Female, 16 Week Cutting Cycle: EQ + Primo + Var (+Clen)

[ambernightly]

Compiled some quick numbers on my 4.5 week cycle. Got my Testosterone test back that was taken on the evening of the last day of the cycle (had a morning injection + 10mg Anadrol)... 812 ng/dL Total, 212 ng/dL Free. Um... wow. Hmm. Perhaps less doses next time. Sure felt good though... not like I didn't expect it to be pretty high at the end. Luckily no masculinization sides as of yet.

Note: started taking 200mg/day of Progesterone to get my prolactin back up. Helps with off-cycle depression as well. Helps to have a well stocked endocrine pharmacy at home

4.5 Week Cycle - Compounds List
590mg Primobolan Enthanate	131mg/week avg
257mg Masteron Propionate	57mg/week avg
290mg Anavar	64mg/week avg
195mg Anadrol	43mg/week avg
350mg Equipoise	78mg/week avg
1660mcg Clenbuterol	Two week cycle
105iu Humulin R Insulin	16 total days
980mg Adderall XR	218mg/week avg
Body Fat - start:	17%
Body Fat - end:	6.6%
Weight - start:	168lbs
Weight - end:	175lbs

[GirlyGymRat]

Compiled some quick numbers on my 4.5 week cycle. Got my Testosterone test back that was taken on the evening of the last day of the cycle (had a morning injection + 10mg Anadrol)... 812 ng/dL Total, 212 ng/dL Free. Um... wow. Hmm. Perhaps less doses next time. Sure felt good though... not like I didn't expect it to be pretty high at the end. Luckily no masculinization sides as of yet. Note: started taking 200mg/day of Progesterone to get my prolactin back up. Helps with off-cycle depression as well. Helps to have a well stocked endocrine pharmacy at home

4.5 Week Cycle - Compounds List
590mg Primobolan Enthanate	131mg/week avg
257mg Masteron Propionate	57mg/week avg
290mg Anavar	64mg/week avg
195mg Anadrol	43mg/week avg
350mg Equipoise	78mg/week avg
1660mcg Clenbuterol	Two week cycle
105iu Humulin R Insulin	16 total days
980mg Adderall XR	218mg/week avg
Body Fat - start:	17%
Body Fat - end:	6.6%
Weight - start:	168lbs
Weight - end:	175lbs

PCT is often deemed not required for females. Appreciate the details. I felt a low coming off var and primo but low was not long lasting.

I did have some hair growth which did irritate me a tad...but it wasn't too bad. I am still getting laser hair removal so just get it zapped the next time

[ambernightly]

PCT is often deemed not required for females. Appreciate the details. I felt a low coming off var and primo but low was not long lasting.

I did have some hair growth which did irritate me a tad...but it wasn't too bad. I am still getting laser hair removal so just get it zapped the next time

I've come across the "PCT not required" several times, and agree that it typically isn't necessary; usually that's discussed in threads where women are taking low dose Var only cycle or Var + (low dose one other compound). But how many women are running the amount of gear I do in my cycles? Hard to say. My guess is not many. Being prepared is what productive and responsible AAS use is about - and that's where PCT comes in for women even if plenty of people think it's not required (and to be honest, if a girl is running 5-10mg/ED of Var then PCT probably isn't going to be needed but that's definitely not how I roll).

There's a lot of risk getting testosterone up that high for us and my approach to PCT is to shut down all potential sides as soon as my cycle is over: I do not want my voice changing, I do not want an adam's apple, I don't want back hair, etc. I want the gains and as few of the sides as possible. No one likes to talk about virilization or masculinization with women using AAS... but it should be discussed. The more information and personal experiences we have with Female AAS Cycles the more easily we can benefit from the gains and reduce health risks and side effects. I'm a heavy proponent of keeping every medication possible on hand to manage things - if I'm going to start raging one day I better have some anti-anxiety meds on hand to calm me down so I don't literally get into a fight or do something stupid; if my heart is going full hypertensive at the gym then I get my BP med out of the gym bag and calm myself down.

Seems it's difficult to know about the typical doses that FBB use due to the stigma attached to women using AAS - female cycles simply aren't discussed in depth online. The majority of the reports I see are equivalent to "testing the water" of AAS usage or it's broad stroke major issues like a girl pinning Tren and Test and then asking if vocal changes can be reversed. Similarly I almost never read about female PCT and I believe this is due to the following observations:

Male PCT
1. Larger gender population of users for which to gather statistics
2. A lot is known about the compounds, doses, and time frames
3. Women don't spend as much time discussing things on the internet. Online forums for Steroid use (as well as other subjects) are inherently dominated by males. Ex: look at Reddit.com or other large social news / sub-forum type of sites... majority is males, therefore the majority of content available will be male oriented.

Female PCT
1. Smaller gender population of users for which to gather statistics
2. Not as much is known about the compounds, doses, and time frames
3. The medical industry is very well versed in treating Estrogen dominance and reducing/removing side effects for medical reasons: breast cancer being the biggest, gynecomastia in men, male anti-aging treatments, acne suppression in young men, HRT treatment for Female-to-Male transgender patients.
4. The medical industry is fairly well lacking in knowledge (by comparison) when it comes to reducing testosterone levels in women. Medications exist for prostate cancer in men, DHT blockers for balding men, chemical castration in sex offender men, birth control (ex: diane-35) for women, priapism in men, and in HRT regimens for Male-to-Female transgender patients.
5. Female specific estrogen therapy almost exclusively exists for post-menopausal women. The only other case I've ever seen for estrogen injections is for MtF patients and that realm of medicine is also very new and has a very small patient population. By contrast we have SO MANY testosterone and anabolic/androgenic medications for all manner of medical purposes unrelated to bodybuilding - but from all of the cancer research I've done (every grandparent died of cancer + my mom and stepmom have had breast cancer) there's never a discussion about preventing virilization side effects, only that they want to minimize it by dosing as small as possible with initial medications. I've never seen anti-androgens included with cancer treatment regimens (maybe they exist... just haven't seen them).

If it wasn't obvious, the medical industry is very heavily geared towards hormonal treatments for men. There's a lot of research to back this up too:

The medical research gender gap: how excluding women from clinical trials is hurting our health | Life and style | The Guardian
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...nder-gap/?_r=0
Leaving Women’s Health To Chance: Why You Should Care About The Medical Research ‘Gender Gap’ | Cognoscenti
Closing the Gender Gap — News Room - UNC Health Care
Clinical research gender gap hurts women's health - FierceHealthcare


Ok, wall of text is over.

[BG]

Well done !

[GirlyGymRat]

Well done !

^^^this!

[GirlyGymRat]

I don't know where u came from or how u found this site....just very thankful u shared a portion of your journey here. Respect!

[GirlyGymRat]

How's PCT? Anything good or not so good do report ?

[ambernightly]

How's PCT? Anything good or not so good do report ?

Almost at the end of 8 weeks since the beginning of my cycle, 22 days on PCT. Here's my spreadsheet since the last time I posted. Columns that had no data in them have been removed for clarity. I'll post nutrition in a separate one + another with some personal notes since the last time I tried to do one post with all of the data it didn't go well from a formatting standpoint. Also had two sets of blood work done so I'll discuss that.

Date	Week	AAS-Oral 1	AAS-Oral 2	AAS-1	AAS-2	Clen	Adderall	Other	Estradiol	CarnoSyn	Note
9/2/2015	6	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	-	-	0.3mg Clonidine	-	-	rest day
9/3/2015	6	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	-	-	0.3mg Clonidine	-	-	rest day
9/4/2015	6	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	-	-	40mg	0.3mg Clonidine	10mg IM	3g	cardio, arms, shoulders
9/5/2015	6	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	-	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	-	3g	cardio, squats, biceps
9/6/2015	6	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	-	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	-	-	rest day
9/7/2015	6	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	-	-	60mg	0.2mg Clonidine	-	3g	treadmill, spin, squats
9/8/2015	6	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	-	-	60mg	0.2mg Clonidine	-	2.5g	spin, triceps, forearms, shoulders
9/9/2015	7	300mg Spiro	1.0mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	-	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	5mg IM	2.5g	core, traps, squats, deadlifts
9/10/2015	7	300mg Spiro	1.0mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	200mg Progesterone	60mcg	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	-	-	rest day
9/11/2015	7	300mg Spiro	1.0mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	200mg Progesterone	75mcg	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	5mg IM	-	rest day
9/12/2015	7	400mg Spiro	1.0mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	200mg Progesterone	85mcg	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	1mg IM	-	rest day
9/13/2015	7	400mg Spiro	1.0mg Duta	200mg/200mg Cimetidine	200mg Progesterone	95mcg	40mg	-	1mg IM	-	road bike
9/14/2015	7	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	0mg/200mg Cimetidine	-	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	-	-	hypertension
9/15/2015	7	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	200mg/0mg Cimetidine	200mg Progesterone	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	2mg IM	-	hypertension
9/16/2015	8	300mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	200mg Progesterone	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	2mg IM	1.5g	arms, shoulders, squats
9/17/2015	8	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	200mg Progesterone	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	2mg IM	1.5g	shoulders, back
9/18/2015	8	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	200mg Progesterone	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	2mg IM	1.5g	cardio
9/19/2015	8	200mg Spiro	0.5mg Duta	-	200mg Progesterone	-	40mg	0.2mg Clonidine	2mg IM		short run

[ambernightly]

Nutritional stuff... I've still been maintaining a deficit of at least 1000 calories every day +/- 10%

Date	Calories	Protein	Fat	Sugars	Carbs	Fiber	Calcium	Potassium	Sodium	Cholesterol
9/2/2015	2549	134g	109g	119g	265g	26g	1431mg	329mg	2337mg	149mg
9/3/2015	1416	64g	65g	78g	139g	18g	652mg	893mg	947mg	507mg
9/4/2015	1858	99g	59g	97g	239g	26g	489mg	273mg	2163mg	119mg
9/5/2015	2325	57g	79g	145g	338g	20g	202mg	838mg	3501mg	66mg
9/6/2015	1727	60g	107g	75g	200g	24g	145mg	77mg	1965mg	46mg
9/7/2015	1285	35g	72g	106g	231g	10g	276mg	182mg	2362mg	458mg
9/8/2015	1808	61g	92g	69g	180g	10g	52mg	347mg	2519mg	333mg
9/9/2015	1687	70g	51g	39g	246g	21g	687mg	559mg	2830mg	208mg
9/10/2015	2055	154g	50g	139g	250g	24g	572mg	2467mg	1597mg	436mg
9/11/2015	2273	121g	80g	112g	284g	20g	916mg	547mg	4478mg	280mg
9/12/2015	1530	49g	48g	91g	230g	8g	420mg	0mg	2680mg	95mg
9/13/2015	1439	87g	63g	25g	124g	13g	300mg	0mg	2316mg	177mg
9/14/2015	1783	50g	77g	76g	234g	19g	494mg	1296mg	2103mg	55mg
9/15/2015	1861	75g	50g	137g	298g	27g	630mg	2260mg	1912mg	109mg
9/16/2015	1512	56g	33g	126g	256g	26g	461mg	1287mg	1525mg	49mg
9/17/2015	1959	131g	134g	83g	206g	36g	47mg	1474mg	3751mg	550mg
9/18/2015	1899	135g	108g	74g	243g	29g	446mg	859mg	3793mg	553mg

[ambernightly]

Blood work time... Test is still high but coming down correctly with PCT planning. You can see the levels that correspond with a cycle I did this past spring as well. Liver tests were crazy in August but have recovered via TUDCA and Organ Shield.

Test Name	Reference Range	3/11/2015	5/20/2015	7/29/2015	8/28/2015	9/16/2015
Estradiol (E2)	11-462 ng/dL (HRT)	96.1	604.4 H	1467	36	409
TSH	0.34 - 4.82 uIU/mL				3.14	2.19
Testosterone Total	14 - 54 ng/dL	<3 L	259 H	138 H	812 H	136 H
Testosterone Free pg/mL	0.1-6.4 pg/mL ???
Testosterone Free nmol/L	0.003 - 0.037 nmol/L	0.087 nmol/L	1.52 nmol/L	0.053 nmol/L	7.36 nmol/L	0.067 nmol/L
Testosterone Free ng/dL	0.3-1.9 ng/dL	2.5 ng/dL	43.7 ng/dL	1.53 ng/dL	212 ng/dL	1.93 ng/dL
GGT	5 - 55 U/L		8	5		11
DHEA Sulfate	40 - 325 ug/dL				52	44
DHT	5 - 46 ng/dL					<5 L
Vitamin D	30 - 100 ng/mL	20.3 L		35	35	39
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio	<5.0				2.5	2.4
Cholesterol	<200 mg/dL	181	135		123	143
HDL Cholesterol	>50 mg/dL	63	38 L		49	60
LDL Cholesterol	<130 mg/dL	104 H	83		60	72
Triglycerides	<150 mg/dL	69	72		70	56
Abs Basophil	0.0 - 0.2 K/uL	0		0	0	0
Basophil	%0.0 - 2.0 %	1		0	1	0
Differential Type		Automated		Automated	Automated	Automated
Abs Eosinophil	0.0 - 0.5 K/uL	0.2		0.2	0.1	0.1
Eosinophil	%0.0 - 5.0 %	3		2	1	1
Hematocrit	35.0 - 47.0 %	38.5		38.8	43	44.3
Hemoglobin	11.7 - 15.5 g/dL	13		12.7	14.2	15.1
Abs Lymphocyte	1.0 - 5.1 K/uL	2.3		2.3	2.1	1.9
Lymphocyte	%26.0 - 46.0 %	44		23 L	24 L	23 L
MCH	27.0 - 33.0 pg	30.2		29	30.5	31.5
MCHC	31.0 - 36.0 g/dL	33.8		32.7	33	34.1
MCV	80 - 100 fL	90		89	93	93
Abs Monocyte	0.0 - 0.8 K/uL	0.6		1.0 H	0.9 H	0.9 H
Monocyte	%2.0 - 12.0 %	12		10	10	11
Abs Neutrophil	2.0 - 8.0 K/uL	2.1		6.7	5.7	5.2
Neutrophil	%49.0 - 74.0 %	40		65	64	65
Platelet Count	150 - 400 K/uL	333		334	325	302
RBC	3.90 - 5.40 M/uL	4.3		4.38	4.65	4.79
RDW	<16.4 %	12.4		13.4	15.1	13.2
WBC	4.0 - 11.0 K/uL	5.2		10.2	8.8	8.1

[ambernightly]

Oh yeah, the Metabolic Panel is super important... this shows how my liver was super stressed at the last day of my cycle (8/28) and then shows how it recovered (AST, ALT levels in conjunction with GGT (in the sheet above this one)). Once again, if rows are missing data it's because a test wasn't performed that time - which is why GGT isn't on the 8/28 test and that had me concerned because high AST and ALT = liver stress, high AST + high ALT + high GGT = liver damage. So I had a minor freak out and got some TUDCA and things are looking better now.

Note: if you cannot see all of the data on your monitor b/c the table doesn't wrap - try zooming out on your browser and the text will get smaller and show the whole table, or make your browser window bigger.

Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
Albumin	3.2 - 4.7 g/dL	4.4	4.3	3.8	4.5	4.5
Alkaline Phosphatase	26 - 137 U/L	46	44	50	50	60
ALT	0 - 60 U/L	27	35	31	72 H	39
AST	0 - 37 U/L	26	40	28	87 H	36
Bilirubin Total	<1.1 mg/dL	0.3	0.4	0.3	0.3	0.6
Calcium	8.2 - 10.2 mg/dL	9.4	8.9	8.9	8.7	9.2
Chloride	98 - 107 mmol/L	99	99	102	102	99
CO2 (Bicarbonate)	21 - 32 mmol/L	26	25	32	26	27
Creatinine	0.40 - 0.80 mg/dL	0.75 L	0.91	0.53	0.81 H	0.69
GFR	>60	120	109	123	94	113
Glucose	70 - 99 mg/dL	89	93	93	76	84
Potassium	3.5 - 5.1 mmol/L	4	4.7	4.1	3.3 L	5.2 H
Total Protein	6.4 - 8.2 g/dL	6.8	6.2	7.2	7.9	7.8
Sodium	136 - 145 mmol/L	141	138	141	140	136
Urea Nitrogen (BUN)	6 - 25 mg/dL	13	17	7	23	15

[GirlyGymRat]

Thanks for the update. BW is a must, esp when running "advanced" cycles!

I take it you adjust PCT based on BW!

Glad to see everything falling back into range.

[ambernightly]

Thanks for the update. BW is a must, esp when running "advanced" cycles!

I take it you adjust PCT based on BW!

Glad to see everything falling back into range.

I assume you mean Body Weight, yes? In which case... I do not adjust PCT medication dosage based on weight. However, I do adjust my nutrition and meal planning on BMR caloric requirements, which are weight dependent.

[ara]

Did you notice any adverse side affects with Total Testosterone at 812 during the week of 8/28.

[ara]

And to the contrary did training improve with the levels that high? That's quite high for a female but I'm curious if short bouts at that level improve results

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