need to trim waistline !!

[Blackster1975]

I know this is gonna sound like a silly question but whats the best way to trim your waistline without compromising upper body mass too much ?

[Narkissos]

...Cardio.

...Diet.

Mass = muscle.

..not fat.

-CNS

[gettingBIGGERfast]

vacuums.

I just started doing vacuums. I'll let you know if Im making progress in a couple of weeks.

[Narkissos]

vacuums.

I just started doing vacuums. I'll let you know if Im making progress in a couple of weeks.

The poster asked for the 'best way'.

How can you suggest a method before you see progress?

-CNS

[gettingBIGGERfast]

The poster asked for the 'best way'.

How can you suggest a method before you see progress?

-CNS

Well, I've read about them, and know they are supposed to help trim the waist, however, I don't seem to here much about them on the boards and haven't really seen anybody mention results from them.

Are you saying my suggestion wasn't valid?

Maybe I should have expanded upon saying 'vacuums.' and said, maybe you could try vacuums like I am....

[Narkissos]

Well, I've read about them, and know they are supposed to help trim the waist, however, I don't seem to here much about them on the boards and haven't really seen anybody mention results from them.

Are you saying my suggestion wasn't valid?

Maybe I should have expanded upon saying 'vacuums.' and said, maybe you could try vacuums like I am....

Losing fat 'trims' the waist.

Liposuction 'trims' the waist.

Vacuums do not.

They're simply an internal contraction and hold.

i.e. a different manner of working the abs...Not spot reduction.

-CNS

[Phate]

...Cardio.

...Diet.

Mass = muscle.

..not fat.

-CNS

+2, you should be doing this already, but hanging leg raises and exercising your upper and lower abs causes my waist to look slimmer, i think because the abs are contracted and this pulls the fat thinner, neway, just my .02 cents

[magic32]

...Cardio.

...Diet.

Mass = muscle.

..not fat.

-CNS

AGREED NARK, except I would have put Diet (hierarchically) first.

In addition I'd add, and this is complimentary and not a substitute for the above advice, performing midsection work to strengthen and thus tighten the natural girdle...obviously abs, obliques, but please don't overlook the very important lower back.

I also agree with Nark's comments on the above posts, some of which don't seem well thought out.
Focus on discipline and lifestyle change, and STAY AWAY FROM FADISH DIET ADVICE THAT CANNOT/SHOULD NOT BE SUSTAINED!

[Narkissos]

AGREED NARK, except I would have put Diet (hierarchically) first.

I wouldn't... I stick by the order above

We can debate this on my performance nutrition thread tho


-C

p.s. Hope all is well with you buddy.

[magic32]

I wouldn't... I stick by the order above

We can debate this on my performance nutrition thread tho


-C

p.s. Hope all is well with you buddy.

Are you guys (Matt included) serious???

I don't care how much cardio you do if input isn't controlled the surplus, timing, and composition of calories can easily outweigh cardio expenditure. But if the former is in check then the latter is additive, and depending on how tight your diet is and your specific goal...you may need to burn only a few extra cals (cardio).

The inverse cannot be stated, for example "If cardio is tight you may not even need to diet"...

What is the performance thread link?

[HORSE~]

What is the performance thread link?

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341121

[Narkissos]

Are you guys (Matt included) serious???

I don't care how much cardio you do if input isn't controlled the surplus, timing, and composition of calories can easily outweigh cardio expenditure. But if the former is in check then the latter is additive, and depending on how tight your diet is and your specific goal...you may need to burn only a few extra cals (cardio).

The inverse cannot be stated, for example "If cardio is tight you may not even need to diet"...

What is the performance thread link?

No need for the '' buddy.

That's just plain disrespectful..

And yes I am quite serious.

Anytime I make a statement I back it 100%.

Your misconception is in your interpretation of my statement.

All things being relative, I place the manipulation of caloric expenditure above the reduction of caloric intake.

Getting 'in shape' can be done (rather easily) at what would normally be deemed caloric excess.

I've done it for 8 years.

I've done it with my clients for 4+ years.

I've watched it being done around me for 10 years.

I've talked to my peers, pros included, who have done it for 20+ years.

Getting 'in shape' can be achieved through the manipulation of either or all of 3 variables: diet; cardio; training.

Personally, 'diet' is the last variable I adjust... Because performance nutrition is tied to performance.

I'm a bodybuilder... Ergo when I use the word 'diet', the immediate connotations would be 'clean' and 'controlled'.

Ergo, this will be the basis of any discussion I have with regard to dieting and training.

That being said, there is no reason that someone cannot get in shape while utilizing a controlled and clean hypercaloric diet.. providing that:

1. The variable of training is manipulated
2. The variable of cardio is manipulated
3. The caloric excess isn't exorbitant


...and I have seen it over and over again.

I have two guys on my board right now, two clients... One is mid-contest prep, the other is doing a contest-prep hybrid (6 month full-body recomposition: 3 month pseudo-contest prep; 3 month lean bulk).

Both are/were hypercaloric.

Both made ridiculous leaps in condition within just 2 weeks...again at 4 weeks... and are still making these jumps.

The variables I'm manipulating?

Weight-training and cardio.

Primarily the former.

I could talk about this all day.


-CNS

[Blackster1975]

Thx for the advice guys

[michaelab]

I know this is gonna sound like a silly question but whats the best way to trim your waistline without compromising upper body mass too much ?

I suggest yoga, low carb diet (No Atkins diet please!) and the last would be cardio. Best thing is to consult your physical trainer, hey by the way check out this website for more info.
http://www.davidlloydleisure.co.uk

[Narkissos]

Lowering carbohydrate intake in conjunction with intense resistance training is key. Cardio would be next in line with ab training coming in last!

I suggest yoga, low carb diet (No Atkins diet please!) and the last would be cardio. Best thing is to consult your physical trainer, hey by the way check out this website for more info.
http://www.shameless.self.plug

I agree with neither of these.

-CNS

[ChuckLee]

Yoga????!!!!??!?
And THE LAST THING cardio? It is the FIRST, after diet of course...

CL

[Blackster1975]

thx for the advice guys

[Ashop]

I know this is gonna sound like a silly question but whats the best way to trim your waistline without compromising upper body mass too much ?

losing overall bodyfat

[matt50]

cardio and diet.

[HORSE~]

Nark I dont think Magic meant the smiley in a disrespectful way....

All dealing's that I have had with him leads me to belive that he is very intelagent and has a good sence of humor, the smiley being a form of his sence of humor(albeit it may not be the same as your's or mine thats what I belive it was) ....

Then agian I guess I could be wrong and he might have been telling you to suck a cock but I dont think thats the case....LOL

Take care guy's....

[texasmk4]

Magic is the man!!!! very intelligent and always right on the spot... Appreciate all the help you have provided bro... Keep up the good work.

[shifty_git]

I think your both right. lol

Output being higher than input... what ever level that input maybe...

+ Proper training on the mid section.

Can't really go wrong then.