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12-04-2012, 01:30 AM #1New Member
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Urgent help please
I had my bloods done on the 29/11/2012 i started my cycle on 30/11/2012 its a test enanthate and tren enanthate cycle.
I got my bloods back yesterday and my total testosterone was 13 nmol/L (10.0-33.0) or 374 ng/dL
I pinned again this morning.
Should i stop my cycle and do proper pct then see the Dr about HRT (should i cancel next weeks appointment or maybe try tell him im self medicating trt)? or finish it and then let my natural testosterone return to normal then get bloods done and see the Dr about HRT?
If i were top stop today, 2nd pin (day 4) how long will i have to wait for my natural test to return to my "normal" levels?
If i wait till i have finished my cycle and out of pct how long will i have to wait before i can get an accurate blood reading of total/free testosterone? will i lose much muscle mass in this time?
I have a Drs appointment sometime next week im booked in to ask him if we can look into HRT should i cancel this appointment?? what should i dooo help please
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12-04-2012, 01:40 AM #2New Member
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sort of thinking i should cancel the appointment next week, finish my cycle then climb back to the top with nolva 40/40/20/20/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50/25/25 wait 2 weeks then get bloods done again
fuarrk this is doing my head in!!!!!!!!!!!
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12-04-2012, 06:28 AM #3
Hi fox. How old are you? How were you feeling in general when you had that blood test done?
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12-04-2012, 06:33 AM #4
What are your stats?
previous cycle history and everything you have took?
previous dosages
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12-04-2012, 09:44 AM #5
It takes a couple of weeks for the accumulated levels of Test E to really build in your body and about a month before you really feel it. Give it some time. Steroids aren't magic, you're not gonna feel like superman after a couple of shots. You do sound like you're new to the game. If this is the case, you should drop the Tren . That Tren can mess you up.
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12-05-2012, 01:10 AM #6New Member
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i was feeling fine, in good spirits i personally thought i had good testosterone levels but now that i think ive ate at a perfect diet for 1-2 years and i was at a decent size
Im 24 i did my 1st cycle at 23 wich was dbol and test e for 8 weeks was 450mg test-e a week and 30-40mg dbol ED for 4 weeks
here is my frame
ps. i had just finished a 7 month cut. was on DNP for a majority of that time my last week i was dosing between 600-1000mg a day i stopped because i got paranoid of burning muscle
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12-05-2012, 02:27 AM #7
i personally feel that when it comes to low test and trt, the most important criteria is actually your subjective feelings. there are people with low total test and feel pretty good with it. they obviously dont need any treatment. there are people with seemingly normal test but feel lousy and lethargic all the time. these people will need further evaluation.
so for your case, you total test is borderline low. and you felt great at that point when the blood was taken. it may have been artificially lowered by your previous cycle, or from the dnp . but if you felt good, my guess is that you dont need trt.
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12-05-2012, 03:15 AM #8New Member
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thanks for the response im wondering if it was the dnp and running my calories really low. anyways i read somewhere to try 100mg clomid for 30 days during pct apparently its meant to kick start ya nuts so going to do that, run my pct for 6 weeks have 2 weeks off clomid then get bloods done. im hoping it will fix it if it doesnt then i can tell my dr i have tried the clomid test.
as for feelings before i cycled there were days where im just not in the mood for the gym but somehow i push through this. i was never been able to break past 80-85kg barrier on the bench press so im think its cos of low testosterone . low testosterone = low androgens = less strength?
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12-05-2012, 04:20 AM #9
could just be the low calories that caused the decreased strength. if you're on a cut, you wouldn't be setting any personal best
are you're going to stop your cycle, and do pct?
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12-05-2012, 05:06 AM #10New Member
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Ah ok yeah your right with the strength decrease cos of low cal I lost abit of strength. I put 10kg to my atg in the 1st 4 days only at day 5 now
I'm gunna complete my cycle no way in hell am I gunna do pct twice lol besides I'm probly already going to be supressed by a fair bit.
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12-05-2012, 05:16 AM #11
after you're done with your current cycle, i suggest you do the standard nolva/clomid pct like you stated above, instead of just clomid like you stated below. nolva and clomid compliment each other and do a better job combined than either one alone.
if you check your bloodworks too soon after pct, your total test may still be high due the effects of the pct. if you want to have a good gauge of your new baseline after the cycle, wait about 6-8wks after completing pct.
good luck!
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12-05-2012, 06:08 PM #12New Member
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02-08-2013, 03:45 AM #13
Did you run a pct after your first cycle. If you didn't then you may have ****ed yourself. Not trying to be harsh just truthful.
Please update us on your progress
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02-08-2013, 07:54 AM #14
Gains will only be gone if you get lazy during pct. gotta keep hitting the gym and eating properly. You don't just do this while on gear. This is where guys lose it because they just don't tough it out and work to keep it!!!
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02-08-2013, 11:27 AM #15
No, way. A person who uses gear to push past his normal limits will regress over time back to those normal limits. A great deal is lost around PCT time because testosterone levels drop to almost nothing. I had my test checked one time during PCT, and it was barely 100.
It is very difficult to keep any level of muscle with a test level of 100.
People who cycle once they have maxed out naturally are constantly playing a game of ballooning up 20 pounds past their natural limit and then losing it, maybe hopping on the next cycle when they have lost 15 pounds or so, and blowing up by another 20, and losing as they come off. They keep cycling, hoping to keep it, and maybe they go back "on" in time to keep 5 pounds or so of the unnatural gains, but if you stay off the gear, you are going back to your natural limits, no matter how proper your diet and workout.
With all of that having been said, there is no way a 23 or 24 year old has hit his natural limits yet. I am guessing somebody who does not have the patience to max himself out naturally might keep a lot more of his gains, but only because those are gains that he could have made naturally. It would have just taken more time.
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02-08-2013, 09:42 PM #16Knowledgeable Member
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Originally Posted by oldnsedentary
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02-08-2013, 09:52 PM #17Banned
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I totally agree with Fit2bOld. Although you will lose a small percentage of weight, mostly water..you will hold onto most of your weight gain (LBM) IF you increase your cals to reflect your newly acquired LBM.
If you maintain increased caloric intake and steady exercise, you will NOT RETURN to your pre cycle body weight. That's a physiological and biological fact.
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02-09-2013, 06:55 AM #18Knowledgeable Member
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Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
Where does the balance come in? Do you gain any additional fat? I lean bulk for this reason. I can't let it all go post cycle to make myself feel better when stepping on the scale. I'd rather say lean.
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Do you even read what i write? Or do you simply skip to the parts that suit you and ignore the facts? I seriously question your ability to comprehend basic English.
I realize you enjoy arguing, but are you now going to argue with science and basic physiology? Are you kidding me? If you continue down this road i'll have no choice but to completely ignore you because you dont make any sense. And for a guy who loves the sound of his own voice, that's gotta hurt..Last edited by MickeyKnox; 02-09-2013 at 05:04 PM.
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02-09-2013, 08:30 PM #20Knowledgeable Member
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Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
Feed your mass huh? Just because you maintain the same weight doesn't mean you maintain the same lean mass. Go above maintenance on cycle and you can gain fat. Go above maintenance off cycle and I guarantee you will gain fat. But if you feel better stepping in the scale seeing the same number and can convince yourself you lean mass numbers are the same. Go ahead and live in denial.Last edited by swm1972; 02-09-2013 at 09:26 PM.
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How many times are you going to edit your posts? Until they sound right? Jesus Christ..get a life..
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02-10-2013, 03:04 AM #22Originally Posted by swm1972
Even at 500cals above maintenance you won't gain fat.
Whether on cycle or off
If cals are clean macro split is spot on no bf% should be made.
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02-10-2013, 07:34 AM #23Knowledgeable Member
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Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
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02-10-2013, 07:49 AM #24Knowledgeable Member
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Originally Posted by panntastic
This is what I am talking about:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/16151460/
CONCLUSION: Aging is accompanied by a decrease in REE that is significantly greater than what is predicted by variations in body composition. This decrease may reach a mean level of about 500-800 kj/day.
At 500 calories over maintenance (on calculations meant for you younger guys) based on factoring in age as the study mentions above you could easily find yourself 1000-1300 calories above baseline. Development is a much more difficult balancing act when you get older. Fat seems to comes so much easier then it once did.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15817855/
CONCLUSION: The present approach establishes an REE-body composition link with the use of a model at the cellular level. The combination of 2 aging-related factors (ie, decline in both the mass and the cellular fraction of organs and tissues) may account for the lower REE observed in elderly adults.
And as you age it becomes more and more of an issue.
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02-10-2013, 08:22 AM #26Knowledgeable Member
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Originally Posted by MickeyKnox
The links I posted are relevant current medical studies that shoot your one size fits all over maintenance theories down fairly quickly. Once again you are commenting on something's you have zero experience concerning because you haven't lived it. I am 40 and live it everyday. Unfortunately we didn't even get the benefit of Wikipedias opinion on age and metabolism effects upon each other. You are letting us down.
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02-10-2013, 09:04 AM #27
I don't come on this site to read about how much you two like each other
Nobody cares take it to the lounge
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