Well thanks to this site, and perfectbeasts post on losing bodyfat with clen and stict diet, I was able to shed about 20 lbs of fat and I actually gained about 4lbs of muscle, the before pic is me at 230 lbs at about 23% bodyfat, the second pic I'm 214 at about 17 % bodyfat, thanks to you guys I'll keep at it, this was over a 7 week span, check out perfectbeasts post on clen and diet cycles-----