Recovery from 2-year blast and cruise?

History here:
https://forums.steroid.com/new-male-...ew-canada.html

TL;DR... Cliffs:
- 35yrs old, 6'1, 225lbs
- Best lifts were SQ 385, BP 295, DL 405.
- Never used gear before, despite being told to go on if I wanted to make any more progress. I planned on going on after my next PL meet but didn't end up going on because I messed myself up real good during the meet and never recovered fully.
- Riddled with injuries, but determined to keep at it.
- Committed to doing a bodybuilding contest in 2020 with a long time lifting buddy.
- Been reading lots and discussing gear with my lifting buddies. Have a good source too. You only live once, so I want to give it a shot.

2 and a half years to the contest. Straight up cycles gives me 4 good cycles. 18 weeks on (12+PCT), 18 off, etc, 4th cycle being the contest cycle, final PCT starts the week after the contest. By all accounts I should fully recover using this method, but apparently gains are limited doing cycles and the emotional swing is massive (which may not be good for me as I already have some depression/anxiety issues).

The other option seems to be to blast and cruise my way there. However, from what I've read so far it seems like the consensus is that B&C = TRT for life. Any chance of a successful PCT after a 2 year B&C?

I'm not planning on going insane on dosages.
- 500mg Test with HCG and an AI. Clomid and Nolva for PCT (if doing cycles)
- 150mg-200mg with an AI, HCG as needed (if cruising).
- Maybe adding Deca and Var in future cycles/blasts. Thinking primo, halo, and var for the contest cycle.

Talked to my doc and she trusts my judgement and is up for writing scripts for bloods as often as I need. Plan to get bloods before starting, during cycles/blasts, 2 weeks after each PCT (or mid-cruise), and again after it is all over. Will probably be in here often for help with conclusions regarding some of the blood work.

Sorry for all the writing. I see a trend of certain questions being asked to every poster and am trying to answer as many questions ahead of time as I can.

Again, TL;DR... Cliffs = "Any chance of a successful PCT after a 2 year B&C?"

I would not B&C for two years unless your are ready to commit to TRT just in case.
There's always a chance for a successful pct. You just don't know until you try.
BW should be about 8 weeks post pct, not two as you're still hyperstimulated from serms and not at absolute homeostatis.

Appreciate the comment and note about BW timing.

Here's a weird one... A buddy of mine is suggesting I go on Clomid and Nolva, even though I've never cycled anything before. He thinks based on my life-long lifting progress and physique that I have low test, and the solution is Clomid & Nolva. Not TRT?

Getting blood work soon anyways, so I guess we'll know in a few weeks.

I'm no expert, but I've destroyed the search engines on the usual forums and never seen that kind of suggestion (except post-cycle). Any thoughts on that?

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Originally Posted by skid_ofshame

History here:
https://forums.steroid.com/new-male-...ew-canada.html

TL;DR... Cliffs:
- 35yrs old, 6'1, 225lbs, BF in high teens
- Best lifts were SQ 385, BP 295, DL 405.
- Never used gear before, despite being told to go on if I wanted to make any more progress. I planned on going on after my next PL meet but didn't end up going on because I messed myself up real good during the meet and never recovered fully.
- Riddled with injuries, but determined to keep at it.
- Committed to doing a bodybuilding contest in 2020 with a long time lifting buddy.
- Been reading lots and discussing gear with my lifting buddies. Have a good source too. You only live once, so I want to give it a shot.

2 and a half years to the contest. Straight up cycles gives me 4 good cycles. 18 weeks on (12+PCT), 18 off, etc, 4th cycle being the contest cycle, final PCT starts the week after the contest. By all accounts I should fully recover using this method, but apparently gains are limited doing cycles and the emotional swing is massive (which may not be good for me as I already have some depression/anxiety issues).

The other option seems to be to blast and cruise my way there. However, from what I've read so far it seems like the consensus is that B&C = TRT for life. Any chance of a successful PCT after a 2 year B&C?

I'm not planning on going insane on dosages.
- 500mg Test with HCG and an AI. Clomid and Nolva for PCT (if doing cycles)
- 150mg-200mg with an AI, HCG as needed (if cruising).
- Maybe adding Deca and Var in future cycles/blasts. Thinking primo, halo, and var for the contest cycle.

Talked to my doc and she trusts my judgement and is up for writing scripts for bloods as often as I need. Plan to get bloods before starting, during cycles/blasts, 2 weeks after each PCT (or mid-cruise), and again after it is all over. Will probably be in here often for help with conclusions regarding some of the blood work.

Sorry for all the writing. I see a trend of certain questions being asked to every poster and am trying to answer as many questions ahead of time as I can.

Again, TL;DR... Cliffs = "Any chance of a successful PCT after a 2 year B&C?"

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To be honest with you bro, if you are healthy and happy, I would stay away from steroids. You’ll have the best two years of your life but the aftermath will be very dark. If I knew what I know today, I probably wouldn’t of touched the stuff.

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Originally Posted by skid_ofshame

Appreciate the comment and note about BW timing.

Here's a weird one... A buddy of mine is suggesting I go on Clomid and Nolva, even though I've never cycled anything before. He thinks based on my life-long lifting progress and physique that I have low test, and the solution is Clomid & Nolva. Not TRT?

Getting blood work soon anyways, so I guess we'll know in a few weeks.

I'm no expert, but I've destroyed the search engines on the usual forums and never seen that kind of suggestion (except post-cycle). Any thoughts on that?

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Clomid by itself is a form of TRT that is used more for younger people concerned with fertility. Nolva is a serm that works similarly to clomid. Put them together and you have an effective pct protocol.
You need full blood work before you embark on anything.

Check out the Power PCT Protocol post.

https://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-...-protocol.html

No matter... Looks like I won't be cycling any time soon anyways... My "normal" T levels are apparently that of a 100+ year old man.
https://forums.steroid.com/%2A%2Acon...ml#post7361482