Doing my own prolothrapy and seeing results

[yannick35]

What can i say after paying for PRP which did good and prolo, i was pissed off that my snapping hip was well still snapping.

After watching my medical doctor do it, and downloading an anatomic chart of the internet i decided to treat the area miself, and saving 160$ a pop each time.

I will be 40 years old next year and with 10 years of chronic pain i am giving it my all. I have to wait like 6 weeks between treatments, and it takes around 3 hours to see my medical doctor since he is sooo slow with is patience.

I have no more time to waiste, its has to be now, i want to get back in training, doing cardio and mixed martial arts. I am really pissed off and tired of wasting time, getting cheap treatments months after months leading to almost no where.

I still have a cracking shoulder and the hip and a bit in the lower back.

I been telling him to do the whole ligament and its never been done.

Last week i was in bed and decided to test my hip after 2 PRP treatments 350$ a pop, the freaken snapping was still there but more on the surface then near the hip joint.

My medical doctor put me on TRT also so i got needles and i ordered dextrose off the internet.

I got 10CC of dextrose and covered the whole hip region. The snapping is gone, no more snapping.

I feel great but i can only think of my medical doctor has either being incompetent or stupide. I am pissed but i will treat myself from now on, the dextrose for 25 bottles of 50CC cost me 60$ what a joke, i can freaken treat myself for 100 years with that dosage. I also started treating my shoulder that was snapping and its getting a lot better.

[lovbyts]

Yes I have read that a lot of doctors skimp on the dextrose, reason can only = more office visits = more $$$ in their pocket since insurance wont pay for any of it.

I'm impressed, I could never do this. How do you go about jabbing yourself repeatedly like that or do you do it different? I have a hard enough time with 1 or 2x a week TRT. LOL

I hate needles but I feel your pain, literally. I have issues with both shoulders, left one is worse right now and my lower back; 2 operations so far. I just went in for cortisone shot #2 in the left shoulder, this time into the front of the joint. I have to say, it feels 10x better than last time I had it done and better than it has felt in a long time. I know most of it is probably just the stuff they used but it's supposed to be better in a week. Hopefully it will help.

I am also looking into a couple of other things since I have been dealing with these issues for a few years. I may become a German Shepard soon. Adequan and Alflutop. Sounds interesting.

[Times Roman]

could be worse. You could be trying to save a couple a bucks and do your own vasectomy?

[lovbyts]

could be worse. You could be trying to save a couple a bucks and do your own vasectomy?

Are you thinking something like this?

[dec11]

if it involves injecting a joint idk if i'd be playing doctor myself

[yannick35]

could be worse. You could be trying to save a couple a bucks and do your own vasectomy?

LOL good one

[yannick35]

I dont and never jab myself, i press the needle against the skin and push. Same has shoulder.

I dont do 100 injections, i do 1 or 2 but i put like 3-5cc of dextrose in it and that really cause inflammation in the region.

Press slightly against the skin get the needle in, dextrose is not like testosterone its not in oil its in sterile water, so it goes in very fast.

I inject in my hip about 1 inch deep since i have 21 gauge, dextrose will spread inside the body, it will inflamme the ligament from top to bottom.

In the shoulder i go in really slow and deep and once again push the dextrose in all the way, this numbs the shoulder for a few minutes then everything is fine.

It also causes lubrification of the joints. Prolotherapy treatment is 160$ a pop, PRP is 350$ a pop, i have a very average salary, around 40k per year, a house to pay and 4 cats to feed, i don't have that kind of money to spend for treatments all the time. Sometimes i get out of the doctor office and i feel zero inflammation, when i do mine i got a freaken limp after i finish and i feel it inflammed.

Plus with the added 200mg of testosterone injectable a week that will do extra repair, i have been told that with this dosage collagen is produced along red blood cells, i been on TRT for about 6 weeks now.

When the needle is sharp you don't have to stab yourself, i am not afraid of needles anymore. I was 6 weeks ago when i first injected T, i almost passed out, but its really painless.

[fossilfuel7]

Yannick, can you please pm the site where you got the Dextrose from?..I had Prolo done a few years ago with a little help..but the doctor would just do a little at a time and it was so damn expensive I only went twice.

I have been thinking of doing the same thing to myself and it is interesting that I found your thread.

I wish I could find a centrifuge and do PRP on myself..because I have read that it works even better for muscle and tendon injuries which is what I would be using it for.

[lovbyts]

OK I get you now. I had watched a few videos on Prolotherapy and they always did multiple fast injections. I'm hoping to get similar results from the Alflutops, tendon repair and TRT.

[yannick35]

OK I get you now. I had watched a few videos on Prolotherapy and they always did multiple fast injections. I'm hoping to get similar results from the Alflutops, tendon repair and TRT.

I don't do multiple injections in fact i do it exactly the same way my medical doctor did, one point at a time, i can also due sub Q in the muscle which give good relief too. I am starting with a new guy this year he is a chiropractor but man he studied the human body, he has also studied prolotherapy, he will do the treatments at 65$ and will even write me recites for chiropractic treatments, i already have the dextrose and will probably buy some GH to inject, it will work far better then PRP, i got results for PRP but my problem is not solve 100%.

[lovbyts]

Very nice, sounds like a good guy and protect him, dont tell anyone so he doesn't get in trouble; insurance can be a b*tch/PITA not covering what they should. I have had a couple docs do similar for me in the past.

I think part of the therapy is not just the dextrose but the purpose of ding multiple injections is the get the body to do repairs in that area again and hopefully re repairing it will do more. It's similar to topical scar tissue repair. By stimulating the area helps heal/repair it.

[Times Roman]

doesn't seem there is mch clinical data to support the efficncy of this procedure..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolotherapy

[yannick35]

doesn't seem there is mch clinical data to support the efficncy of this procedure..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prolotherapy

Times that is total crap, continue to read on theses scientific nonsense date. This actually makes me laught my a$$ off because its always the same, the more people change the more they stay the same.

I won't debat this at all i did it on martial arts planet and got banned. I don't care about what science says you know why because no proper studies where ever done why.

Because prolotherapy has too many variables to look into, and cannot just be done like that. Proper blood work must be done to make sure the body is primed to repair itself, proper dosage must be given to make sure enough inflammaton is induced, then proper follow up must be done afterward.

A proper diet and supplements must be given to insure that the treatment is successful.

I have been to many prolotherapy clinics and have seen it all, some where ready to treat me without blood test, with small dosage and more, and guess what i got minimal results.

Sometimes people must be put on testosterone to boost the immune system, other times prolo can be done with GH and Test injections to make sure the ligament is fed.

Theses scientific studies and worst a wikipedia link which i don't thrust the content are all bonked.

Before prolotherapy i was going to the dirty chiroprators that messed me up, i was so screwed up and my body was not even mine anymore, popping from everywhere, my pelvic was getting unaligned all the time i could crack it back up myself, my upper back suffered from all theses ajustements.

Prolotherapy saved my life and gave some of it back to me. This is my statement and i beg people to do there reseach and don't beleive in any scientific nonesense to make them turn away from this amazing treatment, prolotherapy is gaining popularity in portion, compared to worthless chiropratic adjustements and physio and other crooks who fix nothing and take people money away.

[lovbyts]

Times that is total crap, continue to read on theses scientific nonsense date. This actually makes me laught my a$$ off because its always the same, the more people change the more they stay the same.

I won't debat this at all i did it on martial arts planet and got banned. I don't care about what science says you know why because no proper studies where ever done why.

Because prolotherapy has too many variables to look into, and cannot just be done like that. Proper blood work must be done to make sure the body is primed to repair itself, proper dosage must be given to make sure enough inflammaton is induced, then proper follow up must be done afterward.

A proper diet and supplements must be given to insure that the treatment is successful.

I have been to many prolotherapy clinics and have seen it all, some where ready to treat me without blood test, with small dosage and more, and guess what i got minimal results.

Sometimes people must be put on testosterone to boost the immune system, other times prolo can be done with GH and Test injections to make sure the ligament is fed.

Theses scientific studies and worst a wikipedia link which i don't thrust the content are all bonked.

Before prolotherapy i was going to the dirty chiroprators that messed me up, i was so screwed up and my body was not even mine anymore, popping from everywhere, my pelvic was getting unaligned all the time i could crack it back up myself, my upper back suffered from all theses ajustements.

Prolotherapy saved my life and gave some of it back to me. This is my statement and i beg people to do there reseach and don't beleive in any scientific nonesense to make them turn away from this amazing treatment, prolotherapy is gaining popularity in portion, compared to worthless chiropratic adjustements and physio and other crooks who fix nothing and take people money away.

From the research I got out if it that is the key, it's a mechanism to make/trick the body into repairing itself again more than it is a cure itself had a lot of people have had good success with it. It's a lot safer, less invasive than most of the main stream cures such as drugs, pain meds and surgery.

[Times Roman]

Times that is total crap, continue to read on theses scientific nonsense date. This actually makes me laught my a$$ off because its always the same, the more people change the more they stay the same.

I won't debat this at all i did it on martial arts planet and got banned. I don't care about what science says you know why because no proper studies where ever done why.

Because prolotherapy has too many variables to look into, and cannot just be done like that. Proper blood work must be done to make sure the body is primed to repair itself, proper dosage must be given to make sure enough inflammaton is induced, then proper follow up must be done afterward.

A proper diet and supplements must be given to insure that the treatment is successful.

I have been to many prolotherapy clinics and have seen it all, some where ready to treat me without blood test, with small dosage and more, and guess what i got minimal results.

Sometimes people must be put on testosterone to boost the immune system, other times prolo can be done with GH and Test injections to make sure the ligament is fed.

Theses scientific studies and worst a wikipedia link which i don't thrust the content are all bonked.

Before prolotherapy i was going to the dirty chiroprators that messed me up, i was so screwed up and my body was not even mine anymore, popping from everywhere, my pelvic was getting unaligned all the time i could crack it back up myself, my upper back suffered from all theses ajustements.

Prolotherapy saved my life and gave some of it back to me. This is my statement and i beg people to do there reseach and don't beleive in any scientific nonesense to make them turn away from this amazing treatment, prolotherapy is gaining popularity in portion, compared to worthless chiropratic adjustements and physio and other crooks who fix nothing and take people money away.

true. i didn't do much research into this. but to say something is too complex for the scientific approach to apply is crap also. one could also say the same thing about a variety of things, like homeopothy, or chiropractic, or accupuncture.

it may be more appropriate to say that there is insufficient research to provide the data one such as myself would be looking for. I will easily admit that without clinical data, doesn't automatically make something ineffective.

but on the other side, popularity doesn't make something legitimate also. for example, those copper bracelets we seem to see people wear. supposed to cure arthritas, inflamation, etc. no data.

or what about magnetic therapy, where magnets would be strategically placed around the body, and supposed to realign our "chi" or body energy. No data.

There are people who will swear that chanting works, as does positive affirmation. They may firmly believe this to be the truth. But to me, I'm a skeptic, and this is at best, second hand information without the support of clinical data.

So the observation i made is a valid observation. it is factual and to the point. notice how I didn't say that it was BS? All I said was that there doesn't seem to be much clinical data to support the efficiency of this procedure.

[yannick35]

Guys there are different types of proliferation so that are great some that are standard.

PRP palatel rich plasma will work very well because it takes your own blood pass into a centrifuge the palatel are augmented to repair and feed the injured part.

Right now there are mixed reviews for this type of prolotherapy.

Standard prolotherapy is based on dextrose and xylocaine, its not a cure all its will not work if your immune system is not primed, reason why, it only causes inflammation the body needs to do the rest, so if someone has low testosterone level, hormone imbalance, eats junk food, has a bad immune system or other it will not work due to the body unable to repair itself.

Then there are new kinds of prolotherapy with GH and testosterone which has you know i plan on looking into real soon, theses are aimed to repair the injured part, not only cause inflamation.

90% of not more of prolotherapist out there even Hauser will use the standard approach, some will blood test you, other won't.

They will use dextrose 5cc and 35cc of xylocaine that is the standard dosage, anyone using less will cause failure.

The treated part must be stiff, stay tender and inflammed for at least 3 days, during this time you need to rest.

This is pretty much what i can tell you for now to have success with prolotherapy.

[yannick35]

lovbys i am looking into Adequan® I.M. right now will keep you posted if i decided to add it to my prolo mix.

[yannick35]

lovbys i am looking into Adequan® I.M. right now will keep you posted if i decided to add it to my prolo mix.

Not sure if that study can be trusted of not but

The effect of intramuscular polysulfated glycosaminoglycan (PSG)(Adequan®) on repair of cartilage injury was evaluated in eight horses. In each horse, one middle carpal joint had both a partial-thickness and a full-thickness articular cartilage defect created. In the contralateral middle carpal joint, chemical articular cartilage injury was created by intra-articular injection of 50 mg sodium monoiodoacetate (MIA). Horses were divided into two groups for treatment. Group 1 horses (control) received an intramuscular injection of normal saline every four days for a total of seven injections starting seven days after cartilage injury. Group 2 horses received 500 mg of PSG intramuscularly every four days for seven treatments starting seven days after cartilage injury. Horses were maintained for 12 weeks. Horses were evaluated clinically, and their middle carpal joints were evaluated radiographically and arthroscopically at the end of the study. Joint tissues were also collected and examined microscopically. The only significant difference between groups was slightly greater matrix staining intensity for glycosaminoglycans in the radiate articular cartilage layer in MIA injected and PSG treated joints. Partial-thickness defects had not healed and the predominant repair tissue in full-thickness defects was fibrous tissue. It was concluded that using this joint injury model, 500 mg PSG administered intramuscularly had no effect on the healing of articular cartilage lesions, and minimal chondroprotective effect from chemically induced articular cartilage degeneration.

[lovbyts]

Hmmmm well like everything there are studies that go both ways I guess and there is always the chance they just put it out there so people wont use it but??? it's still disappointing.
Thanks for the find.

[yannick35]

Hmmmm well like everything there are studies that go both ways I guess and there is always the chance they just put it out there so people wont use it but??? it's still disappointing.
Thanks for the find.

I research everything to death bro by now i got screwed so many times. Also this stuff is very expensive, most reviews i have seen by people with horses or even dogs have to use this all the time, its not a one time deal. I am looking into GH right now and it really looks promising.

[lovbyts]

No it's not one time, same with Alflutops, you use it x# days a week for x# of weeks then typically 1x a month after that. Most everyone reports if you stop using it completely some of the pain will come back so that does show it does not really heal/fix the problem but only somehow help with lubrication, pain, inflammation or ? Either way it's better than taking pain meds to cover it or prescription anti inflammatory.

I hopefully will know in a couple more weeks if it works or not. Alflutops.

[yannick35]

No it's not one time, same with Alflutops, you use it x# days a week for x# of weeks then typically 1x a month after that. Most everyone reports if you stop using it completely some of the pain will come back so that does show it does not really heal/fix the problem but only somehow help with lubrication, pain, inflammation or ? Either way it's better than taking pain meds to cover it or prescription anti inflammatory.

I hopefully will know in a couple more weeks if it works or not. Alflutops.

MMM please keep me updated on this product.

[yannick35]

Since starting my own prolotherapy i can say that my lower back has improved a tone, honest to god, everything is a lot thicker, maybe the deca is working to ticken the lower back muscles, but the ligaments are a lot stronger, its a shame i can't pull my arms to inject near my neck and upper back LOL. I can't go to deep in the hip but try to hit the ligaments on the surface.

I kind of save 160$ per treatment doing it myself and since i am not cheap on the dextrose i use i can cover a lot more then the medical doctor does.

[Hazey]

Yannick,
Been looking into IAGH myself. I have been curious about a dosage regimine in order to repair damaged cartilage in my knee. Also wondering whether to mix GH with sterile water, dextrose or just straight from the vial that I reconstituted. Only dose I have found is 1.2 iu but there was no mention of how often and for how long. Have you found info regarding these and where? Thanks

[yannick35]

Yannick,
Been looking into IAGH myself. I have been curious about a dosage regimine in order to repair damaged cartilage in my knee. Also wondering whether to mix GH with sterile water, dextrose or just straight from the vial that I reconstituted. Only dose I have found is 1.2 iu but there was no mention of how often and for how long. Have you found info regarding these and where? Thanks

This is very personal, i have read wonders with prolo and GH and suspension testosterone .

I no longer do my own prolotherapy i found a guy that treats me the right way like it should be done. Lots of injections covering all injured parts, 1-1 dextrose xylocaine mix 50mg suspension testosterone, 3IU for GH and 400 IU each for vitamine B1 and B12

I have this done once a week 25-30CC each part, meaning upper back, lower back and hip joint. Its been going great.

Water based can be mixed with water based, GH can be mixed in sterile water but be aware that it will be good for 1 week, so if you have 18IU you might want to use bacterial water to make it last longer.

Try once a week for 6 weeks to see how it goes. I read a tesimony about a guy that did this minus the GH and had cartilage regrowth after 6 months, he want from being in bed ridden to sprinting.

[Minimogul]

Very, very interested in this combo for my knee. I don't have anyone local or reasonably priced to help me and I am very confident I could treat myself. I'm new to hg and prolo and needles, but not squeamish , I may need a little coaching to understand the lingo and to get the correct order and prep down I.e mixing the cocktail etc. I've seen every prolo video out there and had my knee joint shot several times with cortisone. I am scheduled for a prp injection next month ($800 plus $500 for the 120cc blood kit). I would like to start doing my knee (maybe both) after this. I like your approach Yannick35. Any help would be greatly appreciated . I am highly motivated. Two MRI's grade3 chrondamalasia and horizontal tear on my lateral meniscus, lots of crunching etc... 40 yrs old.... Gunnar in Seattle Wa

[yannick35]

Very, very interested in this combo for my knee. I don't have anyone local or reasonably priced to help me and I am very confident I could treat myself. I'm new to hg and prolo and needles, but not squeamish , I may need a little coaching to understand the lingo and to get the correct order and prep down I.e mixing the cocktail etc. I've seen every prolo video out there and had my knee joint shot several times with cortisone. I am scheduled for a prp injection next month ($800 plus $500 for the 120cc blood kit). I would like to start doing my knee (maybe both) after this. I like your approach Yannick35. Any help would be greatly appreciated . I am highly motivated. Two MRI's grade3 chrondamalasia and horizontal tear on my lateral meniscus, lots of crunching etc... 40 yrs old.... Gunnar in Seattle Wa

PRP would be your best option at this point, i am not sure if prolo would help, dextrose and xylo would be great for laxity but a tear..................... i have read mixed reviews about PRP got it done myself worked amazing for the sacro illiac but the rest just sucked.

Try PRP and see how it goes if not get the surgery. I found another guy that does prolo on me so i stopped doing it on myself but i used to mix 1 for 1 1cc xylo with 1cc dextose and 50mg suspension testosterone to rebuild.