Who think P Shakes or MR shakes count as a meal?
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Not ****ing me!
Does anyone else get shitted off when they read.
M1. MR Shake.
M2. Chicken Rice and Veg.
M3. Shake
M4. Steak, Rice and Veg
M5. Pre workout shake
M6. Post workout shake.
etc etc
THEY ARE NOT MEALS.. :chairshot .. they are chocolate flavoured SHAKES! A meal is food!
When I read this I feel like telling the guys -->
And it need to be said...
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DROP THE SHAKE AND HAVE A STEAK
This will be a long one...
It is just human nature.. (not mine).. but the majority.
I don't eat shit food, don't do dairy (except in the form of whey in a Post Training shake), I don't eat gluten .. as my body doesn't like them (digestion doesn't like it) For carbs I love my rice. For protein I mix it up.. you name it everything elk, kangaroo, duck, whatever but pork (bacon is cool). This type of eating works well with my genetics..
I am a believer in a lot of Poliquins principles, as out of the 8 years I have been professionally involved in the industry he seems to have touched on everything, natural therapies, alternative med, conventional med, drug induced performance enhancement, chiro, applied kinesiology, you name it.. the guy is well thought out. I was reading a book that I was told to before one of his courses - "The Paleo diet". This book says basically that human being for have only had agriculture and grains in our diets for a very short span of time (when looking out the total time we have been humans). Most people are not carb adapted and get fat from them etc (as an example - Asians etc are an exception to the rule, but are adjusted to rice as opposed to wheat catbs etc). Anyways.. one of the things he says for fat people is "Eats like a caveman". That is the best advice you can give someone...
And I used to say something simular - "Eat what your great-grandmar would have eaten 100 years ago, good natural food".
That is the easy thing to say to someone when dieting. Could a caveman eat burgers? Pasta? Sauses? Iceceam? Peanut butter? Rice? no no no no no.
Could they eat fresh fish, other sources of protein, fresh vegies and fruits yes! This is pretty easy protocol to follow.
But after years - I don't say anything anymore to fat people.
But you cannot always tell. I had a client that was female, 5 foot and was 90 kgs. I have trained fat people and they are always lame and full of excuses. You train them hard once you never see them again. BUT this chic, first session... she went hard.. not 20% not 50% not 80% she went 110%. I thought she was going to die.. but she trucked on. She was a cool chic and actually is now one of my best friends, a real quality human being, she lost 30 kgs when i trained her. BUT WHY - SHE WAS ACCOUNTABLE and she looked at her behaviour, choices and emotional responses and made changes. THIS IS VERY RARE. You shouldn't judge a book by its cover but pretty quickly you will know what someone is about. And she is the ONLY example of this that I have personally come across.
For example -
There is this old dude 60 or so... living in the house with my parents in law here in Spain... he asks all the time about diet.. and my wife in the beginning loved giving advice.. saying this that this that. I clearly said DON'T BOTHER... but my wife didn't listen..
Today she said "I am not telling that guy anything anymore.. he eats shit... i tell him what to do.. he continues to eat shit, he just tells me why he can't eat clean. But then still wants to have regular conversations about dieting." "When we told him to eat only things that HIS BODY responds well to" he stated - "But my body likes it." My wife said "No your tounge likes it.. your body doesn't like it, if your body liked it you wouldn't be fat!"
That is why the gym info sits there on his desk in spite of the fact that the gym is ACROSS THE ROAD (about 50m, no shit) (and has everything, you name it).
The funny thing is I said to my wife - try 8 years of that shit.. and see if you start to hate people. I love training, I love committed people. I live for the shit. But I hate lazy people. I have trouble when peoples mouth is our of balance with their commitment.
Like my mate.. he has one of the best physiques i know of.. and his mum is fat.. she does these ****ed crash diets all the time and lasts about a week. She doesn't listen to her son. One day I said "What is the deal with your Mum bro"? He said "Dude she has been doing it all my life, I just don't ****ing bother anymore".
And that is how I feel, I don't bother. If the person has some commitment in spite of knowing **** all and having shit training principles and diet. You will see them bashing away at it.. trying to learn and improve.. etc.
I try to be a balanced human being... Eg I look good, I am in good shape.. but I am studying IT at Uni. No need to be a massive dumb ass or a skinny geek.
BUT no matter what - I hate mediocrity and excuses.
Nate.
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Originally Posted by
DangerDave
so true. Problem is the entire industry is run by supplement companies promising sups that provide the quick fixes that people crave. People think: why do I need to eat right when this meal replacement shake promises massive size gains. For years I was a serious lifter and never made the gains I wanted cos I knew nothing about diet. I was drinking creatine and natural test boosters long before I bought my first shake.
These companies make the layman think that a shake is muscles in a 5 kg tub. I do consulting work for one of these companies so I see this ignorance first hand. Im really beginning to hate this industry cos as Nate says people are lazy and are always looking for quick fixes. Makes my job so unsatisfying cos as soon as people begin to realise the work involved in achieving their goals they give up. Anyway this thread just got me hot and bothered :rant:
Man I have heaps of these stories..
I used to have to do a certain percentage of programming for the gym that I used to PT out of. There was a member Craig and he used to come in for program updates every 6 weeks. I looked at his last two programs, and they were written by a colleague that programs practically exactly as I did. I observed that there had been no progression in the load, the guy had not up'd the weights. I said "look you need to up the weight if you want to progress, it is part of the stimulus your body needs to respond and get bigger". Get this he said "But I get sore". I said "yes that is good, DOMS is a good thing, it is part of the process", you need to get sore". He said "Well if I first got bigger then I wouldn't mind getting sore". I laughed and "said sorry buddy after the soreness comes the size, not the other way around. You need to put into the work to reap the benefits".
I just wrote out a new program and give it to him,.. why bother wasting air talking to him.
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DangerDave.. bro **** them, sell them the supps anyway. It is not like it is gear or you are promising miracles, you are being honest there is not issues with that. So don't shoot yourself in the foot. If the product works.. sell that.. what they do with it is not your issue. Just state this is a supplement, not a miracle in a bottle. Say that you, and the supplement are not their fairy god mother that has come to change them from a pumpkin into a princess. There are no fairy tales in our lifestyles - Just hard work, sweat and tears. If they think otherwise, never mind, **** them! Let their stupidity pay for your lifestyle and fill your fridge with heaps of food. As for the moron friend that called you, that would have pissed me off. I would have asked if his mate got brain damage in the accident. When he said no. I would have said... oh well he is just a dumb **** then.. well i am just sorry no supplement can help a dumb ****.