giving blood

[squat_epcot]

does this really help blood pressure? and how effective is hawthorn berries?

got a noise bleed tonight

[Halfcenturian]

Yes. Not Very.
Whats your BP off cycle / on cycle now?

[marcus300]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

[graeme87]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

excellent i need to get my rbc down

[graeme87]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

excellent i need to get my rbc down

[squat_epcot]

have you tried this before? If so what kind of bp did you have and then drop to.

i have a 150 bp right now...

[squat_epcot]

if i'm just starting the winny too will that raise it even higher?

I read today on yahoo answers somebody asked if giving blood will lower bp level and ALOT of people said no. So i'm really looking for anybody who has experience with this personally. And anybody know if there is a reason alot of people on yahoo said no where a few people have said yes on here. I understand steroids could be the key difference but i'm curious as to why.

Thanks

[ziinus]

It will drop your bp if you have too many r.b.c. That will sorta thin your blood

[Chris_ATV]

Will giving blood affect GAINS at all?
The increase in red blood cells is a good thing for pumps and feeding muscle isn't it?

[Ufa]

I just got back for getting CBC pannel. Looks like it's time to give blood.

[kuad]

give BLOOD!!!!!!!!

[kuad]

give blood?

[Haro3]

i know you're looking at this in the aspect of benefiting urself but you do realize they DO NOT want ur blood if you're on steroids right? i mean the waiver clearly asks if you have injected drugs in the last year. including steroids. they dont want ur blood

[STB]

i know you're looking at this in the aspect of benefiting urself but you do realize they DO NOT want ur blood if you're on steroids right? i mean the waiver clearly asks if you have injected drugs in the last year. including steroids. they dont want ur blood

Do they test it and throw it out? Injected drugs usually means heroin users...I wouldn't want their blood either. But someone using gear is probably in tip top condition. would be good for the frail to get some premium unleaded in them.


Bluesman

[Haro3]

the waiver i saw said no injected drugs including steroids. think about it....if u use a ugl you dont know if that stuff has any contaminents in it...so why would they wanna take the chance?

[Dog-Slime]

Who cares, it prob wont effect them any and if it does it prob just help with recovery. Also only thing I remember is it asks about if you shared a needle with someone.

[Ufa]

Lets be frank most blood comes from derelicts on Skin row. They sell
blood for booze. By the time it is mixed with your other blood I doubt
that there maybe a small difference wich they should be thankful for.
Those ingrates.

[Stackertoo]

Imagine someone getting Tren sides after needing a couple of pints.
Or a chick getting a strong dose of long ester test.

Lets be frank most blood comes from derelicts on Skin row. They sell
blood for booze. By the time it is mixed with your other blood I doubt
that there maybe a small difference wich they should be thankful for.
Those ingrates.

[ebjack]

I'm with HAro3...I don't think its right.

[Ufa]

When you consider that the average adult has 10 pints of blood
in their system you argument sucks.

[Haro3]

here how bout i make it real simple....they will test ur blood. but why waste the time? why take the chance of hurting someone else. im sure you wouldnt be really happy if someone with HIV gave blood and u received it. granted thats a lil more extreme but still its contaminated blood THEY DONT WANT IT.

[ascendant]

k, for starters, as far as the concerns you guys stated of the steroids being in your blood, think of how diluted the amount you'll donate would be. at most, they might get 2mg of test if you're taking like 1g+/week. it wouldn't be enough to do any harm whatsoever.

besides, people pump themselves full of far more harmful stuff (alcohol, cigarettes, processed foods, MSG, hydrogenated oils, etc.) before donating blood, and there's no doubt in my mind that it would be far more harmful than anything steroids would do to your blood could be. the whole "your blood is contaminated" statement is, i'm sorry, but absolutely ridiculous as by your mindset, ALL peoples blood would be contaminated with something bad some way or another.

as far as them testing it, they DO NOT test your blood for steroids. it's too expensive to do so. they test it for disease and a few other things, but steroids certainly isn't one of them.

there's nothing wrong with a steroid users blood that would make someone not want to take it. if anything, the opposite is true. when i go to the donation clinic, they virtually drool over my blood because of it's quality (something about a high iron count i think?).

we're doing good by donating our blood, both for our bodies and others. donating your blood can help lower your bp as most people know, your body will produce fresh blood to replace what was lost over time (kind of like changing the oil in a car, it's great for your system to do occasionally), and if your RBC was too high, you'll feel a million times better afterwards. the best part of it all is your blood may very well save someones life someday. if you donate regularly (say 3 times a year), it's innevitable you will.

[Ufa]

ascendant- excellent post.

Finally a post from some one that has experience and not
a total THREAD PARROT..

[Haro3]

you're still missing the big picture. its not that they dont want ur blood cuz of the fact of aas necessarily. its because you INJECT aas which if the aas has any bacteria/disease in it you just sent it directly into ur blood stream. so they say they dont want blood from someone that has injected anything into their body in the past year for this reason. not cuz ur blood is necessarily bad but it COULD be and why waste the money on tests etc if they can just avoid the problem by not accepting blood from aas users....

and i hope ur not refering to me as a parrot cuz im pretty far from it

[ascendant]

you're still missing the big picture. its not that they dont want ur blood cuz of the fact of aas necessarily. its because you INJECT aas which if the aas has any bacteria/disease in it you just sent it directly into ur blood stream. so they say they dont want blood from someone that has injected anything into their body in the past year for this reason. not cuz ur blood is necessarily bad but it COULD be and why waste the money on tests etc if they can just avoid the problem by not accepting blood from aas users....

and i hope ur not refering to me as a parrot cuz im pretty far from it

if what you're injecting did by chance have some bacteria/disease in it, most likely we'd know about it well before donating blood through some kind of symptoms. additionally, you can just as easily get bacteria and disease from food, in cuts/scrapes, and countless other everyday occurences. if you're getting your stuff from a reputable source, you have no more risk of getting a disease or bacteria from it than you do from your everyday activities. hell, by your reasoning people who have sex shouldn't donate blood, cause you might get a STD that you could give to someone else. after all, some STD's do lie dormant initially and even if you only have one partner, if they cheat with someone else and contract an STD, there ya go. unlikely? of course. however, no more unlikely than your "bacteria/disease ridden steroid" statements.

if there were a disease, they'd most likely find it in a test. same with bacteria. they test the blood for safety, so neither of those should be a concern.

all in all, the risks a steroid user takes is far less than the average individual as we eat better and are healthier in general (for the most part). take your average joe, look at his diet, look at his body, look at his bad habits, and tell me you'd honestly rather have blood from them than a bodybuilder who uses steroids. there is absolutely no reason to choose the average person over the average educated steroid user.

[squat_epcot]

If you decide not to give blood how long after the cycle ends will it take for the bp level to elevate back to normal?

[Ufa]

Haro3 --You are a Thread Parrot! You ard talking about something
you have never experienced. Only read about.

[Haro3]

Haro3 --You are a Thread Parrot! You ard talking about something
you have never experienced. Only read about.

you're right i havent read the form before. i just listen to other people about it. for a 55 year old man ur pretty fvckin close minded u know that

[Ufa]

you're right i havent read the form before. i just listen to other people about it. for a 55 year old man ur pretty fvckin close minded u know that

I rest my case. You have to experience it to fully understand the
beneifits. When Doctors tell you to go give blood. Don't you think
that they have considered you concerns. The beneifits are amazing.
There are lots of posters here that follow the same protocol. Do
a search you will be surprised.

[Mealticket]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

That's redundant.
It will only help for the day or two it takes for your body to regenerate the donated quantity, then it's back up.

[Ufa]

That's redundant.
It will only help for the day or two it takes for your body to regenerate the donated quantity, then it's back up.

They love red blood cells. Let the vampires do their thing.

[Mealticket]

First off unless your hematocrit is approaching 55 or higher you don't need to even concern yourself. Whats the point in giving blood. It won't help.

As a member on here who informs everyone on how to take EPO and Procrit in order to raise their RBC anyone who gives blood to lower their RBC is an IDIOT.
And unless your crit is near 60 then yo don't need to worry about it.
People who live @ altitude (5000ft higher) routinely have a crit level near 50 or higher, and given the normal range is 42-48 it's nothing to worry about.

I personally know professional cyclists who race w/ their crit near 65-70.
Anything below 55 isn't shit to worry about

[Mealticket]

k, for starters, as far as the concerns you guys stated of the steroids being in your blood, think of how diluted the amount you'll donate would be. at most, they might get 2mg of test if you're taking like 1g+/week. it wouldn't be enough to do any harm whatsoever.

besides, people pump themselves full of far more harmful stuff (alcohol, cigarettes, processed foods, MSG, hydrogenated oils, etc.) before donating blood, and there's no doubt in my mind that it would be far more harmful than anything steroids would do to your blood could be. the whole "your blood is contaminated" statement is, i'm sorry, but absolutely ridiculous as by your mindset, ALL peoples blood would be contaminated with something bad some way or another.

as far as them testing it, they DO NOT test your blood for steroids. it's too expensive to do so. they test it for disease and a few other things, but steroids certainly isn't one of them.

there's nothing wrong with a steroid users blood that would make someone not want to take it. if anything, the opposite is true. when i go to the donation clinic, they virtually drool over my blood because of it's quality (something about a high iron count i think?).

we're doing good by donating our blood, both for our bodies and others. donating your blood can help lower your bp as most people know, your body will produce fresh blood to replace what was lost over time (kind of like changing the oil in a car, it's great for your system to do occasionally), and if your RBC was too high, you'll feel a million times better afterwards. the best part of it all is your blood may very well save someones life someday. if you donate regularly (say 3 times a year), it's innevitable you will.

I agree w/ you about some things.
They don't test blood for steroids, and i agree that it will eventually help someone out who really needs it.

It's only going to lower your BP by reducing the overall blood volume in your system. The reason that your bp is up will not be affected, meaning in the day or two it takes to regenerate the pints of blood you donate your bp will be elevated again like it it was.
So giving blood in order to reduce your bp is idiotic. It's just not smart.

You won't feel better after lowering your crit level. That makes no logical sense. unless of course your hemoglobin is nearing 20 or higher. And even then you wouldn't feel better physically, you'd just TEMPORARLY lower your crit level.

You also say it's great for your system to donate your blood ( like an oil change)
That has no relevance in making you feel any better considering the life of a red blood cell is 90 days, thus your body is producing new RBC's everyday.
You don't need to change out your blood, thats absolutely ludicrous.


YOu need to be 100% hydrated when you get your crit checked
Your crit level after a workout VS: before could see a 2-4 point increase, just becasue of the amount you sweated!

you could be 48 in the morning, go to work all day, not drink alot, then go work out and get your blood tested the next day and still be affected from the priors day activites unless you preperly hydrated yourself and pop a crit level of 53, which of course would be a false reading

[Ufa]

The blood pressure will stay down for about a week. However, that
is only an added bonus. The Red Blood Cells are out of range. This
takes time to rebuild. It makes you fell great and helps some one.
What is your problem?

Unless you have a better way of reducing red blood cells. Shut Up!

[Mealticket]

The blood pressure will stay down for about a week. However, that
is only an added bonus. The Red Blood Cells are out of range. This
takes time to rebuild. It makes you fell great and helps some one.
What is your problem?

Unless you have a better way of reducing red blood cells. Shut Up!

Please tell me how droping your crit level from 50 to 45 would physically make you feel better??

Watch who you're talking to.
I've helped alot of epeople out on here and i GUARANTEE i know more than you and anyone else in this post when it comes to Hematocrit and RBC management.

IT's stupid fuxk like you who give bad advice to individuals that result in serious consequences.
Someone on here who has an elevated BP needs to understand that it will not help to give blood in order to lower your BP, it will lower temporarily but it is a most unhealthy decision to do so for the sole benefit of a decreased BP.

[Mealticket]

if what you're injecting did by chance have some bacteria/disease in it, most likely we'd know about it well before donating blood through some kind of symptoms. additionally, you can just as easily get bacteria and disease from food, in cuts/scrapes, and countless other everyday occurences. if you're getting your stuff from a reputable source, you have no more risk of getting a disease or bacteria from it than you do from your everyday activities. hell, by your reasoning people who have sex shouldn't donate blood, cause you might get a STD that you could give to someone else. after all, some STD's do lie dormant initially and even if you only have one partner, if they cheat with someone else and contract an STD, there ya go. unlikely? of course. however, no more unlikely than your "bacteria/disease ridden steroid" statements.

if there were a disease, they'd most likely find it in a test. same with bacteria. they test the blood for safety, so neither of those should be a concern.

all in all, the risks a steroid user takes is far less than the average individual as we eat better and are healthier in general (for the most part). take your average joe, look at his diet, look at his body, look at his bad habits, and tell me you'd honestly rather have blood from them than a bodybuilder who uses steroids. there is absolutely no reason to choose the average person over the average educated steroid user.

Someones BMI or percentage of body fat doesn't determine the quality of their blood.
You're saying that you would rather go w the asthetically better looking individual then one who might have 20% body fat. That is a very ignorant statement.
And yes i would rather get a pint of blood from ANYONE that the Red Cross deems worthy to donate other then someone who injects themselves w/ anabolics or anything for that matter.

[Ufa]

Please tell me how droping your crit level from 50 to 45 would physically make you feel better??

Watch who you're talking to.
I've helped alot of epeople out on here and i GUARANTEE i know more than you and anyone else in this post when it comes to Hematocrit and RBC management.

IT's stupid fuxk like you who give bad advice to individuals that result in serious consequences.
Someone on here who has an elevated BP needs to understand that it will not help to give blood in order to lower your BP, it will lower temporarily but it is a most unhealthy decision to do so for the sole benefit of a decreased BP.

If you are so smart why can't you read. I'm talking RBC. Your talking
trash. For high BP you should take a pill.

[Mealticket]

OMG what do you think CRIT, short for Hematocrit, and hemoglobin are. Those are the tests that determine your RBC concentration. Go back home !!!!!!
lmfao!

[Mealticket]

you're still missing the big picture. its not that they dont want ur blood cuz of the fact of aas necessarily. its because you INJECT aas which if the aas has any bacteria/disease in it you just sent it directly into ur blood stream. so they say they dont want blood from someone that has injected anything into their body in the past year for this reason. not cuz ur blood is necessarily bad but it COULD be and why waste the money on tests etc if they can just avoid the problem by not accepting blood from aas users....

and i hope ur not refering to me as a parrot cuz im pretty far from it

Agreed.
It's just easier to eliminate the risk of those who inject themselves w/ steroids or anthing else. (because we've all read the posts of the idiots who don't know how to do it properly)
It's just an unnecesaary risk that they don't need to take when screening individuals for blood donation

[Ufa]

OMG what do you think CRIT, short for Hematocrit, and hemoglobin are. Those are the tests that determine your RBC concentration. Go back home !!!!!!
lmfao!

You can have the last word, you are book worm that has not offerred
any alternative. I've had many CBC planels. I don't care what determines
what I put in a test tube. You offer no alternatives to reduce RBC.

GO back to lyfao!