Needless cycle

**D Mc C** · 11-11-2003, 07:13 PM

i have a friend who is paranoid of the needle. he didn't do any research and bought 400 d-bol. he thought the d-bol would be a great cycle

anyways, he's an idiot so i told him i will do some research on a proper needleless cycle. i was thinking about anadrol but i don't know much about it. can u guys give me a few suggestions on where to start my needleless cycle research?
thanks bros

***50%Natural*** · 11-11-2003, 07:15 PM

No, there is no such thing as a needleless cycle unless you want to waste your time.

**Nailer** · 11-11-2003, 07:18 PM

how Ironic that your friend's Needleless cycle is "Needless" just like you wrote it.

**daWhoady** · 11-11-2003, 07:19 PM

SOL. I'd suggest if he wants to start a cycle, have soemone he trusts stick him till he gets over his fear. He could go with Test Enan and only get stuck ywice a week while using the d-bol as a jump start.

**big swoll** · 11-11-2003, 07:55 PM

if you're not ready to stick yourself, you're not ready to do steroids ...and besides you'll do your body more harm than good if you do an oral only cycle...your liver would explode afterwards

**Grant** · 11-11-2003, 07:56 PM

My friends wanted the same thing. I just rolled my eyes. Tell him orals=temporary gains. (barring Winstrol ) orals are in addition to injections, does he think everybody else intially opted to stick a needle in our flesh?

**sublang** · 11-11-2003, 09:25 PM

First, you are not going to get much advice about oral only cycles on this board. There have been a few threads on the subject. I would recommend running a search on "oral cycles", "dbol only", etc.

Second, it's hard to give any advice without stats, goals, experience, etc. Give some more info about your friend and I will try to help out. Even without stats I can say that if he is looking to put on a lot of quality muscle mass and keep it, oral only is not a good idea.

**D Mc C** · 11-16-2003, 11:57 AM

Ive stuck my friend before, he said it was painless (eventhough he just about cried from watching me do it). he has done a few cycles before, but now he has decided he doesn't want to use the needle. go figure. anyways i'll tell him what u said. thanks guys!

**rainbowsheep** · 11-17-2003, 12:49 AM

Isn't Dbol more potent than say, 1-AD?

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-17-2003, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by rainbowsheep

Isn't Dbol more potent than say, 1-AD?

i hope you are'nt serious with that ?

**rainbowsheep** · 11-17-2003, 01:02 AM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

i hope you are'nt serious with that ?

I am, unfortunately. Dunno much about the relative strengths/potency of the two.

**rainbowsheep** · 11-17-2003, 01:04 AM

The reason I ask is that the consensus here is that dbol cycles are a waste of time, even for newbies.

If Dbol gave better results than 1-AD, that would mean that 1-AD-only cycles would probably cause your dog to die or something (i.e. really useless).

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-17-2003, 01:04 AM

dbol is very very potent anobolic oral steroid ..
1-ad is a prohormone

**rainbowsheep** · 11-17-2003, 01:08 AM

Originally Posted by asymmetrical1

dbol is very very potent anobolic oral steroid ..
1-ad is a prohormone

So, assuming one could gain off of 1-AD (of which I've seen many reports), those users could have had much better gains off of a dbol only cycle?

(we're not talking about elite bodybuilders here... just normal athletes)

***asymmetrical1*** · 11-17-2003, 01:36 AM

Originally Posted by rainbowsheep

So, assuming one could gain off of 1-AD (of which I've seen many reports), those users could have had much better gains off of a dbol only cycle?

(we're not talking about elite bodybuilders here... just normal athletes)

basically yes....dbol should'nt be taken by itself ...has serious sides.....gains hard to keep
1-ad will have sides too....can shut you down.....expensive

**Ntpadude** · 11-17-2003, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by rainbowsheep

So, assuming one could gain off of 1-AD (of which I've seen many reports), those users could have had much better gains off of a dbol only cycle?

(we're not talking about elite bodybuilders here... just normal athletes)

I believe dbol and drols are the 2 most powerful and dangerous steroids there are. The problem is the most similar natural hormone the body makes next to these is DHT. DHT is the most powerful androgen and the most side effects which include hair falling out in fistfuls, intense weight gain, intense water gain. But naturally DHT is present in microscoptic amounts as compared to testosterone , so there is never enough natural DHT to maintain or keep dbol/drol gains and its all lost with nothing to keep but the damages caused by the side effects. 1-AD, quit joking with this stuff, do you realize this is the pollen of a northern pine tree covered up with clever marketing to make you think it does something good for your body. Its just pine tree polen for God sakes. Next you'll tell me you bought some of the $80 sea algae that supposed to block your myostatins.