3rd cycle plan

**Lee_1978** · 09-18-2016, 02:12 PM

Hi,

I'm getting ready to start my 3rd cycle within the next month. Here's some background on my last cycles.

1st cycle Test P 100mg EOD 12 weeks - 9kg gained
2nd cycle Test E 250 mg x 2 EW, dbol 30 mg ED 5 weeks - 7kg gained

Current stats

5"10
88kg
15% BF

Proposed plan

750mg Test E EW weeks 1-12 (250 mg X 3 Mon, Weds, Sat)
400 mg EQ EW weeks 1-12
Aromasin 12.5mg ED
HCG 700 iu EW

PCT
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Additional supplements

Vitamin C 2000mg ED
Vitamin B12 2500 mcg ED
Vitmain D3 1000 iu ED
Creatine 10mg ED

Any input appreciated.

**TestoSuper** · 09-18-2016, 02:30 PM

I find it's a good cycle itself .. But I personally would not do a bulking cycle if over 12% of bodyfat, because at the end of the cycle will have even more fat and after will be hard to make a decent and satisfactory cutting ..
however, it depends obviously on what kind of a physical a person wishes !!

**numbere** · 09-18-2016, 02:30 PM

You'll likely need more stane than that when on 750mg/week of test.

Imo you should tale 12.5mg stane twice a day then titrate based on mid cycle labs.

What goals are you trying to achieve with 400mg/week of EQ?

There should be NAC included in your supplements.

**Vash the Stampede** · 09-18-2016, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

You'll likely need more stane than that when on 750mg/week of test.

Imo you should tale 12.5mg stane twice a day then titrate based on mid cycle labs.

What goals are you trying to achieve with 400mg/week of EQ?

There should be NAC included in your supplements.

Agreed with everything. Also your HCG dosage is a bit high. Try for 250iu x 2 per week. I found that anything higher than that will elevate E2 and cause greater water retention.

Drop the EQ. It's total waste of time and money in my opinion. And definitely start with 25mg of aromasin daily.

**Lee_1978** · 09-18-2016, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

You'll likely need more stane than that when on 750mg/week of test.

Imo you should tale 12.5mg stane twice a day then titrate based on mid cycle labs.

What goals are you trying to achieve with 400mg/week of EQ?

There should be NAC included in your supplements.

I'm just looking for an all out bulk. I don't mind a bit of fat gain, and l actually prefer the softer look which comes with a bit more water retention. I'm going with EQ due to its supposed mild effect coupled with its ability to promote hardness.

I'll take note about the Aromasin and start with 25 mg ED.

**numbere** · 09-18-2016, 06:55 PM

Originally Posted by Lee_1978

I'm just looking for an all out bulk. I don't mind a bit of fat gain, and l actually prefer the softer look which comes with a bit more water retention. I'm going with EQ due to its supposed mild effect coupled with its ability to promote hardness.

I'll take note about the Aromasin and start with 25 mg ED.

400mg/week of EQ isn't going to add much tissue on a bulk.

You should probably double that amount and even then EQ isn't know for being a good mass builder.

Imo you should switch the EQ for 500mg/week of nandrolone if you'd like to see some serious gains.

**Lee_1978** · 09-18-2016, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede

Agreed with everything. Also your HCG dosage is a bit high. Try for 250iu x 2 per week. I found that anything higher than that will elevate E2 and cause greater water retention.

Drop the EQ. It's total waste of time and money in my opinion. And definitely start with 25mg of aromasin daily.

I used HCG @ 500 iu EW on my two previous cycles, but my balls shrank to nothing, so I wanted to experiment with a higher dose to see if it lessened the shrinkage.

What's your experience of EQ? I don't think I've come across such divided opinion concerning a compound as EQ has shown. I was tempted to try Masteron , but it's brutal on the hairline, so I ruled it out.

**Marsoc** · 09-18-2016, 08:07 PM

.25 mg Arimidex . Typo. Not 25 mgs. Just thought I'd catch that

**numbere** · 09-18-2016, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Marsoc

.25 mg Arimidex. Typo. Not 25 mgs. Just thought I'd catch that

What are you referencing?

OP plans on takin aromasin (stane).

**Back In Black** · 09-19-2016, 12:57 AM

Mast is pointless at your body fat particularly if you are going for an all our bulk. As is any 'hardening' drug, you can't make fat look hard with aas.

2 options

1. Drop the eq and up your ai dose. You have already increased your test by 50% from your last cycle

2. Run test and deca at 500mg per week. Run your test 1-2 past deca and extend the nolva by 2 weeks.

**Lee_1978** · 09-19-2016, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Mast is pointless at your body fat particularly if you are going for an all our bulk. As is any 'hardening' drug, you can't make fat look hard with aas.

2 options

1. Drop the eq and up your ai dose. You have already increased your test by 50% from your last cycle

2. Run test and deca at 500mg per week. Run your test 1-2 past deca and extend the nolva by 2 weeks.

I considered Masteron mainly because of the reported psychological edge it's meant to give, in addition to the strength gains you get, but again, as it's a DHT derivative, I'm concerned about it's effect on my hairline.

Deca is no no. During my 3rd cycle research, I lost track of how many accounts I'd read of guys who were experiencing on-going erectile dysfunction YEARS after running a pretty standard Deca/Test cycle. I think I'd rather take my chances with Tren .

**Lee_1978** · 09-19-2016, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by numbere

400mg/week of EQ isn't going to add much tissue on a bulk.

You should probably double that amount and even then EQ isn't know for being a good mass builder.

Imo you should switch the EQ for 500mg/week of nandrolone if you'd like to see some serious gains.

Yeah, EQ is a mild compound. I might increase the amount provided all goes well.