FIRST CYCLE - 600mg Test E - 20 Y.O - HELP

**mike tysonn** · 05-08-2016, 06:32 AM

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**marcus300** · 05-08-2016, 07:19 AM

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies

**AR's King Silabolin** · 05-08-2016, 08:43 AM

Listen to him.
And info from me also. If you are stupid and ignore his warnings and do your cycle, remember you may get big e2 problemes even if gyno doesnt show. Specially when you bfe is 17-19. I never had gyno, but my e2 gave my lots of problemes when i was gearing too fat and ignoring serms and ais. And when bfe is 17-19 it migth aswell be 20+. Many would consider that not suited for aas as they set the limit at 15%.

Do it naturell 2 more years, then you migth try the sarms and gw and sr9009 a couple of years before you get serious. Well, thats the road i would choose if i was 20 today and knew the stuff i know now.

btw...isnt marcus avatar violating one of the rules?. I guess some jews will find that one extremely provocative.

**mike tysonn** · 05-08-2016, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Silabolin

Listen to him.
And info from me also. If you are stupid and ignore his warnings and do your cycle, remember you may get big e2 problemes even if gyno doesnt show. Specially when you bfe is 17-19. I never had gyno, but my e2 gave my lots of problemes when i was gearing too fat and ignoring serms and ais. And when bfe is 17-19 it migth aswell be 20+. Many would consider that not suited for aas as they set the limit at 15%.

Do it naturell 2 more years, then you migth try the sarms and gw and sr9009 a couple of years before you get serious. Well, thats the road i would choose if i was 20 today and knew the stuff i know now.

btw...isnt marcus avatar violating one of the rules?. I guess some jews will find that one extremely provocative.

Thanks, is there anything you would reccomend doing if i was still going to take cycle?

Thank you

**clarkey02** · 05-08-2016, 10:24 PM

You're 5 years too young, and too fat to use AAS.

If you need to though, your best bet it an 18 gauge needle, inject in the quads. For the pain put some Frank's Red Hot sauce on your perenium and the injection site won't be on your mind at all.

**mike tysonn** · 05-08-2016, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by clarkey02

You're 5 years too young, and too fat to use AAS.

If you need to though, your best bet it an 18 gauge needle, inject in the quads. For the pain put some Frank's Red Hot sauce on your perenium and the injection site won't be on your mind at all.

i got 16 gauge coz im not a pussy like u haha 18g what is this

**AR's King Silabolin** · 05-08-2016, 10:40 PM

Originally Posted by mike tysonn

Thanks, is there anything you would reccomend doing if i was still going to take cycle?

Thank you

Yes. Drop aas and do a sarmsstack. Even if its a couple of years too early as they work trough the androgenreceptor and are all supressive but chances of beeing hurt are much less.
10 weeks LGD and 11 weeks RAD140 should give you 80% of the results from your aascycle with just 20% of the sides. And you would heal a lot faster. Stil a good pct is needed and e2 would be ok, most likely. Cholestrol is stil a cons but as a 20 year old with a healthy lifestyle, cholestrol is not the most problematic one. HPTA is but Marcus gave u the info there.
And one more thing. 10 weeks sr9009 alo ng with your sarmsstack would do you real good. Max fatburning and endurance better than from aas. Cholestrolfriendly and not supressive.
And while Im at it. Better than your cycle would be a combination. 300 mg test e and the stuff I suggests. But I do not advice it. Only if you are semistupid.