giving blood

[squat_epcot]

does this really help blood pressure? and how effective is hawthorn berries?

got a noise bleed tonight

[Halfcenturian]

Yes. Not Very.
Whats your BP off cycle / on cycle now?

[marcus300]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

[graeme87]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

excellent i need to get my rbc down

[graeme87]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

excellent i need to get my rbc down

[Mealticket]

Yes it can help also helps dramaticly with if you have a high R.B.C.

That's redundant.
It will only help for the day or two it takes for your body to regenerate the donated quantity, then it's back up.

[Ufa]

That's redundant.
It will only help for the day or two it takes for your body to regenerate the donated quantity, then it's back up.

They love red blood cells. Let the vampires do their thing.

[squat_epcot]

have you tried this before? If so what kind of bp did you have and then drop to.

i have a 150 bp right now...

[squat_epcot]

if i'm just starting the winny too will that raise it even higher?

I read today on yahoo answers somebody asked if giving blood will lower bp level and ALOT of people said no. So i'm really looking for anybody who has experience with this personally. And anybody know if there is a reason alot of people on yahoo said no where a few people have said yes on here. I understand steroids could be the key difference but i'm curious as to why.

Thanks

[ziinus]

It will drop your bp if you have too many r.b.c. That will sorta thin your blood

[Chris_ATV]

Will giving blood affect GAINS at all?
The increase in red blood cells is a good thing for pumps and feeding muscle isn't it?

[Ufa]

I just got back for getting CBC pannel. Looks like it's time to give blood.

[kuad]

give BLOOD!!!!!!!!

[kuad]

give blood?

[Haro3]

i know you're looking at this in the aspect of benefiting urself but you do realize they DO NOT want ur blood if you're on steroids right? i mean the waiver clearly asks if you have injected drugs in the last year. including steroids. they dont want ur blood

[STB]

i know you're looking at this in the aspect of benefiting urself but you do realize they DO NOT want ur blood if you're on steroids right? i mean the waiver clearly asks if you have injected drugs in the last year. including steroids. they dont want ur blood

Do they test it and throw it out? Injected drugs usually means heroin users...I wouldn't want their blood either. But someone using gear is probably in tip top condition. would be good for the frail to get some premium unleaded in them.


Bluesman

[Haro3]

the waiver i saw said no injected drugs including steroids. think about it....if u use a ugl you dont know if that stuff has any contaminents in it...so why would they wanna take the chance?

[Dog-Slime]

Who cares, it prob wont effect them any and if it does it prob just help with recovery. Also only thing I remember is it asks about if you shared a needle with someone.

[Ufa]

Lets be frank most blood comes from derelicts on Skin row. They sell
blood for booze. By the time it is mixed with your other blood I doubt
that there maybe a small difference wich they should be thankful for.
Those ingrates.

[Stackertoo]

Imagine someone getting Tren sides after needing a couple of pints.
Or a chick getting a strong dose of long ester test.

Lets be frank most blood comes from derelicts on Skin row. They sell
blood for booze. By the time it is mixed with your other blood I doubt
that there maybe a small difference wich they should be thankful for.
Those ingrates.

[ebjack]

I'm with HAro3...I don't think its right.

[Ufa]

When you consider that the average adult has 10 pints of blood
in their system you argument sucks.

[Haro3]

here how bout i make it real simple....they will test ur blood. but why waste the time? why take the chance of hurting someone else. im sure you wouldnt be really happy if someone with HIV gave blood and u received it. granted thats a lil more extreme but still its contaminated blood THEY DONT WANT IT.

[ascendant]

k, for starters, as far as the concerns you guys stated of the steroids being in your blood, think of how diluted the amount you'll donate would be. at most, they might get 2mg of test if you're taking like 1g+/week. it wouldn't be enough to do any harm whatsoever.

besides, people pump themselves full of far more harmful stuff (alcohol, cigarettes, processed foods, MSG, hydrogenated oils, etc.) before donating blood, and there's no doubt in my mind that it would be far more harmful than anything steroids would do to your blood could be. the whole "your blood is contaminated" statement is, i'm sorry, but absolutely ridiculous as by your mindset, ALL peoples blood would be contaminated with something bad some way or another.

as far as them testing it, they DO NOT test your blood for steroids. it's too expensive to do so. they test it for disease and a few other things, but steroids certainly isn't one of them.

there's nothing wrong with a steroid users blood that would make someone not want to take it. if anything, the opposite is true. when i go to the donation clinic, they virtually drool over my blood because of it's quality (something about a high iron count i think?).

we're doing good by donating our blood, both for our bodies and others. donating your blood can help lower your bp as most people know, your body will produce fresh blood to replace what was lost over time (kind of like changing the oil in a car, it's great for your system to do occasionally), and if your RBC was too high, you'll feel a million times better afterwards. the best part of it all is your blood may very well save someones life someday. if you donate regularly (say 3 times a year), it's innevitable you will.

[Mealticket]

k, for starters, as far as the concerns you guys stated of the steroids being in your blood, think of how diluted the amount you'll donate would be. at most, they might get 2mg of test if you're taking like 1g+/week. it wouldn't be enough to do any harm whatsoever.

besides, people pump themselves full of far more harmful stuff (alcohol, cigarettes, processed foods, MSG, hydrogenated oils, etc.) before donating blood, and there's no doubt in my mind that it would be far more harmful than anything steroids would do to your blood could be. the whole "your blood is contaminated" statement is, i'm sorry, but absolutely ridiculous as by your mindset, ALL peoples blood would be contaminated with something bad some way or another.

as far as them testing it, they DO NOT test your blood for steroids. it's too expensive to do so. they test it for disease and a few other things, but steroids certainly isn't one of them.

there's nothing wrong with a steroid users blood that would make someone not want to take it. if anything, the opposite is true. when i go to the donation clinic, they virtually drool over my blood because of it's quality (something about a high iron count i think?).

we're doing good by donating our blood, both for our bodies and others. donating your blood can help lower your bp as most people know, your body will produce fresh blood to replace what was lost over time (kind of like changing the oil in a car, it's great for your system to do occasionally), and if your RBC was too high, you'll feel a million times better afterwards. the best part of it all is your blood may very well save someones life someday. if you donate regularly (say 3 times a year), it's innevitable you will.

I agree w/ you about some things.
They don't test blood for steroids, and i agree that it will eventually help someone out who really needs it.

It's only going to lower your BP by reducing the overall blood volume in your system. The reason that your bp is up will not be affected, meaning in the day or two it takes to regenerate the pints of blood you donate your bp will be elevated again like it it was.
So giving blood in order to reduce your bp is idiotic. It's just not smart.

You won't feel better after lowering your crit level. That makes no logical sense. unless of course your hemoglobin is nearing 20 or higher. And even then you wouldn't feel better physically, you'd just TEMPORARLY lower your crit level.

You also say it's great for your system to donate your blood ( like an oil change)
That has no relevance in making you feel any better considering the life of a red blood cell is 90 days, thus your body is producing new RBC's everyday.
You don't need to change out your blood, thats absolutely ludicrous.


YOu need to be 100% hydrated when you get your crit checked
Your crit level after a workout VS: before could see a 2-4 point increase, just becasue of the amount you sweated!

you could be 48 in the morning, go to work all day, not drink alot, then go work out and get your blood tested the next day and still be affected from the priors day activites unless you preperly hydrated yourself and pop a crit level of 53, which of course would be a false reading

[ascendant]

I agree w/ you about some things.
They don't test blood for steroids, and i agree that it will eventually help someone out who really needs it.

It's only going to lower your BP by reducing the overall blood volume in your system. The reason that your bp is up will not be affected, meaning in the day or two it takes to regenerate the pints of blood you donate your bp will be elevated again like it it was.
So giving blood in order to reduce your bp is idiotic. It's just not smart.

first of all don't know where you got a day or two, but that's not what i've heard from any other source and not what i've personally experienced, as i've had it lower my bp for up to 3-5weeks at times. how do you justify that you're required to wait at least 12 weeks before donating again?

additionally, as far as it not affecting your bp, there's something you're not taking into account here... bp can potentially be raised from a cycle increasing blood volume. now, if you come off that cycle, it takes quite some time before your blood volume lowers back to normal. donating blood is an easy way to accelerate that process as without the cycle, your body will not attempt to bring you back up to that volume again.

You won't feel better after lowering your crit level. That makes no logical sense. unless of course your hemoglobin is nearing 20 or higher. And even then you wouldn't feel better physically, you'd just TEMPORARLY lower your crit level.

apparently you've never donated blood during a cycle. when your rbc is high, you feel like crap, and a cycle usually tends to bring your rbc up. it can make you feel tired, run down, etc. donating blood makes you feel better within a day or two. i don't care what the reason is, but obviously you're looking in the wrong places for justification behind it, cause i tell you from personal experience as i'm sure many others can it does help and for at least a couple weeks. even though your rbc may go back up after a few weeks, it's unquestionably better to at least help it for a little while rather than just leaving it too high.

You also say it's great for your system to donate your blood ( like an oil change)
That has no relevance in making you feel any better considering the life of a red blood cell is 90 days, thus your body is producing new RBC's everyday.
You don't need to change out your blood, thats absolutely ludicrous.

tell that to every single doctor i've talked to, cause they'll say you're wrong. i don't know a whole hell of a lot about how it all works, but any doctor i've ever asked about it (probably 4 or 5 as i always like to get second opinions on things like this) has always told me it's good to donate blood because of what i mentioned in my original post.

[Mealticket]

first of all don't know where you got a day or two, but that's not what i've heard from any other source and not what i've personally experienced, as i've had it lower my bp for up to 3-5weeks at times. how do you justify that you're required to wait at least 12 weeks before donating again?

additionally, as far as it not affecting your bp, there's something you're not taking into account here... bp can potentially be raised from a cycle increasing blood volume. now, if you come off that cycle, it takes quite some time before your blood volume lowers back to normal. donating blood is an easy way to accelerate that process as without the cycle, your body will not attempt to bring you back up to that volume again.



apparently you've never donated blood during a cycle. when your rbc is high, you feel like crap, and a cycle usually tends to bring your rbc up. it can make you feel tired, run down, etc. donating blood makes you feel better within a day or two. i don't care what the reason is, but obviously you're looking in the wrong places for justification behind it, cause i tell you from personal experience as i'm sure many others can it does help and for at least a couple weeks. even though your rbc may go back up after a few weeks, it's unquestionably better to at least help it for a little while rather than just leaving it too high.



tell that to every single doctor i've talked to, cause they'll say you're wrong. i don't know a whole hell of a lot about how it all works, but any doctor i've ever asked about it (probably 4 or 5 as i always like to get second opinions on things like this) has always told me it's good to donate blood because of what i mentioned in my original post.

You can't argue w/ignorance so say what you will.

...all this info coming from a guy who says"it's like getting an oil change", it's good for you to cycle your blood out"...
But just so you know. It's 56 days minimum between donations not 12 weeks and AS won't raise your blood volume and since i need to use lamens terms that means you won't generate an extra 2 pints of blood while on cycle, but it will however raise the concentraition of RBC in your system.
And yes giving blood might make you feel better if your crit level is over 55 or aproaching 60 like i allready said. I'd love to see your test results. Post um up Tiger!!

[Ufa]

ascendant- excellent post.

Finally a post from some one that has experience and not
a total THREAD PARROT..

[Haro3]

you're still missing the big picture. its not that they dont want ur blood cuz of the fact of aas necessarily. its because you INJECT aas which if the aas has any bacteria/disease in it you just sent it directly into ur blood stream. so they say they dont want blood from someone that has injected anything into their body in the past year for this reason. not cuz ur blood is necessarily bad but it COULD be and why waste the money on tests etc if they can just avoid the problem by not accepting blood from aas users....

and i hope ur not refering to me as a parrot cuz im pretty far from it

[ascendant]

you're still missing the big picture. its not that they dont want ur blood cuz of the fact of aas necessarily. its because you INJECT aas which if the aas has any bacteria/disease in it you just sent it directly into ur blood stream. so they say they dont want blood from someone that has injected anything into their body in the past year for this reason. not cuz ur blood is necessarily bad but it COULD be and why waste the money on tests etc if they can just avoid the problem by not accepting blood from aas users....

and i hope ur not refering to me as a parrot cuz im pretty far from it

if what you're injecting did by chance have some bacteria/disease in it, most likely we'd know about it well before donating blood through some kind of symptoms. additionally, you can just as easily get bacteria and disease from food, in cuts/scrapes, and countless other everyday occurences. if you're getting your stuff from a reputable source, you have no more risk of getting a disease or bacteria from it than you do from your everyday activities. hell, by your reasoning people who have sex shouldn't donate blood, cause you might get a STD that you could give to someone else. after all, some STD's do lie dormant initially and even if you only have one partner, if they cheat with someone else and contract an STD, there ya go. unlikely? of course. however, no more unlikely than your "bacteria/disease ridden steroid" statements.

if there were a disease, they'd most likely find it in a test. same with bacteria. they test the blood for safety, so neither of those should be a concern.

all in all, the risks a steroid user takes is far less than the average individual as we eat better and are healthier in general (for the most part). take your average joe, look at his diet, look at his body, look at his bad habits, and tell me you'd honestly rather have blood from them than a bodybuilder who uses steroids. there is absolutely no reason to choose the average person over the average educated steroid user.

[Mealticket]

if what you're injecting did by chance have some bacteria/disease in it, most likely we'd know about it well before donating blood through some kind of symptoms. additionally, you can just as easily get bacteria and disease from food, in cuts/scrapes, and countless other everyday occurences. if you're getting your stuff from a reputable source, you have no more risk of getting a disease or bacteria from it than you do from your everyday activities. hell, by your reasoning people who have sex shouldn't donate blood, cause you might get a STD that you could give to someone else. after all, some STD's do lie dormant initially and even if you only have one partner, if they cheat with someone else and contract an STD, there ya go. unlikely? of course. however, no more unlikely than your "bacteria/disease ridden steroid" statements.

if there were a disease, they'd most likely find it in a test. same with bacteria. they test the blood for safety, so neither of those should be a concern.

all in all, the risks a steroid user takes is far less than the average individual as we eat better and are healthier in general (for the most part). take your average joe, look at his diet, look at his body, look at his bad habits, and tell me you'd honestly rather have blood from them than a bodybuilder who uses steroids. there is absolutely no reason to choose the average person over the average educated steroid user.

Someones BMI or percentage of body fat doesn't determine the quality of their blood.
You're saying that you would rather go w the asthetically better looking individual then one who might have 20% body fat. That is a very ignorant statement.
And yes i would rather get a pint of blood from ANYONE that the Red Cross deems worthy to donate other then someone who injects themselves w/ anabolics or anything for that matter.

[ascendant]

Someones BMI or percentage of body fat doesn't determine the quality of their blood.
You're saying that you would rather go w the asthetically better looking individual then one who might have 20% body fat. That is a very ignorant statement.
And yes i would rather get a pint of blood from ANYONE that the Red Cross deems worthy to donate other then someone who injects themselves w/ anabolics or anything for that matter.

you apparently didn't read through that entire post. the issue isn't the persons bodyfat, it's the crap they eat that causes the excess bodyfat. i'm talking MSG, hydrogenated oils, processed/fast foods, let alone alcohol, cigarettes, or whatever other bad habits they have. that stuff is pumping through their blood everyday.

additionally, ask any bodybuilder who goes into a clinic. they drool over our blood. they tell us how healthy our blood is or whatever term they choose to use at the time to indicate our blood is of high quality. it's not an ignorant statement, it's an ignorant reader of my statements that's too determined to be right to face the truth. you obviously have very little to no knowledge about AAS, are obviously against there use, and probably buy in to the steriotypical criticism AAS receives.

[liftergirl]

you apparently didn't read through that entire post. the issue isn't the persons bodyfat, it's the crap they eat that causes the excess bodyfat. i'm talking MSG, hydrogenated oils, processed/fast foods, let alone alcohol, cigarettes, or whatever other bad habits they have. that stuff is pumping through their blood everyday.

additionally, ask any bodybuilder who goes into a clinic. they drool over our blood. they tell us how healthy our blood is or whatever term they choose to use at the time to indicate our blood is of high quality. it's not an ignorant statement, it's an ignorant reader of my statements that's too determined to be right to face the truth. you obviously have very little to no knowledge about AAS, are obviously against there use, and probably buy in to the steriotypical criticism AAS receives.

That "crap" does not affect the blood they donate. I don't kwow what clinic you've been going into that makes them "drool" over your blood....because if you are telling them the truth about what you inject....then you are lying. Please stop telling people that they are making ignorant statements until you stop making worse ones yourself. You are spreading false information....and then it takes a LONG time for those people who are trying to figure out the "right" information....and why people who try to post proper information on these boards spend HOURS trying to correct false info from people like yourself.
Please do the new-bies a favor and stop. You are wrong about a lot of stuff....and as someone stated earlier....if you dont have the training in it, you don't understand it on the level that others do. There are some on here who have worked really hard at figuring out the right information ..... and it's pretty impressive. I had the formal training as a Biochem major and in Medical School....so I know what I'm talking about.
--Smiles--LG

[liftergirl]

if what you're injecting did by chance have some bacteria/disease in it, most likely we'd know about it well before donating blood through some kind of symptoms. additionally, you can just as easily get bacteria and disease from food, in cuts/scrapes, and countless other everyday occurences. if you're getting your stuff from a reputable source, you have no more risk of getting a disease or bacteria from it than you do from your everyday activities. hell, by your reasoning people who have sex shouldn't donate blood, cause you might get a STD that you could give to someone else. after all, some STD's do lie dormant initially and even if you only have one partner, if they cheat with someone else and contract an STD, there ya go. unlikely? of course. however, no more unlikely than your "bacteria/disease ridden steroid" statements.

if there were a disease, they'd most likely find it in a test. same with bacteria. they test the blood for safety, so neither of those should be a concern.

all in all, the risks a steroid user takes is far less than the average individual as we eat better and are healthier in general (for the most part). take your average joe, look at his diet, look at his body, look at his bad habits, and tell me you'd honestly rather have blood from them than a bodybuilder who uses steroids. there is absolutely no reason to choose the average person over the average educated steroid user.

Oh Please Just stop--number one: the types of bacteria that you will get from injections has nothing to do with the "reputability" of the sources; it has to do with the fact that you are injecting through the skin, and so the bacteria that are normally on your skin, are injected into your bloodstream. This is COMPLETELY different than the types of infections that you get if you get a "scrape" or a "cut" or anything else you refer to. That's why people who inject medications of any type are more likely to get bacteremic (or...bacteria in your bloodstream). When you donate blood, they ask about "injections" because people who inject drugs of any sort...be that heroin or Test-E are more likely to have bacteremia and other forms of infections that can be spread by needles. And please dont say that if you dont share needles, you are safe...because you still run the risk of putting normal skin bacteria into your bloodstream (which can kill you).

Number two...where in the world did you hear that all of blood donated gets tested for this??? OR that you will feel symptoms?? Neither one are true. The medical community can't afford to test for everything...and to think that lying on a blood donation card b/c you think that people will be "better off" is ridiculous. If you put down that you do injections...they'll still take your blood...so you'll get whatever benefit you think you are getting by donating....but they will toss it out....so the person who's needing the rbc's won't be harmed. And NO, the person is NOT better off getting a person's blood who's used steriods than the "average joe" who may not eat as clean as you do....none of the stuff that the "average joe" does is going to affect the blood they receive. The altered counts or bacteria that can be present from steriods....CAN hurt the patient.

Number three....who told you that lowering a persons' rbc count by donating blood causes your blood pressure to go down? In order to compensate for a lower blood volume (which you accomplish by donating blood), your blood pressure will elevate in order to keep you from going into shock. IF your blood pressure actually goes down after you donate...then you need to see a doctor, because something is wrong. You are making other people believe false information.....so please stop. If a person has high blood pressure, they need to figure out WHY, and may need a low dose anti-hypertensive medication....they DO not need to be giving blood!

Number four....there are people on this board who actually try to help others by giving proper advice...thanks to those who've tried to set this guy straight.....MT and H3....and to those of you who have more questions about this and want to know what is right about it....please ask through this thread, I'll check back on it. As for the guy who asked the original question about needing to lower your blood pressure....there are some low dose medications that won't affect your training that would be helpful; and your doctor can easily prescribe them for you.

Hope this helps....
And yes, I am a physician....Smiles --LG

[ascendant]

Oh Please Just stop--number one: the types of bacteria that you will get from injections has nothing to do with the "reputability" of the sources; it has to do with the fact that you are injecting through the skin, and so the bacteria that are normally on your skin, are injected into your bloodstream. This is COMPLETELY different than the types of infections that you get if you get a "scrape" or a "cut" or anything else you refer to. That's why people who inject medications of any type are more likely to get bacteremic (or...bacteria in your bloodstream). When you donate blood, they ask about "injections" because people who inject drugs of any sort...be that heroin or Test-E are more likely to have bacteremia and other forms of infections that can be spread by needles. And please dont say that if you dont share needles, you are safe...because you still run the risk of putting normal skin bacteria into your bloodstream (which can kill you).

Number two...where in the world did you hear that all of blood donated gets tested for this??? OR that you will feel symptoms?? Neither one are true. The medical community can't afford to test for everything...and to think that lying on a blood donation card b/c you think that people will be "better off" is ridiculous. If you put down that you do injections...they'll still take your blood...so you'll get whatever benefit you think you are getting by donating....but they will toss it out....so the person who's needing the rbc's won't be harmed. And NO, the person is NOT better off getting a person's blood who's used steriods than the "average joe" who may not eat as clean as you do....none of the stuff that the "average joe" does is going to affect the blood they receive. The altered counts or bacteria that can be present from steriods....CAN hurt the patient.

Number three....who told you that lowering a persons' rbc count by donating blood causes your blood pressure to go down? In order to compensate for a lower blood volume (which you accomplish by donating blood), your blood pressure will elevate in order to keep you from going into shock. IF your blood pressure actually goes down after you donate...then you need to see a doctor, because something is wrong. You are making other people believe false information.....so please stop. If a person has high blood pressure, they need to figure out WHY, and may need a low dose anti-hypertensive medication....they DO not need to be giving blood!

Number four....there are people on this board who actually try to help others by giving proper advice...thanks to those who've tried to set this guy straight.....MT and H3....and to those of you who have more questions about this and want to know what is right about it....please ask through this thread, I'll check back on it. As for the guy who asked the original question about needing to lower your blood pressure....there are some low dose medications that won't affect your training that would be helpful; and your doctor can easily prescribe them for you.

Hope this helps....
And yes, I am a physician....Smiles --LG

i know you mean well, as most do when giving advice on here. i'm not going to argue with you, but i can say i personally experience a lowering of bp after donating blood, as do many others, so i guess there's a lot of us with something wrong. maybe our bp goes up initially near the beginning, i don't know. never checked it right after donating. however, i know by the next day, it lowers. albeit only a few points, but it does make some difference, which is better than nothing IMO.

as far as what the "average joe" consumes being safer than what we do, that's a matter of opinion. i strongly believe mine, just as you believe yours. however, i'd find it very hard to believe that the chances of someone having bacteria in their blood from steroids and having no idea (a one in a million chance at best) is worse than all the toxins one would have in their blood from chain-smoking (note most cigarette companies have over 100+ toxins in their cigarettes which WILL be in their bloodstream).

oh and as for the bacteria from steroids, i've been in the personal training industry for about 12 years now, and know well over 50 people personally who use steroids, many for well over 7 or so years. however, i don't know a single person who ever had a bacterial infection from steroids except for a couple people buying from questionable sources. it's not that hard to keep this stuff sanitary and ugl's who know their reputation will be destroyed if even one person gets an infection and posts it on a board they're on would unquestionably take every single necessary precaution to make sure they don't let that happen. just giving you basis behind my previous statements on the matter.

as far as why we'd have high bp, most of us know very well why (at least most the people on here do). it's from the steroids. i don't think pre-hypertensive meds is a solution, as most meds on the market treat one problem but their side-effects are listed in an accompanying bookfull.

look, i mean well just as you do. i'm providing information that i've heard from numerous sources as well as personal experience, therefore i believed it to be true.

i would like to know what your solution would be to someone having high bp cause of a cycle. whether it be cause of an increased rbc or whatever other reason you're going to say it is, what is a safer way than donating blood to lower it??? after all, if you're really here to help, you know very well the solution you might be thinking of (don't take steroids) wouldn't be listened to by any user of them. so by all means, please give us some better advice. i know i'd personally appreciate it, and it would be much more productive than us criticizing each others opinions.

[liftergirl]

i know you mean well, as most do when giving advice on here. i'm not going to argue with you, but i can say i personally experience a lowering of bp after donating blood, as do many others, so i guess there's a lot of us with something wrong. maybe our bp goes up initially near the beginning, i don't know. never checked it right after donating. however, i know by the next day, it lowers. albeit only a few points, but it does make some difference, which is better than nothing IMO.

as far as what the "average joe" consumes being safer than what we do, that's a matter of opinion. i strongly believe mine, just as you believe yours. however, i'd find it very hard to believe that the chances of someone having bacteria in their blood from steroids and having no idea (a one in a million chance at best) is worse than all the toxins one would have in their blood from chain-smoking (note most cigarette companies have over 100+ toxins in their cigarettes which WILL be in their bloodstream).

oh and as for the bacteria from steroids, i've been in the personal training industry for about 12 years now, and know well over 50 people personally who use steroids, many for well over 7 or so years. however, i don't know a single person who ever had a bacterial infection from steroids except for a couple people buying from questionable sources. it's not that hard to keep this stuff sanitary and ugl's who know their reputation will be destroyed if even one person gets an infection and posts it on a board they're on would unquestionably take every single necessary precaution to make sure they don't let that happen. just giving you basis behind my previous statements on the matter.

as far as why we'd have high bp, most of us know very well why (at least most the people on here do). it's from the steroids. i don't think pre-hypertensive meds is a solution, as most meds on the market treat one problem but their side-effects are listed in an accompanying bookfull.

look, i mean well just as you do. i'm providing information that i've heard from numerous sources as well as personal experience, therefore i believed it to be true.

i would like to know what your solution would be to someone having high bp cause of a cycle. whether it be cause of an increased rbc or whatever other reason you're going to say it is, what is a safer way than donating blood to lower it??? after all, if you're really here to help, you know very well the solution you might be thinking of (don't take steroids) wouldn't be listened to by any user of them. so by all means, please give us some better advice. i know i'd personally appreciate it, and it would be much more productive than us criticizing each others opinions.

First of all, thanks for not just calling me names as some others have here in the forum. If your bp is lowered after dontating blood...I'd stop doing it....and the amount that it's lowered is not helping much really. I'm not sure what you mean by "pre-anti-hypertensives"....??? I agree...antihypertensive meds do have their list of side-effects; but, the companies are required to list EVERYTHING that has ever happened due to a person using that medicine.... so many sides are never experienced by patients. Think about it this way...if every UGL provided their consumers with a list of side-effects that were possible with the products...the list would be just as long, if not longer, than any list provided by a drug company. I'm a bit hesitant to provide names of medications that could be helpful....because the one that would be helpful for one person, would not be the one that would help another person.... depends on your kidney function, your normal cardiovascualr health, family history, etc.

As far as why AS cause high blood pressure....I'd blame it more on the hormonal changes than the actual composition of the blood.

There are several types that can help hypertension and not affect your training. But, Anti-hypertensives can be dangerous....but having high blood pressure can be worse. There are some, like beta-blockers that can cause your heartrate to not go over a certain level, which makes training difficult. Others, like certain diuretics (hydrochlorothiazide and lasix), can deplete your body of sodium and potassium respectfully. Others, like ace-inhibitors don't really do either one of these....but still have side-effects.
Bottom line is.... you really need to see your doctor ... there are some that require that you get your liver or kidney function tests checked...or your potassium, or your sodium.

I've discovered that a lot of people on here beleive that a doctor is going to "test" you for steroids in the clinic....we dont do that....it's too expensive and doesnt really matter. Plus , honestly, it's not something that many doctors even think of when it comes to causes of high blood pressure. Regardless, if you go to your doc....show him / her that you have high blood pressure, they are going to give you a medication. Be honest that you are training and are concerned about being able to get your HR up (so, not likely a beta-blocker), and are concerned about sodium and potassium (so, not likely certain types of diuretics). Helpful? Hope so.

[Mealticket]

you're still missing the big picture. its not that they dont want ur blood cuz of the fact of aas necessarily. its because you INJECT aas which if the aas has any bacteria/disease in it you just sent it directly into ur blood stream. so they say they dont want blood from someone that has injected anything into their body in the past year for this reason. not cuz ur blood is necessarily bad but it COULD be and why waste the money on tests etc if they can just avoid the problem by not accepting blood from aas users....

and i hope ur not refering to me as a parrot cuz im pretty far from it

Agreed.
It's just easier to eliminate the risk of those who inject themselves w/ steroids or anthing else. (because we've all read the posts of the idiots who don't know how to do it properly)
It's just an unnecesaary risk that they don't need to take when screening individuals for blood donation

[squat_epcot]

If you decide not to give blood how long after the cycle ends will it take for the bp level to elevate back to normal?

[Ufa]

Haro3 --You are a Thread Parrot! You ard talking about something
you have never experienced. Only read about.

[Haro3]

Haro3 --You are a Thread Parrot! You ard talking about something
you have never experienced. Only read about.

you're right i havent read the form before. i just listen to other people about it. for a 55 year old man ur pretty fvckin close minded u know that