What's your go to drug for burning fat...?

[AlphaMindz]

I'm asking this because I'm considering adding a fat burning compound to my cycle and not quite sure which direction to go with it. Not really willing to deal with the sides of clen as I'm not a fan of the jitters and feel like there may be better ways to go about it.

I was thinking of adding in t3 and/or t4 to give my metabolism a little boost. At my current caloric intake and activity level I seem to have plateaued so my metabolism just needs a little nudge lol.

What compounds have you guys used with success for getting rid of those last 10-15 lbs of fat? (Not f*ckin with DNP at this time FYI)
Thanks in advance...

[MuscleScience]

Diet and exercise

[Jangles1]

Diet and exercise

Everyone loves to be cocky about this question... Obviously diet and exercise are key, but they're compounds that are used in a cut stack that work extremely well with the obvious things needed (diet / exercise / calorie deficit)

I assume you're doing a cut cycle with a calorie deficit?

From my research (not experience) the following look great

Tren
Masterson
NPP
Primo
Halo

Winny
Anavar

T3
Clen

[MuscleScience]

Everyone loves to be cocky about this question... Obviously diet and exercise are key, but they're compounds that are used in a cut stack that work extremely well with the obvious things needed (diet / exercise / calorie deficit)

From my research the following are great

Tren
Masterson
NPP

Winny
Anavar

T3
Clean

Meh, without them not a single drug will matter.

[Jangles1]

Of course, but you knew what he was getting at

[AlphaMindz]

Diet and exercise

Touche my brother... Here's the thing though, I cant cut back calories anymore than I already have so the only other option (besides drugs) is to increase activity level. However, it's hard enough for me to get to the gym once a day for an hour to an hour and a half, so the prospect of going an extra three days a week for cardio is off the table...for now anyways.

Too much going on with work and my personal life, but once my career levels out and I don't need to put as many hours in I'll be in a better position to achieve the goals I'm working towards which ultimately is competing. At this very moment I don't have the time needed to commit to bodybuilding to compete, unfortunately... However, I have been able to make some quality lean gains to set myself up for when I CAN focus on this to a greater degree...which should be about 8 months down the road..So my goal at the moment is to get in the best possible shape with the limited time I do have...

So, hopefully that warrants a different response from you lol! I only have your calf to go by but I'm gonna guess that you're a pretty lean guy with a relatively fast metabolism (that's a complimentary tone btw I'm not condescending you) so maybe you haven't run any fat burners (which is admirable). My body is presenting a higher limitation for me, as I've hit a plateau (or it's slowed down so much I might as well have hit a plateau)..so since I'm pro PEDs I'm open and willing to use drugs (safely and responsibly) to help me achieve my goals!

I'm able to put in about 4, sometimes 5 days a week at 1-1 1/2 hours per session which has been enough to make some notable changes to my physique and since my diet is pretty clean. When I started lifting again I was about 208 16-17 % bf...That was 8 months ago. Today I'm 220 at around 13% bf...So please trust me when I tell you that laziness or lack of discipline is NOT the problem!

My main issue is purely a lack of time.. So I'd to get some intelligent feedback on what drugs people have used to help achieve this goal and how they used them..

[AlphaMindz]

Of course, but you knew what he was getting at

We're right here bro (raising hand to eye level) right here lmao! Thanks for interpreting my question correctly.

[charger69]

Everyone loves to be cocky about this question... Obviously diet and exercise are key, but they're compounds that are used in a cut stack that work extremely well with the obvious things needed (diet / exercise / calorie deficit)

I assume you're doing a cut cycle with a calorie deficit?

From my research (not experience) the following look great

Tren
Masterson
NPP
Primo
Halo

Winny
Anavar

T3
Clen

I am going to agree with MS.. There is no magical drug. With that being said, I will give my $.02.
Any AAS can be used for cutting or bulk. It is dependent on your diet.
NPP is a wet compound and probably not what you are looking for in a cut.
Halo- that is serious taxing on your system. I have a full container and read about it and said that’s not for me.
Winny- love it but it can cause joint pain.
You forgot one.... ECA stack. I will take an ECA stack any day over clen. I get better results.
I really think that you will love the eca stack.


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[guitarzan]

Eca or clen stacked with t3 will yield good results. I fear they're not good for you in the long run, though I still use them occasionally

[GirlyGymRat]

Diet and exercise

Hmmm. R u natty all the time???

[Coffeehead]

Clen and T3.

Haven't tried Tren, I hear it's fantastic tho.

[MuscleScience]

Hmmm. R u natty all the time???

Define natty...

Oh and I use to really love ephedra. That shit worked good.

[Strypher]

Clen

[AlphaMindz]

I am going to agree with MS.. There is no magical drug. With that being said, I will give my $.02.
Any AAS can be used for cutting or bulk. It is dependent on your diet.
NPP is a wet compound and probably not what you are looking for in a cut.
Halo- that is serious taxing on your system. I have a full container and read about it and said that’s not for me.
Winny- love it but it can cause joint pain.
You forgot one.... ECA stack. I will take an ECA stack any day over clen. I get better results.
I really think that you will love the eca stack.


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Ahhh, the good ol' ECA stack. Tried and true I suppose. Do they still even make ephedra though? I've seen ephedrine hcl floating around as a bronchial dilator but I think that's a bit different...

[AlphaMindz]

Eca or clen stacked with t3 will yield good results. I fear they're not good for you in the long run, though I still use them occasionally

I actually had to restock on my adex today and my guy also has pharm grade T3 tabs 50mcg so I snagged enough to try it for a month to see if I can get my metabolism up enough to get this fat off my abs. Going to stay away from Clen for now cause I want to add in one thing at a time and wait a week or two so I can gauge what's working and what can go. After 2 weeks of T3 I'm going to start on ECA stack if necessary. Thanks for the input.

[AlphaMindz]

Clen and T3.

Haven't tried Tren, I hear it's fantastic tho.

I'm on Tren brotha...and yes it has helped get some of this fat off but it's not a magic potion.

[Eduke93]

Tren! With that being said, i probably wont use tren again due to health concerns.

Just a bit of test will promote fat loss combined with diet and training...

[Gallowmere]

Ahhh, the good ol' ECA stack. Tried and true I suppose. Do they still even make ephedra though? I've seen ephedrine hcl floating around as a bronchial dilator but I think that's a bit different...

It’s basically the same thing but standardized, whereas ephedra was the herbal form, so you really didn’t know how much of the useful compound you were actually getting.

Ephedrine hcl is found in Primatene, and ephedrine sulphate is found in Bronk-Aid. The hcl yields a slightly higher bioavailability of ephedrine, but tends to be way more expensive per mg than the actual yield improvement is worth.

That said, they work quite well. I tend to dose at 25/200 (eph/caff). The aspirin part was shown to do fuck all for the stack, except in morbidly obese people, which makes sense when you consider that most of them have blood that’s about two steps shy of being KFC gravy and Mountain Dew.

[Jangles1]

Tren! With that being said, i probably wont use tren again due to health concerns.

Just a bit of test will promote fat loss combined with diet and training...

What health concerns did Tren bring on and what does did you use?

[tarmyg]

Ephedrine 20mg / Caffeine 200mg / Yohimbine HCL 3mg all of them 2 times a day.

REF: http://forums.steroid.com/competitiv...ml#post7066705

[Sh0tsf1red]

Meh, without them not a single drug will matter.

Not enough people get this ms

Crying about not having time for the gym and looking for a shortcut... SMH

[AlphaMindz]

Ephedrine 20mg / Caffeine 200mg / Yohimbine HCL 3mg all of them 2 times a day.

REF: http://forums.steroid.com/competitiv...ml#post7066705

That's right I forgot about Yohimbine...Good call.

[AlphaMindz]

Tren! With that being said, i probably wont use tren again due to health concerns.

Just a bit of test will promote fat loss combined with diet and training...

Which health concerns did you have from Tren?

[Eduke93]

Which health concerns did you have from Tren?

It makes me feel like crap!

Plus its HARD on your body, i think there are better and safer compounds you can use for just as good results.

[Clove1234]

Can you get Bronk aid or any type of ephedra OTC?

[Gallowmere]

Can you get Bronk aid or any type of ephedra OTC?

Yes, at least in the US. It’s regulated though, so it’s behind the counter at pharmacies, and you have to show ID and have your quantities purchased tracked through a federal database.

Meth makers ruin all the things.

[cousinmuscles]

It makes me feel like crap!

Plus its HARD on your body, i think there are better and safer compounds you can use for just as good results.

What dosage did you use of tren?

[Eduke93]

What dosage did you use of tren?

I have experimented with both ace and enan, ranging from 300mg up to 800mg.... 400mg was my sweet spot.

[AlphaMindz]

I have experimented with both ace and enan, ranging from 300mg up to 800mg.... 400mg was my sweet spot.

Yeah I'm running 50 ace/100 enanthate eod for a total of 450mg/week which seems like an ideal dose. Initially, when the enanthate was metabolized and the full dosage kicked in I had some sleep issues but now my body has stabilized and I don't feel any sides whatsoever.
Even the aggression has leveled out so I don't feel on edge all the time but my strength is way up so I know it's working. I just think my system has adjusted to the new androgen levels and regained a new homeostasis.
I guess everyone responds differently. The only negative side is that my bp is up a bit, but that's easily manageable...

[Eduke93]

Yeah I'm running 50 ace/100 enanthate eod for a total of 450mg/week which seems like an ideal dose. Initially, when the enanthate was metabolized and the full dosage kicked in I had some sleep issues but now my body has stabilized and I don't feel any sides whatsoever.
Even the aggression has leveled out so I don't feel on edge all the time but my strength is way up so I know it's working. I just think my system has adjusted to the new androgen levels and regained a new homeostasis.
I guess everyone responds differently. The only negative side is that my bp is up a bit, but that's easily manageable...

Yeah, that's a decent dose. I found at around 400mg i had great gains and not many sides, I just feel that the toxicity of the drug isnt worth it, but thats just me.

Also... I was a grumpy sod when on it. Wasnt worth the agro with my misses... All i wanted to do on tren is fuck and argue!!

[MuscleScience]

It makes me feel like crap!

Plus its HARD on your body, i think there are better and safer compounds you can use for just as good results.

Tren ain’t hard on your body, unless you dose it like test. You can use half as much and get twice the results with it. It’s called the golden god with good reason.

[Grappler13]

LISS. That will rip the fat off me like nothing else.


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[< <Samson> >]

Tren, Mast, Var, Winni & a EC stack

[Couchlockd]

Everyone loves to be cocky about this question... Obviously diet and exercise are key, but they're compounds that are used in a cut stack that work extremely well with the obvious things needed (diet / exercise / calorie deficit)

I assume you're doing a cut cycle with a calorie deficit?

From my research (not experience) the following look great

Tren
Masterson
NPP
Primo
Halo

Winny
Anavar

T3
Clen

npp? npp,lol deca for burning fat no way. lol

if anything , if you need to finish off that last bit and get show ready I'd say in this order
oxandrolone (anavar)
drostanolone (masterone )
methenolone (primo)

but as far as "drugs"
adderral (with prescription of course
ephedrine
phen-phen

[kelkel]

WTF, you guys have actual fat?

[charger69]

It’s basically the same thing but standardized, whereas ephedra was the herbal form, so you really didn’t know how much of the useful compound you were actually getting.

Ephedrine hcl is found in Primatene, and ephedrine sulphate is found in Bronk-Aid. The hcl yields a slightly higher bioavailability of ephedrine, but tends to be way more expensive per mg than the actual yield improvement is worth.

That said, they work quite well. I tend to dose at 25/200 (eph/caff). The aspirin part was shown to do fuck all for the stack, except in morbidly obese people, which makes sense when you consider that most of them have blood that’s about two steps shy of being KFC gravy and Mountain Dew.

Agree on the study and obese people, but the aspirin also helps thin the blood, which helps with oils like tren.


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[Chicagotarsier]

For me tren dried me out. After cycle the fluid returned.

That last 10-15 lbs going under 14 percent body fat is mostly water retention.

Different game you are playing to win at that level. No to water retention substances like HGH and blood pressure medication. Yes to Tren and substances that dehydrate you. This is unless you live a cardio lifestyle. No magic pill...all science. My two cents.

[Couchlockd]

Can you get Bronk aid or any type of ephedra OTC?

the thing is, its also got 400mg of guaifenesin in it.

I took 1 tab a day for 8 months, when I stopped I got pretty bad inner ear and sinus infection.
.

[KINGKONG]

Tren makes me cut fat at normal maintenance calories and without a excess of cardio or catabolism..I think carb cycling works really really well if you don’t wanna give up your sleep and mental health..even at 300 mg of tren a wk..I sleep shitty and have quite a bit of anxiousness..it’s a blessing and a curse..

[Aerospace]

Do I dare bring up DNP.. It is very effective, but I don't know where to buy it anymore. I'm naturally skinny so I am always focused on adding weight, gaining fat isn't a concern with a decent diet for me. But when I was cutting for a couple NPC shows I did use Tren Ace and DNP.
And intermittent fasting and keto.