First Cycle Help Please

[wukillabee]

Im 24 yrs. old, 5'10, 205 pounds, with about 15% body fat, been training for 6 years now with no more than a 5 month gap of non training during those 6 years. I have been bodybuildingor the last 4 of the 6 years. The last 4 yeras I have takin many different prohormones such as superdrol, halodrol, phera clones all takin with proper pct as well. Im looking to do my first cycle and any advice would be much appreciated.

I have access to Test C which my source says is made in mexico. He also says he has SUper Test that he claims is the same as Sustanon made in Italy. My question is whats the better choice for my first cycle? Either choice i plan on running 500 mg per week for 10 weeks. The test c and super test he says both come 250 mg per ml and 10 ml vial. I know theres plenty of debate about sustanon being eod or twice a week but since this is my first real cycle i plan on doing twice a week if i use this one. For pct i plan on using research chems since theyre way cheaper than my source, is this ok? I was planning on aromasin and nolva for pct and have letro on hand if theres problems on cycle. I also have access to hcg but since this a light cycle i dont believe ill need it unless u guys say different.

[wukillabee]

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[wukillabee]

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[inky-e]

Its a personal choice,I prefer cip,others may not.Flip a coin.lol.

[ChuckLee]

You have to edit your post to remove those UGL names you mentioned. It's against the rules.
Then I'll be glad to help you.

CL

[wukillabee]

You have to edit your post to remove those UGL names you mentioned. It's against the rules.
Then I'll be glad to help you.

CL

Sorry bout the names, i thought they were real like qv, organon, etc. didnt know they were ugl, that sucks.

[ChuckLee]

For a first cycle I firmly advice tect cyp instead of sust, it can be shot twice a week rather than EOD of the sust.
500mg a week for 10 weeks is OK. So you would need 2 vials of 10ml.
AR-R for PCT source is great, so go safe with their products.
I'd say that you need only Nolva for your PCT, but if you get bloated you can add aromasin along with it to get rid of the water in excess. How have you planned it so?
Keep Nolva or Letro on hand in case of gyno.

CL

[wukillabee]

For a first cycle I firmly advice tect cyp instead of sust, it can be shot twice a week rather than EOD of the sust.
500mg a week for 10 weeks is OK. So you would need 2 vials of 10ml.
AR-R for PCT source is great, so go safe with their products.
I'd say that you need only Nolva for your PCT, but if you get bloated you can add aromasin along with it to get rid of the water in excess. How have you planned it so?
Keep Nolva or Letro on hand in case of gyno.

CL

ok so ill go with the test cyp then. I was planning on 1 shot mon frontloading with 500 mg. then 7 days later 250 mg shot, then thur 250 mg shot and stay with that regimin for a total of 10 weeks. from my research i would start pct 14 days after last cyp shot. pct would be nolva for first 2 weeks 40 mg ed then 2 more weeks of 20 mg per day or til back to normal. Also have liquid letro on hand and if gyno sides appear start. Then i would take .5 mg of letro eod til sides go away or til end of cycle. If the liquid letro is dosed at 2.5 mg per ml then how would i how would i get .5 mg from the oral syrange? SOrry for my bad math. I was also planning on using a 23g 1 and 1/2 inch inject for glutes and 23g 1 inch for delt and thigh/quad.

[wukillabee]

FOrgot to add i would also be taking aromasin for 4 weeks of pct dosed at 25 mg ed. DO i need aromasin and nolva for this cycle or is nolva enough? i already hve liquid letro and liquid nolva on hand now.

[wukillabee]

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[ChuckLee]

ok so ill go with the test cyp then. I was planning on 1 shot mon frontloading with 500 mg. then 7 days later 250 mg shot, then thur 250 mg shot and stay with that regimin for a total of 10 weeks. from my research i would start pct 14 days after last cyp shot. pct would be nolva for first 2 weeks 40 mg ed then 2 more weeks of 20 mg per day or til back to normal. Also have liquid letro on hand and if gyno sides appear start. Then i would take .5 mg of letro eod til sides go away or til end of cycle. If the liquid letro is dosed at 2.5 mg per ml then how would i how would i get .5 mg from the oral syrange? SOrry for my bad math. I was also planning on using a 23g 1 and 1/2 inch inject for glutes and 23g 1 inch for delt and thigh/quad.

Frontloading that way is really bad and useless and dangerous. If you have the necessary amount to frontload (+2ml) ok, otherwise keep a constant dosage for all the duration of cycle.
0.5 mg with that conc is 0.2ml.
Pins you mentioned are OK. PCT too. All sounds in check now.
Good Luck!

CL

[wukillabee]

Frontloading that way is really bad and useless and dangerous. If you have the necessary amount to frontload (+2ml) ok, otherwise keep a constant dosage for all the duration of cycle.
0.5 mg with that conc is 0.2ml.
Pins you mentioned are OK. PCT too. All sounds in check now.
Good Luck!

CL

Thank you very much chuck lee. Also about injecting, i want to be as safe as possible so i dont mind spending the few extra bucks to switch out the pin after pulling out of the vial. My questions are, after i pull my 1cc of 250 mg into the syrange and pull the needle out of the vial do i change the needle then push on the plunger a tad to push out any air bubbles or push out air bubbles first then change needle. It makes more sense to me to change needle first then push out for air bubbles so that way if some oil comes out, it will lube the syrange thats going into me. Also, do i poke myself then pull back a tad to see if blood or air goes into the syrange before injecting. i read this in the educational thread. its says to pull back the plunger a tad when u poke before injecting and if some blood goes into the syrange then to withdraw, switch needle and try again because i must have hit a blood vessel. It also says if i pull back on the syrange and some air bubbles come out then inject away and im good. I thought i just swab the spot, poke, inject, withdraw, swab spot again, apply slight pressure while massaging if necessary to spot with cotton ball.

[wukillabee]

Also for this type of cycle i would inject mon and thur of every week for 10 weeks but does it matter what time of the day i inject on those days? Ive seen some say mon morn then thurs nite but does it really matter what time of the day i inject?

Whats ur opinions on my on days and injecting. say mon and thur are my normal training days, does it matter or make a difference if i inject after or before my workout? I know this is a long acting ester and probably wont matter and would probably be better after i workout in case i get pain from the inject then have to workout with that pain but just wanted ur guy's opinion. Sorry for all the questions, just want to do everything right the first time and get the most out of my cycle and money. I know it comes down to diet above all else but this is a lot newer to me then diet since ive been watching and counting my diet for sometime and this is my first time doing a cycle. I really appreciate everyone's help and any input they can give me!

[wukillabee]

Also for this type of cycle i would inject mon and thur of every week for 10 weeks but does it matter what time of the day i inject on those days? Ive seen some say mon morn then thurs nite but does it really matter what time of the day i inject?

Whats ur opinions on my on days and injecting. say mon and thur are my normal training days, does it matter or make a difference if i inject after or before my workout? I know this is a long acting ester and probably wont matter and would probably be better after i workout in case i get pain from the inject then have to workout with that pain but just wanted ur guy's opinion. Sorry for all the questions, just want to do everything right the first time and get the most out of my cycle and money. I know it comes down to diet above all else but this is a lot newer to me then diet since ive been watching and counting my diet for sometime and this is my first time doing a cycle. I really appreciate everyone's help and any input they can give me!

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[ChuckLee]

Thank you very much chuck lee. Also about injecting, i want to be as safe as possible so i dont mind spending the few extra bucks to switch out the pin after pulling out of the vial. My questions are, after i pull my 1cc of 250 mg into the syrange and pull the needle out of the vial do i change the needle then push on the plunger a tad to push out any air bubbles or push out air bubbles first then change needle. You could draw the cc with a 20G needle and then change it with a 23G to inject it in the muscle It makes more sense to me to change needle first then push out for air bubbles so that way if some oil comes out, it will lube the syrange thats going into me. I'ts ok as you thought Also, do i poke myself then pull back a tad to see if blood or air goes into the syrange before injecting. i read this in the educational thread. its says to pull back the plunger a tad when u poke before injecting and if some blood goes into the syrange then to withdraw, switch needle and try again because i must have hit a blood vessel. Exactly, you HAVE to do this EVERYTIME before inject It also says if i pull back on the syrange and some air bubbles come out then inject away and im good. I thought i just swab and apply a minute massage firstthe spot, poke, pull back first!!! inject, withdraw, swab spot again, apply slight pressure while massaging if necessary to spot with cotton ball.

Read in bold.

CL

[ChuckLee]

Also for this type of cycle i would inject mon and thur of every week for 10 weeks but does it matter what time of the day i inject on those days? Ive seen some say mon morn then thurs nite but does it really matter what time of the day i inject?

Whats ur opinions on my on days and injecting. say mon and thur are my normal training days, does it matter or make a difference if i inject after or before my workout? I know this is a long acting ester and probably wont matter and would probably be better after i workout in case i get pain from the inject then have to workout with that pain but just wanted ur guy's opinion. Sorry for all the questions, just want to do everything right the first time and get the most out of my cycle and money. I know it comes down to diet above all else but this is a lot newer to me then diet since ive been watching and counting my diet for sometime and this is my first time doing a cycle. I really appreciate everyone's help and any input they can give me!

Injections have to be done every 3-4 days, I understand you probably can't do it exactly every 3.5 days. Keep at least the same days, ie mon and thu.
Morning just off to bed and evening after WO should be fine.

CL

[wukillabee]

Injections have to be done every 3-4 days, I understand you probably can't do it exactly every 3.5 days. Keep at least the same days, ie mon and thu.
Morning just off to bed and evening after WO should be fine.

CL

Thank you CL, youve been a huge help. Just one more question, if i start bloating a lot while on (tons of water retention) whats the best way to fight this? I know some bloating is good because it helps keep ur joints lubed and plenty of water retention will help lift those big weights without much stress on the joints but im just saying if it gets out of hand. Should i run a serm like nolva say at 10 mg eod til end of cycle or an ai like letro at .5 mg eod til end of cycle? I know i need estrogen while on cycle to grow and all but im just saying in case water retention gets real bad for me what can i do to combat this without sacrificing too much of my gains? Thank you again!

Ive read threads were people say letro while on dosed low eod is a must for dryer gains while on a test cycle and others say screw it and just soak up the water retention until pct. I just dont want to look like the michilin man while on cycle, haha. I know a lot of this will come down to diet but no matter the diet it wont change the water retention.

[wukillabee]

Thank you CL, youve been a huge help. Just one more question, if i start bloating a lot while on (tons of water retention) whats the best way to fight this? I know some bloating is good because it helps keep ur joints lubed and plenty of water retention will help lift those big weights without much stress on the joints but im just saying if it gets out of hand. Should i run a serm like nolva say at 10 mg eod til end of cycle or an ai like letro at .5 mg eod til end of cycle? I know i need estrogen while on cycle to grow and all but im just saying in case water retention gets real bad for me what can i do to combat this without sacrificing too much of my gains? Thank you again!

Ive read threads were people say letro while on dosed low eod is a must for dryer gains while on a test cycle and others say screw it and just soak up the water retention until pct. I just dont want to look like the michilin man while on cycle, haha. I know a lot of this will come down to diet but no matter the diet it wont change the water retention.

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[wukillabee]

Thank you CL, youve been a huge help. Just one more question, if i start bloating a lot while on (tons of water retention) whats the best way to fight this? I know some bloating is good because it helps keep ur joints lubed and plenty of water retention will help lift those big weights without much stress on the joints but im just saying if it gets out of hand. Should i run a serm like nolva say at 10 mg eod til end of cycle or an ai like letro at .5 mg eod til end of cycle? I know i need estrogen while on cycle to grow and all but im just saying in case water retention gets real bad for me what can i do to combat this without sacrificing too much of my gains? Thank you again!

Ive read threads were people say letro while on dosed low eod is a must for dryer gains while on a test cycle and others say screw it and just soak up the water retention until pct. I just dont want to look like the michilin man while on cycle, haha. I know a lot of this will come down to diet but no matter the diet it wont change the water retention.

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[Barbaros]

I don't think there it matters what test u use (personally I go for the cheapest, provided that it's not underdosed/counterfeit) as for the injection frequency, 500 is low dosage and you can take it in one injection (u get a better "kick" with 1x500mg than 2x250)

[nowdenlid]

I don't think there it matters what test u use (personally I go for the cheapest, provided that it's not underdosed/counterfeit) as for the injection frequency, 500 is low dosage and you can take it in one injection (u get a better "kick" with 1x500mg than 2x250)

i totaly disagree with that post^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Big]

i totaly disagree with that post^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Me too. A better "kick"? mmmmkay.

[Phate]

barbados, are you telling him to inject once a week at 500mg instead of twice a week at 250mg, if so thats bad advice as it will cause unstable blood levels of test and create more sides, i.e. more bloating, conversion of test to estrogen, acne if he's prone to it.

[Big]

barbados, are you telling him to inject once a week at 500mg instead of twice a week at 250mg, if so thats bad advice as it will cause unstable blood levels of test and create more sides, i.e. more bloating, conversion of test to estrogen, acne if he's prone to it.

exactly. not to mention a long ester won't provide a "kick" in one large injection, it has to build up sufficiently in your system before you even notice it.

[shifty_git]

barbados, are you telling him to inject once a week at 500mg instead of twice a week at 250mg, if so thats bad advice as it will cause unstable blood levels of test and create more sides, i.e. more bloating, conversion of test to estrogen, acne if he's prone to it.

exactly. not to mention a long ester won't provide a "kick" in one large injection, it has to build up sufficiently in your system before you even notice it.

listen to these guys, spot on advice...

just backing up what they said incase ya not sure on who 2 believe.

[Phate]

Big or Shifty Git, would you agree to help with bloating wukillabee could take arimidex at .25mg ed when sides show up or am i wrong on this

[Big]

Big or Shifty Git, would you agree to help with bloating wukillabee could take arimidex at .25mg ed when sides show up or am i wrong on this

Personally I would start arimidex at .25eod, and see how it goes from there. I like to use the minimum required while on cycle, if eod doesn't seem to help, bump to ed and tweak the dosages from there.

[wukillabee]

Personally I would start arimidex at .25eod, and see how it goes from there. I like to use the minimum required while on cycle, if eod doesn't seem to help, bump to ed and tweak the dosages from there.

sounds good but i have letro. I for sure will be doing 2 injects a week, mon=250mg shot, thur=250 mg shot. Ive takin many potent prohormones before like sd and m1t with no gyno problems so i dont think im prone to it. Anyone think i should take an oral for the first 4-5 weeks just before the test kicks in and if so, what can i take besides dbol. Really trying not to bloat too much so would like to stay away from dbol. thanks guys!

[Phate]

if you don't want to bloat how bout running test prop for a kickstart along with the test cyp. or can you not get prop?

[wukillabee]

if you don't want to bloat how bout running test prop for a kickstart along with the test cyp. or can you not get prop?

Cant get prop, only can get supertest, sustanon 250, or test cyp for test. I didnt ask my source about orals since i wasnt really thinking of using an oral but for the first 4-5 weeks of me waiting for the cyp to kick in i dont mind using something if u guys think that will be ok. I know theres plenty of debate saying for 1st cycle to only use test e or c cus if u add something then u dont know where the sides are coming from. For me, i dont see that a problem because if i use an oral for the first 4 weeks and im getting sides in the first 4 weeks then im sure its from the oral since the test hasnt fully kicked in yet and vice versa. Just a thought.

[Phate]

well both test and dianabol or testosterone derived steroids so running them for a first cycle is okay, it's when people want to run a DHT like deca that it's cautioned against because the derivative is different. you could run dianabol for a kickstart and get some arimidex to run in case of sides. i know you have letro, which you can use, but it's very potent and too much can kill your sex drive and block all aromatization, which isn't good as you need some estrogen or your gains will be hindered.

[Big]

agreed, I would save the letro and get some arimidex.

[wukillabee]

well both test and dianabol or testosterone derived steroids so running them for a first cycle is okay, it's when people want to run a DHT like deca that it's cautioned against because the derivative is different. you could run dianabol for a kickstart and get some arimidex to run in case of sides. i know you have letro, which you can use, but it's very potent and too much can kill your sex drive and block all aromatization, which isn't good as you need some estrogen or your gains will be hindered.

i understand, just looking for a different not so much water retaining oral to kick start this cycle for the first 4 weeks. Ill save the letro, would liquid aromasin be ok instead of arimidex? my source is way too expensive for pct so i gotta go liquid with it.

[Big]

i understand, just looking for a different not so much water retaining oral to kick start this cycle for the first 4 weeks. Ill save the letro, would liquid aromasin be ok instead of arimidex? my source is way too expensive for pct so i gotta go liquid with it.

I would use arimidex on cycle, just click the blue word in the post and it will take you to the board sponsor, good chems.

[wukillabee]

i understand, just looking for a different not so much water retaining oral to kick start this cycle for the first 4 weeks. Ill save the letro, would liquid aromasin be ok instead of arimidex? my source is way too expensive for pct so i gotta go liquid with it.

Dont get me wrong, i dont mind being patient for my first cycle and just running cyp solo and waiting for it to kick in. BUT i also dont mind running a kick start for the first 4 weeks for my first cycle with an oral besides dbol that will work with the cyp and maximize my gains for my first run. Whatever u guys think would be best ill go ahead and do. Id just like to run an oral kcikstart besides dbol if u guys know of any for the first 4 weeks if it sounds like its worth it to u guys.

[Big]

I would skip the oral for the first cycle, with fresh receptors you should grow like a weed if your diet and training are in check.

[wukillabee]

I would skip the oral for the first cycle, with fresh receptors you should grow like a weed if your diet and training are in check.

SOunds like a plan BIG, much love for everyone's help here! Ill look into the arimidex and use it only if sides are getting bad eod as you described BIG. No oral will help me save some cash anyways. Ill be sure to post my cycle on here in august/september when im ready to do it so keep an eye out for wukillabee everyone. Ill also try to post before and after pics for this cycle.