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    Quote Originally Posted by magic32 View Post
    Sort of in agreement with 189, unless you have specific reasons for so prominently including HCG, if so please outline them otherwise discard it. Are there precipitating factors that dictate your running of an AI throughout the cycle, such as past gyno or other estrogen related conditions? If not, then don't, but assuming there is Aromasin is not one of the better on-cycle AI's for a variety of reasons. Is there a reason it was selected over A-or L-dex?

    And why is your Dbol so high?
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    189,

    Why do you hate Sust and recommend throwing it away?
    Although not truly ideal because of its composition and bb'er specific goals, Sust can still be effectively employed if the components are fully understood. Yes, it has Prop but that doesn't necessitate ED or EOD usage, because it also possesses (in substantially greater ratios & quantities) both mid and long esters that serve to sustain serum levels even as Prop peaks and valleys accordingly. I won't go into detail until I hear your critique, but there's no reason to have such strong disdain towards it.
    if you one is to not take advantage of the prop, why use something with prop at all?
    thats exactly it, its not truly ideal. were here to build the best possible cycles. i think saying sust is okay even though its not the best is along the lines of saying prop EOD is okay even though ed is better, clomid only pct is okay even though nolva/proviron/hcg is better, a deca only cycle is okay even thought deca/test is better.
    if there is a better option it should be taking, giving the okay to a less sensible choice is irresponsible, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one8nine View Post
    if you one is to not take advantage of the prop, why use something with prop at all?

    thats exactly it, its not truly ideal. were here to build the best possible cycles.

    if there is a better option it should be taking, giving the okay to a less sensible choice is irresponsible, IMHO.
    Humph, three interesting points!
    Superficially, it’s easy to see why Sust gets a bad rap, but when more thoroughly examined its worth becomes not only readily apparent but largely inarguable as well.

    Admittedly, using a single ester expedites one’s goal, but that doesn't render Sust a useless substance...far from it! Many people erroneously suppose that just because the Prop is being used up faster than the longer esters that it has no legitimate value, as you clearly assert above. Ironically, Sust was designed for the very reason you're saying not to use it, namely to provide some swiftly available Test for rapid effect, a fact which remains constant whether applied medicinally or by the bb'er.

    Furthermore, and here's the kicker which is also what many fail to comprehend, Sust's whole is greater than the sum of its parts. That is to say the Prop component continues to contribute to the overall dosage even in the presence of its early metabolism (absorption, elimination and degradation), i.e. 500mgs of Sust still provides 500 Testosterone mgs with regard to the total initial effect on serum concentrations.

    It remains an intelligently "engineered" testosterone, because due to it’s synergy the propionate and phenylpropionate esters are essentially released in tandem mimicking that of single ester (rather than independently) into circulation for the first four days, which neatly fits the bb'er twice a week administration, and constitutes a mere 36% (with regard to Sust 250) of the total dosage. This leaves at minimum, a sound 64% of the mid-long/long esters for building serum levels to steady-state, which are also re-administered twice weekly en route to one’s goal.

    Therefore, in the final analysis, Sust simply isn't as bad as some purport it to be, and although it negatively extends the time to steady-state, it also positively provides muscle stimulating punch along the way which isn't available in single long ester cycles, even with frontloading unless of course an additional kick-start compound like Drol, Dbol, etc. is added!

    So little Sustanon like most perceived vigilantes who seemingly operate outside the law, e.g. Batman, Daredevil, and at times Spidey, is in fact just another do-gooder that is largely misunderstood by the population it serves!

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