Female Member
Hey,
do any of you guys know/hear about females using things like: Superdrol, PheraPlex, Halodrol-50, Liquid Masterdrol, Promagnon, etc...
No one in the Female forums would admit to it if they did use it, so im wondering if any of you guys would know. I have a question to ask about the supplements...
Banned
I have herd of women using SD or PP in very low doses, somthing like 10mg for 2-3 weeks. BUT, do not take MY WORD and start a cycle. More then anyone you have to do more research then the norm because finding articles on a certian subject like this isnt easyOriginally Posted by projekt
Also a oral steroid that is used by many women is Anavar, At low doses. If you read anthony roberts steroid profile on it, he mentions this in his editorial about women and var.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199816
Im actully going to search around right now for some articles, and Ill post when i have a chance. cant promise anything though.
RETIRED VET
17HD by vyotech is another good one much safer than prohormones ***ending on your goals
CD
Female Member
Thanks K biz!
i have been researching SD PP [& friends] for almost a year now, but Im not taking it until I get more knowledge. My bottles have a 2010 expiration date, so Im patient. In a SD-write up I read that girls should take 1/10th of the dosage of a guy. Im just not ready to jump into Var [legal issue mostly] and keep reading miles and miles of logs of how sucessful PP SD [& friends] are for all these guys, and I cant help to wonder about girls- so I am currently board-hopping on this quest.
If I do start something [after a bit more answer finding research] this will be the second cycle i have ever done, but we can say my first. [My first was back in spring of 2002 I did a cycle of 4A19D a female-friendly PH]. I appreciate all the help I could get. Thanks
Last edited by projekt; 05-24-2007 at 04:19 PM.
Female Member
thanks for the reply CD
do you think 17HD would it be good for a "first" cycle for me?
Banned
Ok heres a couple things I have picked up from other boards. Ill try and sum it up.
This is going to contradict my first statement, as far as saying " i have herd of women doing SD cycles for 2-3 weeks @ 10mgs" which I have. But further reading has brought me to the fact that mabye ITS NOT such a good idea for you to be taking such an androgenic steroid.
The problem with sd is its very androgenic and in women can cause masculinizing effects (Deepening of the voice, facial hair, ect..) Now there are some women who have run SD but not even at 10mg's which is the smallest dose it comes in. So IF you were going to run SD you would have to open the pill and break it up into a couple parts, somthing like 5mg's would be a good dose for week, possibly 2.
But heres a few things. Deepening of the voice is not somthing that is reversable, facial hair can be waxed, shaved w/e, if you even want the risk of dealing with somthing like that.
Some women exeperienced no sides and ran it fine ( once again at a very low dose) But would i recomend it? NO. and I have run 2 of these cycles myself.
If you were a guy i would say hop on the cycle and goodluck, but its not worth the risk hun, look into somthing else.
K.Biz
Female Member
Thank you so much K Biz. I was fearing the same for SD being a more androgenic pro-roid [hehe sounds like polaroid].
I didnt think it was a good first cycle either, and my research shows that PP is more androgenic than SD so thats a no-no then too. I just dont know what are my other legal options...
[PS: my voice is pretty deep for a girl thank-you-very-much-gene-pool]
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Thank you so much K Biz. I was fearing the same for SD being a more androgenic pro-roid [hehe sounds like polaroid].
I didnt think it was a good first cycle either, and my research shows that PP is more androgenic than SD so thats a no-no then too. I just dont know what are my other legal options...
[PS: my voice is pretty deep for a girl thank-you-very-much-gene-pool
Im actully very interested in Steroids for women. Since very few women actully try steroids, I think the information on it is unfortunetly very slim. I will def look around and read up on some cycles you can run that are legal. I cant promise how much info or if there is even anything legal worth running for a women, that even comes close to SD.
Have you ever thought about just regular supps such as creatine? or mabye an NO2 product? Hows your diet? stats?
RETIRED VET
Hmm what are ur goals? yea it would be nice, great strength in the gym, it wont really change ur body composition tho like the real stuff would but its a good start for surethanks for the reply CD
do you think 17HD would it be good for a "first" cycle for me?
CD
Banned
Capt in the house!
ProjekT, listen to this man. HE IS A GOD
Female Member
Thank you both for your advices you are both very helpful.
my goals are muscly, like sonya mcfarland. honestly, andro effects dont bother me because I know they come with the territory, as a female BBer it would be ignorant to think I could get the anabolic without the androgenic- i have read that even the most minimal androgenic can still create sides... and since i chose this path of BBing [and not the all-natural-forever type, its part of the game]
I have been working on my diet and WOs. I want to get big, as in full figure transformation.
Last edited by projekt; 05-24-2007 at 04:59 PM.
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If they dont bother you, then mabye you SHOULD try running SD for a week @ 5mg's or less., if no side effects keep it at a dose of 5 mg's. Split those pills in half or into 3's and try that. after one week and u expereince no sides, continue to week 2, I would not go any longer then 2 weeks. Because you are a women. I would still look at this kind of thing as a last result. BUT if you wanna try it, you alone coudl pave the way for many to come
I have no idea what your PCT would be... perhaps a test blocker?
Last edited by K.Biz; 05-24-2007 at 05:04 PM.
RETIRED VET
LOLOL thanks KbizCapt in the house!
ProjekT, listen to this man. HE IS A GOD
Projekt--nice goals! you sound very determined! with that in mind...i would continue taking the basic supplements, and possible try anavar like Kbiz said, i would start at 5mg per day, keep it there for 10-12 days to judge sides--if any...u can gradually increase to 10mg per day and that should yeild very good results...another girl here just ran var with great results, check this out..
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=291371
CD
RETIRED VET
Just an FYI women dont need to do PCTs...I have no idea what your PCT would be... perhaps a test blocker?
CD
Banned
ah yes... good call. How great would it be if we didnt have to do PCT's?. Man i would have so much more money for other things
Female Member
well i do have Tamoxifen [spelling?] my mom is post cancer and has so and she doesnt like taking them... I have some "natural" PCT supps that were hand-me-offs. Although, as far as I have researched women dont need PCTs.
RETIRED VET
Ha yea that adds up, alot of the ancillaries are just as pricey as a cycle lolHow great would it be if we didnt have to do PCT's?.
RETIRED VET
Projekt
no need for tamox, u dont need PCT
Female Member
Well to rephrase my PCT is MilkThistle and NAC for liver detox
what about that Halodrol-50 business? Is that any better than SD in terms Anabolic/Androgenic. HD is supposed to be a tweaked/legal version of Oral Turinabol which I read has low androgenic sides in comparison to others. So I am assuming that Halodrol -50 has less androgenic sides than SD. Is this correct?
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Yes, BUT the new halo is junk. since the banning of the original, the new stuff is useless. Unlike the SD or PP clones, Halo was never cloned correctly again for some reason.
As For your PCT I would only run the milk thistle and NAC for a week or 2 after just to be safe. But make sure you run those 2 whiel your on cycle. might want to throw in some Vitamin C as well.
RETIRED VET
Yea i wouldnt even mess with the OTC stuff, i never did considering u never really know whats in there compared to the real stuff from legit labs/pharms
CD
Banned
Its true. OTC can be some sketchy stuff. Im 2 cycles deep.... oh well
Im done with OTC though, time to move on to bigger and better things
Banned
I must say projekt, no one and i mean no one gets this kind of attention in the supp forum. consider yourself very lucky
RETIRED VET
Lol thats probably trueI must say projekt, no one and i mean no one gets this kind of attention in the supp forum. consider yourself very lucky
Female Member
i do. thank you so much for both of your input. you have made me a wiser woman.
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thats what we are here for.i do. thank you so much for both of your input. you have made me a wiser woman.
Female Member
On my quest for a better OTC i researched the following and so i am a bit confused on the halo product, and I am wondering if I could call on your input again:
Halodrol [the one that came out before the re-formulation] is:
polydehydrogenated, polyhydroxylated halomethetioallocholane
aka:
9-alpha-fluoro-11-beta-hydroxy-17-alpha-methyl-4-androstene-
3-one,17b-ol
which is a methylated Halostein with 5a reduced.
now, the new reformulated one is:
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol
and OT is: chlordehydromethyltestosterone. I know the second more resembles OT than the first...
but i think i might be missing something here.
my suspicion is that if there werent any proper clones made, than Halodrol was perhaps a combination of the two. Thats at least what I am getting from reading the original washington post article. But my better judgement of stacking the two [even if it were a proper mimic] would be Hepatic suicide. What do you think?
Thank you again.
Writer
Nobody's written a PCT for women article...but they need it just as much as men. Actually, maybe more....female fitness/figure competitors go through "rebound" after their contests much more severely than men do, because they are introducing to their body (*usually) male hormones or derivatives of them, while also using products to lower their own estrogen.
If you look in the Womens forum (they're hidden from the men), there's an article I wrote in there called "Dcups and Dbol" which was posted by wither Sassy69 or Sienna. That may be eye opening, if you're interested in women and AAS, and what really goes on.
Writer
Halodrol 50 is currently: Arachadonic Acid, 5a-etioallocholanetrione, DHEA, 20-hydroxyecdysterone, -(-)3,4-divanillytetrahydrofuran.
For former version (written about by Amy Shipley of the Washington Post) was a metabolite of Oral Turinabol. That's been pulled and off the shelves for over a year I believe.
2 of those ingredients raise test, one is a fatty acid (not too important if you eat enough meat), and the other is a ligand of stinging nettle which lowers SHBG and frees up test, and a couple of them lower estrogen. It's an okay product.
Bruce Kneller (*who I know, kind of vaguely, through e-mail correspondance prior to his starting his recent prison term) formulated it.
Promagnon is a shitty AI, a shitty/psueudo-science--test-booster, and some other crap, based on the ingredients I'm seeing. It's not too hot, but not a total and complete sham.
PheraPlex seems very inappropriate for a woman.
The best thing about Liquid Masterdrol is that you can use the box it came in to hold paperclips. That's where it's usefulness ends.
I wouldn't be too hot on any of these for a woman...I train a couple of women and wouldn't tell them to use any of this stuff...so...that's what I think about them.
Female Member
wow. thats amazing info.
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ps: do you know the orginal formulation for the OT metabolite in Halodrol?
RETIRED VET
Is projekt competing? maybe i missed that?female fitness/figure competitors go through "rebound" after their contests much more severely than men do
CD
Female Member
no. im not competeing. not a goal of mine. Im sorry. im on a quest for transformation.
Writer
No...but the question was about PCT, and I was saying that women who compete are a prime example of why PCT is needed...they certainly go through something after their cycle/contest that resembles a crash.
No...there's only 4 possibilities though...In my first book, I have a chart of OT's metabolism in the body, and I only see 4 metabolites, and from what I recall it's the second one in the diagram. Since I wrote that book I've switched to a Mac, and don't have the files saved any longer...so I can't even look it up without spending half a day re-finding that PDF online.ps: do you know the orginal formulation for the OT metabolite in Halodrol?
RETIRED VET
Oh i gotcha...yea i agree with that....No...but the question was about PCT, and I was saying that women who compete are a prime example of why PCT is needed...they certainly go through something after their cycle/contest that resembles a crash.
CD
Senior Member
You could also consider trying a Methoxy-type product such as BioTest's Se7en. I have seen some women that have seen some good results off of it. They are figure competitors however. I can send you a link to some people who have posted their results through PM if you are intersted.
Female Member
So if HD is a metabolite of OT, how do its metabolites work on the body in comparison with how OT would actually work on the body? Does the body use them similarly? Do they share the same pathways & processes? are metabolites still active/bioavailable?
Last edited by projekt; 05-25-2007 at 09:50 AM.
Writer
A metabolite is simply an organic compound that is a starting material in, an intermediate in, or an end product of metabolism or a metabolic process. Currently, the HD available on the market has nothing to do with OT at all...it's not the original. As for HD...and OT...
In the case here, we're talking about the initial steroid (OT) being converted within the body (metabolized) into a similar (though not exactly the same) active steroid (originally what was in Halodrol 50). I can't comment on the exact strength of the metabolites...I don't know that off hand...some things are metabolized into something stronger (Tamoxifen has a metabolite stronger than the parent compound, as does boldenone) some are metabolized into something weaker (DHT has this problem, for example). Some metabolites are active some are not...i suspect most for OT are...but the questions about metabolites here (that you're asking) are vague, so I'll confine my answers to how they relate to steroids.
However, Looking at the original chemical name you posted, it would seem that there is a fluoxy modification (as we see with Halotestin) and otherwise it looks similar to Anadrol (neither of which a woman should take). I suppose that's where "Halodrol" comes from.
Now, though...it's a bunch of fats and herbs in Halodrol, nothing more.
Last edited by Property of Steroid.com; 05-25-2007 at 10:00 AM.
Writer
I just looked up Se7en on the T- Nation forum, and saw that one of my good friends (Mandy Polk) is today's Inspirational Image! Check it out...
Female Member
I was wondering about the specific metabolite of OT found in Halodrol [the original stuff] and its utilization by our bodies.
4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol [which I beleive was the actual compound in Halodrol, not
the methylated Halostein derivative]. Wouldnt that make "Halo"-drol a misnomer, since it is more like OT than Halostein?
[Halostein is probably the only AAS id run screaming from and new Halodrol shouldnt be called a Halo- anything at all...more like Hell-no!drol...]
Last edited by projekt; 05-25-2007 at 10:16 AM.
Writer
I don't know about that metabolite specifically. I would imagine it's pretty much similar to OT basically, in most ways that would matter.
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