Ron Paul's Economic Revival Plan

[Panzerfaust]

The Four-Point Plan

1. Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.

2. Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

3. Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness at the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

4. Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.


1. Tax Reform

Eliminate Taxes on Dividends and Savings. The basis of capitalism is savings, and Americans who do so should be rewarded.
Pass HJ Res. 23 to encourage savings over consumption.

Repeal the Death Tax. Attacking small businesses and breaking up family farms smothers growth and kills jobs.
Pass H.R. 2734 to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.

Cut Taxes for Working Seniors. Grandmothers and grandfathers working to make ends meet should keep all the fruits of their labor.
Pass H.R. 191 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the inclusion in gross income of Social Security benefits.

Eliminate Taxes on Social Security Benefits. That money belongs to seniors, not the government. They paid into the system for a lifetime, and they should be free to spend every penny as they see fit.
Pass H.R. 192 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the 1993 increase in taxes on Social Security benefits.

Accelerate Depreciation on Investment. We need to help companies grow and create jobs.
Pass H.R. 4995 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to reduce corporate marginal income tax rates.


Eliminate Taxes on Capital Gains. Investment should be embraced and rewarded.
Pass H.J. Res 23 (The "Liberty Amendment"), proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

Eliminate Taxes on Tips.The single parents and working students who earn their income chiefly through tips deserve to keep all of their money. This tax on "estimated income" is unfair and should be ended.
Pass H.R. 3664 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide that tips shall not be subject to income or employment taxes.

Support the Mortgage Cancellation Relief Act. Working families who lost their homes should not be punished a second time with a big IRS bill.
Pass H.R. 1876 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to exclude from the gross income of individual taxpayers discharges of indebtedness attributable to certain forgiven residential mortgage obligations.



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2. Spending Reform


Reduce Overseas Military Commitments. Our bases and troops should be on our soil.
It's time to stop subsidizing our trading partners in Europe, Japan and South Korea.

Freeze Non-Defense, Non-Entitlement Spending at Current Levels
I vote against all bloated, pork laden spending bills and will veto them as president.

3. Monetary Policy Reform

Televise Federal Open Market Committee Meetings. An institution as powerful as the Federal Reserve deserves full public scrutiny.

Expand Transparency and Accountability at the Federal Reserve
Pass H.R. 2754 to require the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to continue to make available to the public on a weekly basis information on the measure of the M3 monetary aggregate and its components.

Return Value to Our Money. Legalize gold and silver as a competing currency.
Level the long-term boom and bust business cycle by passing H.R. 4683, which would repeal provisions of the federal criminal code relating to issuing coins of gold, silver, or other metal for use as current money and making or possessing likenesses of such coins.

4. Regulatory Reform

Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley. It has seriously wounded our capital markets and helped make the UK a financial center at our expense.
Ending these misguided regulations would bring jobs flooding back to the United States

Pass H.R. 1049 to reform Sarbanes-Oxley and reduce the burden it places on small businesses.

Repeal or Remove Costly and Unnecessary Federal Regulations. Neighbors know best how to help their neighbors.
We need to make it easier for community banks, credit unions, and other financial institutions to better serve their communities and to help people in these communities get access to credit and capital.
Pass H.R. 1869 to enhance the ability of community banks to foster economic growth and serve their communities, boost small businesses, increase individual savings, and for other purposes.

[Panzerfaust]

Sounds like one of the most thought out plans, not to mention sounds like he uses alot of common sense. I love it!

[bigt10]

Well i dont know if hes elected we have hope anyone else only sees the small problems and were just futher in the tank.

Ron Paul is the only one willing to do anything worth while in my opinoin and the only one who can turn things around. He sees the big picture.

And finally someone who wants to hold the Fed Reserve accountable for things.

They seem to run their own show and are never looked at.

[bigt10]

And muriloninja what is his plan for that unconstitutional Federal Income tax and abolishing the IRS. And also someone who wants to get rid of this ridicoulous spending habits of the government and finally stop trying to police the world attempting to run a welfare state while we go into more debt.

Also does he plan to remove such things such as the partiot act?

He seems to be the only one who wants to get back to our own constitutional rights as citizens.

[PROTEINSHAKE]

how come NO ONE has heard of him?? o wait.........cuz he actually has GOOD ideas..

[bigt10]

getnjakked i uno if u seen that other movie.

the people who really run this country control all the money.

they're is no chance in hell sorry to anyone they will let paul win. theyll jfk him.

one of the only who wants to hold the federal reserve accountable for their own actions and restore our rights.

I find it funny on the net/youtube/ w. this guy is HUGE.

on TV u dont hear a single thing about him

i wonder who owns the tv networks and who finances them?

I also find it quite ironic about this whole net neutrality debate. They just want the same thing that TV has. to much control and no rights for us. if the net was like TV we wouldnt hear about ron paul either. the internet isnt good for them as it is quite neutral and one can figure out the real truth, no restriction of info.

[meathead320]

End the war on drugs.

Legalize them.

Regulate a little bit with quality control, honesty on labels, and no selling to < 18 yrs old etc.... No commercial advertising either.

Add a sales tax 70%.

That would shut down:

Violent crime based around the sale of illegal drugs.

Shut down a LOT of gangs.

Save a TON of money.

Cut down on new addictions, as there would be no dealers going around trying to get people hooked as new clients.

Turn a money pit into a massive surplus, and allow other taxes to be cut to stimulate growth.

[soulstealer]

I love ron paul... hes the man.... unfortunately I dont think this will get done... simply because well........

1. it makes sense
2. it would work
3. its scary to the fkin idiots who have power(see first 2 reasons as explanation)

[Amorphic]

I love ron paul... hes the man.... unfortunately I dont think this will get done... simply because well........

1. it makes sense
2. it would work
3. its scary to the fkin idiots who have power(see first 2 reasons as explanation)

very true

[soulstealer]

It actually drives me mad thinking that the government does the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over again thinking something different will happen.... but they tried that in the 70's 40's and 20's and it didnt work! "do you have a better idea" no "then do it again" WTF?!!!

[Panzerfaust]

Ron Paul making McCain look like a complete tool, AGAIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-tg1kQ8dk

[Pooks]

Ron paul knows whats up..

Problem is too many stupid people who get "awed" everytime the fiscally irresponsible government rolls out a new GOVT PROJECT...

like Flakldlfkslsfksjsjaian lately, aka Johan, when he mentioned so much 'concern' about NASA. (no offense meant karnfskj... I just finally got a rebuttal hehe)

People get awed' by NASA's accomplishments, and they see it as something that creates jobs..

but they don't realize that it is Tax money funding these projects.. and that money could had gone towards each of us buying what we really want to buy.. like nice suits, cars etc... and job creating because the private sector would have that money available to hire people..

so eliminating NASA does not elimiate jobs, it will create more jobs elsewhere, and it addition it will let each one of us spend that money to buy suits, cars, etc, which will stimulate the economy, just as much as these NASA space ships are stimulating the economy too..
SAME DIFFERENCE.. except in 1. we get what we really want.. and in 2. it gets spent on bullshit picture of space that awe ignorant people. heh lol and feed this political machine of govt control over our spending...

But what about all those discoveries made by NASA that are used today also in the private sector, a brainwashed socialist peon would say next!!!..

GUESS WHAT!!! WHAT ABOUT ALL THE DISCOVERIES THAT DID NOT HAPPEN in other areas of research because of all this money being spent on space research!!!!!!!!!!!..

Its easy to see what we have.. but its not see easy to see what we might have had!!!
UMUFTHA****IDIEE!!! hehehe
KILL THEM ALL RON PAUL!!!!

[qualityclrk1]

Ron Paul making McCain look like a complete tool, AGAIN!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu-tg1kQ8dk

lmfao...i love how he shits all over McCain at the end lol hahaha Paul seemed like a normal guy

[soccer#3]

the comparison is perfect. both dont have a clue wtf they talkin about

[Logan13]

Sounds like one of the most thought out plans, not to mention sounds like he uses alot of common sense. I love it!

Admittedly, it is exactly what needs to happen. That's enough to make any Liberal cringe, which is the test for a sound economic plan in my book.........

[Logan13]

Ron paul knows whats up..

Problem is too many stupid people who get "awed" everytime the fiscally irresponsible government rolls out a new GOVT PROJECT...

like Flakldlfkslsfksjsjaian lately, aka Johan, when he mentioned so much 'concern' about NASA. (no offense meant karnfskj... I just finally got a rebuttal hehe)

People get awed' by NASA's accomplishments, and they see it as something that creates jobs..

but they don't realize that it is Tax money funding these projects.. and that money could had gone towards each of us buying what we really want to buy.. like nice suits, cars etc... and job creating because the private sector would have that money available to hire people..

so eliminating NASA does not elimiate jobs, it will create more jobs elsewhere, and it addition it will let each one of us spend that money to buy suits, cars, etc, which will stimulate the economy, just as much as these NASA space ships are stimulating the economy too..
SAME DIFFERENCE.. except in 1. we get what we really want.. and in 2. it gets spent on bullshit picture of space that awe ignorant people. heh lol and feed this political machine of govt control over our spending...

But what about all those discoveries made by NASA that are used today also in the private sector, a brainwashed socialist peon would say next!!!..

GUESS WHAT!!! WHAT ABOUT ALL THE DISCOVERIES THAT DID NOT HAPPEN in other areas of research because of all this money being spent on space research!!!!!!!!!!!..

Its easy to see what we have.. but its not see easy to see what we might have had!!!
UMUFTHA****IDIEE!!! hehehe
KILL THEM ALL RON PAUL!!!!

you make good points. If space exploration were moved to the private sector, we would be light years ahead of where we are now.

[Amorphic]

you make good points. If space exploration were moved to the private sector, we would be light years ahead of where we are now.

very true. virgin galactic is pushing ahead pretty hard. (or trying to at least)

[Logan13]

Ron paul knows whats up..

I do not believe that the average citizen understands how much it truely effects them when government increases in size.
- Gov't increases in size
- The number of lobbyists grows exponentially
- Earmarks on funding bills increases
- The average citizen pays for it through taxation

Those of you who bitch about "corporations" having too much power need to open your eyes and understand that corporations have gotten more power simply because gov't has gotten so big. Which groups have the money to pay these lobbyists? It's not your local Mom&Pop stores, it is big business. So for those of you who want the gov't to supply you with all the "wants" in your life(i.e. socialized healthcare) but then complain abour corporate fatcats...remember that you are getting what You wanted!.
A Capitalistic society does not need gov't jumping in and regulating everything under the sun. Every gov't regulation, every gov't agency created to oversee said regulation, every gov't program created, every gov't agency created to run said programs is paid for by taxpayers. If you get more money back every year than you pay in, you are NOT a taxpayer. You are the reason gov't has gotten so large.........

The pursuit of happiness rests on the shoulders of every individual, not every individual handout!
-Logan13

[Pooks]

So for those of you who want the gov't to supply you with all the "wants" in your life(i.e. socialized healthcare) [/I]!
-Logan13

Yup, universal healtcare is in fact subsidized health care...

and what people don't realize, what will happen is, A) People who don't deserve to get healthcare will be getting it. and B) People who really deserve it, will not get it.


People already complain about crowded hospital and doctor visits..

With Universal Healhcare you will have every person going to the doctor, some people numerous times on a weekly basis, over nothing but a common cold... or regarding the same problem numberous and countless times..

That doesn't sound to bad right? in fact a lot of people would say, GREAT!..

yah REAL GREAT!!
when PERSON B!!
who just had a heart attack, or someone who is really disabled and barely has enough energy to drag himself to a hospital has to do so..

His service will suffer.. He will actually be turned away from going to the doctor, because the waits will to much for him to deal with..

so those people who need service, will suffer, because other people are taking advantage of the system.
Universal Healthcare will also INCREASE cost!!!!! u will see it in the form of increased taxes or increased inflation!


What Healcare needs is Private invention, and streamlining..
They need to incorporate the Internet to eliminate waiting rooms..
They need weed out a lot of cases, they need to make things function better..
This will be achieved through innovation, and private enteprises and with creation of new jobs that do not exist yet.

Than costs will go down too.

[SMCengineer]

I do not believe that the average citizen understands how much it truely effects them when government increases in size.
- Gov't increases in size
- The number of lobbyists grows exponentially
- Earmarks on funding bills increases
- The average citizen pays for it through taxation

Those of you who bitch about "corporations" having too much power need to open your eyes and understand that corporations have gotten more power simply because gov't has gotten so big. Which groups have the money to pay these lobbyists? It's not your local Mom&Pop stores, it is big business. So for those of you who want the gov't to supply you with all the "wants" in your life(i.e. socialized healthcare) but then complain abour corporate fatcats...remember that you are getting what You wanted!.
A Capitalistic society does not need gov't jumping in and regulating everything under the sun. Every gov't regulation, every gov't agency created to oversee said regulation, every gov't program created, every gov't agency created to run said programs is paid for by taxpayers. If you get more money back every year than you pay in, you are NOT a taxpayer. You are the reason gov't has gotten so large.........

The pursuit of happiness rests on the shoulders of every individual, not every individual handout!
-Logan13

Your sounding more and more like a Ron Paul supporter. Good post by the way.

[goodcents]

I would get rid of nasa so quick. Bottomless pit, space station, wtf?

[Kärnfysikern]

People get awed' by NASA's accomplishments, and they see it as something that creates jobs..

but they don't realize that it is Tax money funding these projects.. and that money could had gone towards each of us buying what we really want to buy.. like nice suits, cars etc... and job creating because the private sector would have that money available to hire people..

Without NASA there would have been no communication satellites among other things. We would have been nowhere at all when it comes to space. The private sector does not invest in multi billion dollar projects that might payoff in 20 years if even that.

2. it gets spent on bullshit picture of space that awe ignorant people

Those bullshit pictures are not taken to impress people. They contain vital information to understand this universe. There is no reasonable price tag on revolutionizing our knoweledge of the universe.

But what about all those discoveries made by NASA that are used today also in the private sector, a brainwashed socialist peon would say next!!!..

GUESS WHAT!!! WHAT ABOUT ALL THE DISCOVERIES THAT DID NOT HAPPEN in other areas of research because of all this money being spent on space research!!!!!!!!!!!..

Yeah I mean discovering things like the Big bang and the evolution of the universe isnt anything when we might have had a ipod that is one tenth of a inch slimmer instead.

you make good points. If space exploration were moved to the private sector, we would be light years ahead of where we are now.

No way. There would be no space exploration today without the invesments made by the US and former soviet. The private companies are so far behind that its silly. They dont fly much higher than the spy planes did in the 60's. They are still not even close to reaching orbit. They might get there in 20 years. But even then their acomplishments and technology rest completely on what Von Braun and others did at nasa in the 50's. Without nasa they would not get anywhere because there would be no knoweledge base to build on.

[goodcents]

Without NASA there would have been no communication satellites among other things. We would have been nowhere at all when it comes to space. The private sector does not invest in multi billion dollar projects that might payoff in 20 years if even that.




Those bullshit pictures are not taken to impress people. They contain vital information to understand this universe. There is no reasonable price tag on revolutionizing our knoweledge of the universe.



Yeah I mean discovering things like the Big bang and the evolution of the universe isnt anything when we might have had a ipod that is one tenth of a inch slimmer instead.





No way. There would be no space exploration today without the invesments made by the US and former soviet. The private companies are so far behind that its silly. They dont fly much higher than the spy planes did in the 60's. They are still not even close to reaching orbit. They might get there in 20 years. But even then their acomplishments and technology rest completely on what Von Braun and others did at nasa in the 50's. Without nasa they would not get anywhere because there would be no knoweledge base to build on.

As soon as I get done porking my face we are going to have an old fashion debate


So if it gets too heated just remember

[Kärnfysikern]

Bring it on

I just want to give a few examples of research that would not be done without state funding.

Hubble telescope.
I dont think any scientific experiment has done as much to advance human knoweledge as the hubble. This project has cost something betwen 4,5-6 billion $. Will there ever be any "profit" from this? Who knows, but it has shed light on the shortcommings of the current scientific theories, new theories might bring new technology but that is something we will know in perhaps 30-40 years. Its impossible to know in the same way that it was impossible to know in the begining of the 20th century that the theoreis developed by einstein, heisenberg, fermi, schrödinger ect would lead to nuclear power and computers.

CERN.
Biggest physics lab in the world. Costs one billion a year to run, countless billions to build and uppgrade. Just like hubble it has produced some extremely important scientific discoveries and plenty of nobel prizes. Like with hubble there is no telling if there ever will be any tech made out of the science discovered. But CERN was the birthplace for the world wide web and I guess that can be called quite important


ITER and other fusion reactors.
The cost of ITER is close to 15 billion $. If succesfull it might give rise to a economic and unlimited source of energy in 40 years or so. No company would ever put 15 billion into a project that might give return on investment in 40 years. ITER is just a fraction of the investments made in fusion by goverments all over the world for a very long time.

Todays nuclear reactors.
Almost all of the comercial reactors of today are based on a design made by westinghouse for the US nuclear fleet. The entire field of reactor technology was born and developed by the american national labs(and offcourse the russians aswell). Today nuclear power is offcourse cheap, plentifull and competitive and has payed back every cent ever put into it. But without those huge investments in the begining by goverments there wouldnt be any comercial nuclear power.

Fourth generation nuclear power.
Research is mainly done by universities and national labs. The investments from private companies are exceedingly small. The technology is predicted to be competitive around 2020 and beyond and it has huge, almost unlimited potential. But even though we are only talking about 10-15 years into the future the industry doesnt not want to invest.

A example of future development that relies on state funding. There is absolutely no profit to be made of going to the moon in the short term(30 years or so). But in the long term it could be the doorway into space mining and other enterprises that might bring alot of money. Would any company put tens of billions into going to the moon knowing they might possibly make a profit in 50 years?

The big difference betwen research done by private companies and research made by national labs and universities is that the national labs/unis have the goal of advancing science and developing long term technology. The research done by companies is extremely applied and short term. If it cant be applied within a few years its not a safe enough investment.

[Kärnfysikern]

Sligthly off topic but one thing about nasa. I agree that NASA should now leave manned spaceflight to virgin, Bigelow and others. NASA has already more or less perfected chemical rocket technology and there is no reason whatsoever for them to waste a bunch of billions on the entire constellation project.

They should focus on stuff like the james webb telescope that is going to replace hubble and most of all on experimental propulsion methods like laser propulsion or nuclear thermal propulsion. Things that are a bit into the future and to risky for virgin and others to invest in but that has the potential to cut launch cost down by a factor of 100.

[Pooks]

LOL WEEEEEEEEE!!! LOL

Yes those are things NASA gave us..

and I can't show examples of what we might have instead if that money was left to private investment...because thats an alternate present.

but..
Electricity was discovered in Private.. Nikola tesla/Edison
the Telephone was discovered in private..

Hell maybe pretty much all the inventions discovered before the 1950's were discovered by Private investment. .. and a lot of things since than also,, all those NASDAQ companies today.

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thats all I can is offer the past..
Cause There is no way at all we would know what could had been invented privately today, if NASA and the Soviet Program had never existed..
But it definitely would had free'd up a lot of $$$$$$$$$ for a lot of other things. + gov't efficiently with money is always suspect.

I would bet though, that a lot of people would want to explore and learn about space.. like Gallileo and many others had in the past.. and without NASA they would had picked up the slack themselves.

[Pooks]

Sligthly off topic but one thing about nasa. I agree that NASA should now leave manned spaceflight to virgin, Bigelow and others. NASA has already more or less perfected chemical rocket technology and there is no reason whatsoever for them to waste a bunch of billions on the entire constellation project.

They should focus on stuff like the james webb telescope that is going to replace hubble and most of all on experimental propulsion methods like laser propulsion or nuclear thermal propulsion. Things that are a bit into the future and to risky for virgin and others to invest in but that has the potential to cut launch cost down by a factor of 100.

I do like those ideas.. and the james webb telescope does sound interesting, but thats EXACTLY how we get suckered into taking money from "private sector projects" (faceless, unnamed projects) that we DO NEED.... and take that money away thru taxes to fund projects that we don't really need, but are just curious.

[bigt10]

Kinda off topic.

Nasa is well thats a hard one. Some things government needs to have control.

But some of you don tget the big picture Ron Paul wants to make government get smaller and stop this wasteful spending. Such as having bases in over half the of the countries in this world and trying to police the world, when we should sotp wasting money. Im a complete paul supporter but some things such as nasa just dont go.

I also agree for the most part that public health care is a bad idea and isnt a right. Privatized health care would make it alot better.

However every single one of us can agree that us having our troops around the world is a god dam waste of money. And with the amount of money the CIA and Defense consumes could be put towards alot better things.

While certain things like Nasa are a debatle topic it doesnt reallly matter when your wasting much more money trying to police the world.

[goodcents]

Did anyone see my great nasa debate thread?

[Kärnfysikern]

LOL WEEEEEEEEE!!! LOL

Yes those are things NASA gave us..

and I can't show examples of what we might have instead if that money was left to private investment...because thats an alternate present.

but..
Electricity was discovered in Private.. Nikola tesla/Edison
the Telephone was discovered in private..

Hell maybe pretty much all the inventions discovered before the 1950's were discovered by Private investment. .. and a lot of things since than also,, all those NASDAQ companies today.

---
thats all I can is offer the past..
Cause There is no way at all we would know what could had been invented privately today, if NASA and the Soviet Program had never existed..
But it definitely would had free'd up a lot of $$$$$$$$$ for a lot of other things. + gov't efficiently with money is always suspect.

I would bet though, that a lot of people would want to explore and learn about space.. like Gallileo and many others had in the past.. and without NASA they would had picked up the slack themselves.

And most importantly the transistor was invented at Bell Labs and that is probably the most important invention ever But offcourse Bell Lab did alot of defense related stuff so maby the discovery was made by taxpayer money

I realy like what Virgin and others are doing. I just think there are projects to big and to expensive with to little(if any) return on the investment for private companies to ever be interested in investing. Fundamental science would grind to a halt without money from the goverments around the world and fundamental science today is what produces technology tomorrow.

Private research and state funded research have different perspectives and different goals.

I do like those ideas.. and the james webb telescope does sound interesting, but thats EXACTLY how we get suckered into taking money from "private sector projects" that we DO NEED.... and take that money away thru taxes to fund projects that we don't really need, but are just curious.

But in relation to for instance defense spendings its still just a drop in the ocean. The F-22 Raptor program alone cost as much as NASAs budget for 6 years. Im sure there is plenty of pork to be trimmed in the US. But IMO what NASA and other pure science institutes are doing is well worth the money.

[RuhlFreak55]

nasa is an interesting question.....i think it should exist....and perhaps it would just have a whole helluva lot more funding once Paul gets in there and cuts out all this stupid spending that shouldn't be happening.

[bigt10]

nasa is an interesting question.....i think it should exist....and perhaps it would just have a whole helluva lot more funding once Paul gets in there and cuts out all this stupid spending that shouldn't be happening.

Ya man thats the idea state funding and private funding both have their own purpose.

But as far as trying to run a welfare state and trying to police the world have no purpose.

We need to stop wasting money around the world then theyll be more here and we can improve our own country.

[Logan13]

Without NASA there would have been no communication satellites among other things. We would have been nowhere at all when it comes to space. The private sector does not invest in multi billion dollar projects that might payoff in 20 years if even that.




Those bullshit pictures are not taken to impress people. They contain vital information to understand this universe. There is no reasonable price tag on revolutionizing our knoweledge of the universe.



Yeah I mean discovering things like the Big bang and the evolution of the universe isnt anything when we might have had a ipod that is one tenth of a inch slimmer instead.





No way. There would be no space exploration today without the invesments made by the US and former soviet. The private companies are so far behind that its silly. They dont fly much higher than the spy planes did in the 60's. They are still not even close to reaching orbit. They might get there in 20 years. But even then their acomplishments and technology rest completely on what Von Braun and others did at nasa in the 50's. Without nasa they would not get anywhere because there would be no knoweledge base to build on.

Not to single you out, but you do live in a socialist country. (i.e., you do not have the faith in the free market that many of us do.)

[convalescence69]

I am pro space exploration as well, however, Nasa is wasteful as hell. They are incredibly inefficient, spend tons of money, and get little accomplished unless there is a fire lit under their asses.
I am not certain what to do about that problem though. Karnfy dude has a point about huge projects, and I have discussed this issue with others before.
Independent business doesn't invest in space exploration because it takes huge effort and money to get anywhere with little return and miniscule gain. Business would call it a foolhardy investment. I think it is imperative that we continue to explore space and beyond. I want to see a base on the moon, and a mars landing within the next 10 years, a totally attainable goal, but I seriously doubt that will happen. We're too f-ed up down here fighting over who's god has a bigger dick.

[Kärnfysikern]

Not to single you out, but you do live in a socialist country. (i.e., you do not have the faith in the free market that many of us do.)

You make it sound like I live in a communist state Im more right leaning than I am left.

But its not about having faith in the free market. Research done by private companies has different goals and different purposes. Thats why it will never be able to replace research done at places like CERN, GSI, Fermilab, NASA ect.

You can not expect companies to invest billions and billions into research projects that will not make a profit, why should they?

I am pro space exploration as well, however, Nasa is wasteful as hell. They are incredibly inefficient, spend tons of money, and get little accomplished unless there is a fire lit under their asses.
I am not certain what to do about that problem though. Karnfy dude has a point about huge projects, and I have discussed this issue with others before.
Independent business doesn't invest in space exploration because it takes huge effort and money to get anywhere with little return and miniscule gain. Business would call it a foolhardy investment. I think it is imperative that we continue to explore space and beyond. I want to see a base on the moon, and a mars landing within the next 10 years, a totally attainable goal, but I seriously doubt that will happen. We're too f-ed up down here fighting over who's god has a bigger dick.

I think NASA has to bad reputation. They screw up nowdays when it comes to manned spaceflight. But the space probes like Cassini and the mars rover are extraordinary.