Pick n mix, what can i do with this assortment?

[Bio-boosted]

Fellas, i'm trying to sort out a bulking cycle to start in a few weeks time. This will be my second.
I'm 180lbs, about 14%, 5'8". 1st cycle, 500mg TestEn ew, 25mg Prov ED.

Now i got 20 amps Test En 250; 8 amps of Sust250; 23 tabs of Dbol 50mg.
I have some Var as well but not enough, i'd have to get some more, i got 50X10mg..
Sh!t loads of HCG and exemestine, and letro (for emergencies).
What i thought i'd do was a 14 weeker this way:
1-4 Sustanon @500 (twice a week)
5-14 Test Enan @500 (ditto)
1-3 Dbol @ 50 ED
2-16 HCG @500 iu (e3d)

OK, i got some strange amounts of gear for sure, but i'm wondering if anyone thinks the sustanon at the beginning of the cycle will complement the Dbols (of which i am a few days short of a 4 weeker) for the short and quick effects. And help my blood levels for when i start using the Test E?
What do you think? Would you change this around any different?
I can get more of the above if you wanna suggest that, but i'd like to see what you would do if this was all you had.
Like i said, it's a bulk i'm after here. Going to keep the diet fairly lean / clean, but i'd love to see 195-200lbs.

[one8nine]

you need to get to 12% or less before you start, especially to bulk

i HATE sustanon, do not use it at all, throw it away. ESPECIALLY DONT USE IT 2X A WEEK! it has prop so needs to be used daily, or at very least every other day

thats too much hcg, you CAN desensitize to it, just save it for the end maybe the middle if you want too

1-10 test e 500mg
1-4 dbol 50mg
1-12 aromasin 25mg ed
5-6, 11-14: hcg 500iu e3d
13-16: nolva/proviron or nolva/aromasin

[Bio-boosted]

You really don't like sustanon do you!
Thanks for thr HCG tip

[SuperLift]

sust is not bad, but it's definitely not to be ran for only 4 weeks. I agree with throwing it out all together. As for the dbol I'd say run 35 mg a day till you run out. Just break up the pills and guestimate.

[magic32]

Sort of in agreement with 189, unless you have specific reasons for so prominently including HCG, if so please outline them otherwise discard it. Are there precipitating factors that dictate your running of an AI throughout the cycle, such as past gyno or other estrogen related conditions? If not, then don't, but assuming there is Aromasin is not one of the better on-cycle AI's for a variety of reasons. Is there a reason it was selected over A-or L-dex?

And why is your Dbol so high?
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189,

Why do you hate Sust and recommend throwing it away?
Although not truly ideal because of its composition and bb'er specific goals, Sust can still be effectively employed if the components are fully understood. Yes, it has Prop but that doesn't necessitate ED or EOD usage, because it also possesses (in substantially greater ratios & quantities) both mid and long esters that serve to sustain serum levels even as Prop peaks and valleys accordingly. I won't go into detail until I hear your critique, but there's no reason to have such strong disdain towards it.

[Bio-boosted]

OK fair enuff guys, and thanks. Personally i thought sust just being another testosterone would be fine to run somewhere in the cycle. I put it there simply to get rid of it really.
Can i bore you with one more? Rather than chuck away good money would it be worth using if i used it EOD?
I guess you don't think it worth getting more of it to make a future cycle up...
Shame i only have ampules, be difficult to keep sterile if i use 1/2cc EOD i suppose.

Anyhow, thanks for your input

[Bio-boosted]

Sort of in agreement with 189, unless you have specific reasons for so prominently including HCG, if so please outline them otherwise discard it. Are there precipitating factors that dictate your running of an AI throughout the cycle, such as past gyno or other estrogen related conditions? If not, then don't, but assuming there is Aromasin is not one of the better on-cycle AI's for a variety of reasons. Is there a reason it was selected over A-or L-dex?

And why is your Dbol so high?

OK, the HCG as i laid it out was what i gathered was necessary and standard, i've seen 189's method as well. Didn't know which to choose, so i just typed it out for you guys to critque thats all.
The AI's i got at a good price (can i say that?), but i found during my last cycle that i didn't have ANY gyno at all, not even bloat. Still, you never know.. Can't hurt.
The Dbols are high, it's the way they came. If you ment the ED dosing instead, i just put some numbers out there. I like the idea of breaking them up into 35's. Good idea
Thanks again

[one8nine]

Sort of in agreement with 189, unless you have specific reasons for so prominently including HCG, if so please outline them otherwise discard it. Are there precipitating factors that dictate your running of an AI throughout the cycle, such as past gyno or other estrogen related conditions? If not, then don't, but assuming there is Aromasin is not one of the better on-cycle AI's for a variety of reasons. Is there a reason it was selected over A-or L-dex?

And why is your Dbol so high?
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189,

Why do you hate Sust and recommend throwing it away?
Although not truly ideal because of its composition and bb'er specific goals, Sust can still be effectively employed if the components are fully understood. Yes, it has Prop but that doesn't necessitate ED or EOD usage, because it also possesses (in substantially greater ratios & quantities) both mid and long esters that serve to sustain serum levels even as Prop peaks and valleys accordingly. I won't go into detail until I hear your critique, but there's no reason to have such strong disdain towards it.

if you one is to not take advantage of the prop, why use something with prop at all?
thats exactly it, its not truly ideal. were here to build the best possible cycles. i think saying sust is okay even though its not the best is along the lines of saying prop EOD is okay even though ed is better, clomid only pct is okay even though nolva/proviron/hcg is better, a deca only cycle is okay even thought deca/test is better.
if there is a better option it should be taking, giving the okay to a less sensible choice is irresponsible, IMHO.

[magic32]

if you one is to not take advantage of the prop, why use something with prop at all?

thats exactly it, its not truly ideal. were here to build the best possible cycles.

if there is a better option it should be taking, giving the okay to a less sensible choice is irresponsible, IMHO.

Humph, three interesting points!
Superficially, it’s easy to see why Sust gets a bad rap, but when more thoroughly examined its worth becomes not only readily apparent but largely inarguable as well.

Admittedly, using a single ester expedites one’s goal, but that doesn't render Sust a useless substance...far from it! Many people erroneously suppose that just because the Prop is being used up faster than the longer esters that it has no legitimate value, as you clearly assert above. Ironically, Sust was designed for the very reason you're saying not to use it, namely to provide some swiftly available Test for rapid effect, a fact which remains constant whether applied medicinally or by the bb'er.

Furthermore, and here's the kicker which is also what many fail to comprehend, Sust's whole is greater than the sum of its parts. That is to say the Prop component continues to contribute to the overall dosage even in the presence of its early metabolism (absorption, elimination and degradation), i.e. 500mgs of Sust still provides 500 Testosterone mgs with regard to the total initial effect on serum concentrations.

It remains an intelligently "engineered" testosterone, because due to it’s synergy the propionate and phenylpropionate esters are essentially released in tandem mimicking that of single ester (rather than independently) into circulation for the first four days, which neatly fits the bb'er twice a week administration, and constitutes a mere 36% (with regard to Sust 250) of the total dosage. This leaves at minimum, a sound 64% of the mid-long/long esters for building serum levels to steady-state, which are also re-administered twice weekly en route to one’s goal.

Therefore, in the final analysis, Sust simply isn't as bad as some purport it to be, and although it negatively extends the time to steady-state, it also positively provides muscle stimulating punch along the way which isn't available in single long ester cycles, even with frontloading unless of course an additional kick-start compound like Drol, Dbol, etc. is added!

So little Sustanon like most perceived vigilantes who seemingly operate outside the law, e.g. Batman, Daredevil, and at times Spidey, is in fact just another do-gooder that is largely misunderstood by the population it serves!

Excelsior!

[one8nine]

i understand where you are coming from with everything you said
but i still feel very strongly that ed injects of a short ester, or 2x week od eod injects of a long ester + a kickstart are much better choices

[T_Own]

the wording is very convincing magic lol.
i guess it stands as to each his own, i just think that if you shoot it ed or eod you might as well just run prop, or if you do 2x a week, you might as well just run e or cyp

[one8nine]

the wording is very convincing magic lol.
i guess it stands as to each his own, i just think that if you shoot it ed or eod you might as well just run prop, or if you do 2x a week, you might as well just run e or cyp

eexxaaccttllly =)