which of these two cycles are better for first cycle

[listerine]

Wk 1-2: Dbol 30mg ED
Wk 3-4: Dbol 40mg ED
Wk 1-10: Test E 500mg EW
Wk 1-12: letro 1.25mg E3D
nolva for Pct

OR

Wk 1-5: Tbol 60mg ED
Wk 1-10: Test E 500mg EW
Wk 1-12: Letro 1.25mg every 3.5 days
nolva for pct

My goals are to gain 25lbs (20lbs at the very least) but i kinda wanna lean bulk and do the cycle with tbol but i wonder if i'll gain enough also if i chose the second one would i have to change the diet up from my usual bulking diet

stats: age21, weight 185lbs, height 6"1, BF 10%

[one8nine]

they both suck
dbol shouldnt be tapered
that letro dose is insane
nolva for pct is half assed

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4111013

[redz]

Agreed both of those cycles are off. You should run dbol at the same dose for 4 weeks. Also I hope you are planing on injecting test e every 3.5 days to keep your blood levels stable. I also wouldnt suggest taking letro especially at that dose unless you feel signs of gyno. For pct you should have an ai and serm.

[MR_T]

Wk 1-2: Dbol 30mg ED
Wk 3-4: Dbol 40mg ED
Wk 1-10: Test E 250mgx2
Wk 1-12: letro 1.25mg E3D
nolva for Pct
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OR

Wk 1-5: Tbol 60mg ED
Wk 1-10: Test E 500mg EW
Wk 1-12: Letro 1.25mg every 3.5 days
nolva for pct

My goals are to gain 25lbs (20lbs at the very least) but i kinda wanna lean bulk and do the cycle with tbol but i wonder if i'll gain enough also if i chose the second one would i have to change the diet up from my usual bulking diet

stats: age21, weight 185lbs, height 6"1, BF 10%
work on your diet, you got an inch on me and I still outweigh you by 10lbs and almost the same bf%, didn't believe it when i came to this site but DIET makes a huge difference, I got 'steroid like gains' just from dieting after getting scammed online, just something to think about

agreed with above just do what is in red