ill know for sure this week.

[athletic.guy]

Woke up today feeling like shit. I'm spaced out, horribly lazy, dry mouth, and lethargic. This could be the first time I've ever crashed my E2....

Just got my blood work earlier today so I should have results tomorrow.

[lovbyts]

Yup you sound like you crashed it.

If your E2 was barely in range on Adex what was wrong with that? I would LOVE to be barley or even just a little high E2. We do need E2 and a little high is typically not a problem compared to low. It's when it gets out of hand you have to worry like mine was

[athletic.guy]

Yup you sound like you crashed it.

If your E2 was barely in range on Adex what was wrong with that? I would LOVE to be barley or even just a little high E2. We do need E2 and a little high is typically not a problem compared to low. It's when it gets out of hand you have to worry like mine was

Nothing really wrong with it apart from looking a lil bloated and wattery...

Felt crap but that was due to the high progesterone.

I really wanted to get my e2 down to 30ng/ml. Illdial in my letro right I should be able to do it allot easier with letro. I wasn't prepared to use more than 1mg Adex ed.

I think 1.25 mg letro eod should be my sweet spot on this heavy cycle...

[Chicagotarsier]

WILL make the same gains..it is the exact same substance..just different ester.

If you put together that timeline, the Deca was still adding strength a month after discontinuing its use! I would not recommend Deca to anybody who is not on TRT or cruising.

NPP should make the same gains but not hang around so long.

[Chicagotarsier]

If you are truly worried on recovery with 19-nors and going to do a 20 week cycle....

Use NPP for your Deca .
Switch to Test Prop at week 14-16 or consider using Test Phenyl-Prop for your whole cycle (4.5 day half-life)

Havent used EQ so no opinions.

[athletic.guy]

OMG !!! Got my blood work results back. I've been taking 1.25mg of letro ED and my e2 is higher than it was on 0.5mg Adex ed.

Seriously WTF !!! My body does not respond to aramosin or letro. And before anyone asks it's all pharma grade...

[lovbyts]

What was the numbers?
Start taking the Adex again I guess. Right now I'm taking Adex and Tamoxin and getting blood work done soon because I know I run VERY high E2 when I bump things up and I want to see if this is working for my situation.

[athletic.guy]

Results were

0.5mg Adex ed = 40 pg/ml
1mg Adex ed = 37 pg/ml

2.5mg ed letro 1 week then down to 1.25mg ed
Took my e2 up to 58 pg/ml

So I'll finish this cycle at 1mg Adex ed and never use anything else from now on...

I'm very interested On how much of a role 1000iu HCG ew plays on e2 levels during heavy cycles

[Chicagotarsier]

Max dose of aromasin is not going to keep you in range at 800 test imho. It is a good low dose test AI.

My body does not like Adex. So all my cycles will be forever low test cycles....which you might consider. Deca is a better workhorse in many peoples minds..just harsher on HPTA

at 800 test along you are going to be 4x range of E2 (not counting your Deca or EQ)

OMG !!! Got my blood work results back. I've been taking 1.25mg of letro ED and my e2 is higher than it was on 0.5mg Adex ed.

Seriously WTF !!! My body does not respond to aramosin or letro. And before anyone asks it's all pharma grade...

[athletic.guy]

What's your idea of max dose? I used 50mg ed aramosin on a 750mg test cycle and it did nothing....

Plus 1.25mg of letro ed should of killed my e2 levels in 2 weeks.... What's up with that???

Max dose of aromasin is not going to keep you in range at 800 test imho. It is a good low dose test AI.

My body does not like Adex. So all my cycles will be forever low test cycles....which you might consider. Deca is a better workhorse in many peoples minds..just harsher on HPTA

at 800 test along you are going to be 4x range of E2 (not counting your Deca or EQ)

[numbere]

Results were

0.5mg Adex ed = 40 pg/ml
1mg Adex ed = 37 pg/ml

2.5mg ed letro 1 week then down to 1.25mg ed
Took my e2 up to 58 pg/ml

So I'll finish this cycle at 1mg Adex ed and never use anything else from now on...

I'm very interested On how much of a role 1000iu HCG ew plays on e2 levels during heavy cycles

I know you're at the higher end of the E2 reference range and can understand why you would like it to be lower. However, it seems odd you would take twice as much dex only to have your E2 lower 3 points. This seems excessive to me because if you're going to get that technical then the actual upper limit is 42.6 pg/ml, putting you within range with the 0.5mg dose.

[athletic.guy]

I know you're at the higher end of the E2 reference range and can understand why you would like it to be lower. However, it seems odd you would take twice as much dex only to have your E2 lower 3 points. This seems excessive to me because if you're going to get that technical then the actual upper limit is 42.6 pg/ml, putting you within range with the 0.5mg dose.

I'm pretty bloated and my libido isn't as great as when I'm sitting around 30 and these are very important to me.

The evidence shown that there isn't much different at all in my circumstance in using anymore than 0.5mg ed but every little bit counts. Ill stick with 1mg ADEX ed. I'm sure if it wasn't for the deca and EQ I would be at my goal e2 level.

And who knows what the 1000 iu hcg is doing to my e2 levels also. But I'm to paranoid to remove it from my cycles.

[athletic.guy]

Planning my next cycle, Let me know what u think.

34 yrs old, 10+ years in the gym. Over 10 cycles mainly cutting with test e, tren e, masteron , t3, hgh, etc. But also used Deca , dbol , winny in the past.

Next cycle will be longest.

I'm currently at 220 12%bf,


800 mg test e week 1-20
500 mg deca, week 1-12
700 mg eq week 1-16

Caber 0.25 mg twice a week 2-14

HCG 250 iu 2 times week 2-22

Arimadex 0.5mg ed week 2 -22

Pct clomid 100, 75, 50 50,
Nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20, 20, 20.


Let me know about my updates.

About to try this cycle again. I'll drop the EQ and increase the Deca.

New cycle will be

Week 1-4 dbol 30mg ed
Week 1-20 Sustanon 250mg eod or possibly 500mg sustanon twice a week.

Week 1-10 deca 600mg week
Week 10-18 tren A 150mg eod

ADEX .5mg ed (not sure if it'll be enough)
Proviron 25-50mg day
Caber .5mg e3d
HCG 250iu e3d

Pct clomid 100,50, 50, 25
Nolvadex 40, 40, 20, 20, 20, 20.
Maybe HCG 1000iu ed for the first week of PCT

I'm aiming to pack on 10kg of muscle.... That's a huge task

[athletic.guy]

Anyone like to comment on my proposed cycle? Starting next week. Would love to know what u guys think.

[athletic.guy]

No one feedback at all???