Made a discovery about GH and Peptides...
This is probably going to go against everything anyone has said about GH and peptides but I will make a post about it
When I started with the GH about 2 months ago, I was having great gains in strength and size. It was like a miracle.
Then I started administering the peptides before the gh btw 10-30 minutes before pining GH. My gains stopped, I started gaining body fat and sleep was not as good and I lost muscular weight and gained fat weight.. I am sitting at 190 right now, I expect going back to pining GH its self I will get to 200lbs within a month.
So I experimented. When I pin the GH and the peptides in the morning at 4am, its hard for me to go back to sleep. When I pin GH by itself I fall right back asleep.
Secondly, I was not keeping my bf as low and did not look as vascular pinning GH and peptides together. Third I was not having any normal sides from GH such as swelling in the hands and lethargic behavior.
I think all this happened because when you pin the peptides and GH at the same time you body thinks it all natural and treats it as such. I dont think natural GH is a strong as recombinant DNA.
Either one of two things is happening, the peptides are not that great, which I doubt because I got from a good company, or secondly and probably the later, the GH pulse from the peptides followed by the synthetic is not as effective as the synthetic by itself as the body treats it all as a natural release.
Therefore I will no longer be pinning the peptides and gh together. I will space them out 3-5 hours apart like you are supposed to do anyways with any of these injections.
Morning:4am Synthetic
Late Morning: 8-9am Peptides
Post Workout:Synthetic
Pre dinner:Peptides.
I think this is the most effective way so you are still keeping your natrual alive while getting all the benefits from the Synthetic
In one of the abstracts I posted about GHRP-2/
Honda, In one of the abstracts I posted from the Journal of Endo + Metab, one of their study trials they injected the syn gh 2 hours prior to the ghrp. As of yesterday I started it that way. I've been on the gh for 6 days @ 2 iu, and I started yesterday with the peptides 200 mcgs. (ghrp-2/cjc-1295 w/o dac)So now I"m getting 4 iu daily. I pinned the peptides pre bed and I slept like crap. With the gh only I was sleeping good. I'm going to change the pre bed peptides to late afternoon pre dinner on non workout days. I will work both up to 6 iu daily over the next 3 months. I'm at a good size imo, 6'2 230 12% bf, so I'm not looking to bulk but to lean up my lean muscle mass, if that makes sense. I'm going to follow this protocol and see where it takes me. I will also pin the syn gh post workout on training days followed by the peptides 2 hrs later. I'm also taking the L-arginine (4 gms) fasting, upon waking, 30 minutes pre syn gh inject. In another article I found it states to do 10 gms with the gh, however, I'm already getting sides from the L-arginine, mainly diareaha. My thinking here is if I'm getting the sides then hopefully for now I can maintain the arginine @ 4 gms daily. Even if I'm not getting any help with gh pulses from the arginine, the arginine has other good effects on the body. So as far as I can see it's a win win with the arginine. The problem is I can't find any pure powder arginine for a reasonable price or without other ingrediants included. I have it in pill form right now at 1 gm per pill.
This is all trial and error until you find what clicks for you. Good luck.