is mass directly related to strength, torque, and power?

[football3355]

Hello guys, I just brewed up a huge controversial topic that was always in my house when I was in 17 (6 years ago). For ages, my dad and I would argue whether or not I needed to get bigger in order to add more torque/strength to my body in order to have a fast swing for baseball. I know bat speed is a big component in how hard/far a ball is hit, but what about mass/torque are they any part in it. You see, my dad would say "don't worry about getting bigger, just get stronger, that will give bat speed and torque." But I always thought in my mind if more mass was behind the bat along with stength, then youd crush the baseball alot farther than if you were just really strong. Is this true? I mean look at Barry Bonds, for example, hes strong as hell, but hes also a big boy which he used to crush homers. Is his strength more directly related to his hittin so many homers, or is the mass more imortant? please help me with this because this will greatly depend on whether I decide to keep bulking and take tes e w/ dbol or just use cutting steroids to get insanely strong but not loose my strength later on. as far as torque goes, for example with kenetic energy, if a 250 lb man hits you at 10mph compared to a 125lb girl at 10mph, which would cause you to move farther/fall over faster. I apply this to if you have more mass behind the bat when swingning, then maybe that kenetic energy is what makes the ball go farther/harder than if a small person swinings a little faster but doesnt hit it as far. sorry if it is a little confusing but i had to put this out there. its been bugging me for 6 years and has been the reason why i became interested in bodybuilding/powerlifting, with supps, aas, etc.

[one8nine]

mucle can be trained for strength.
as an mma fighter/wrestler i try to be as strong as i can without mass.
the more mass you have, the easier it is to get strong though.
my coach wrestled with a national champ, his weight class was 142 he could bench 405 ten reps.

its all in how you train.
for example, for me being strong not big means yeah i could bench 350-400 im guessing but ive never tried.
chest day starts with something like 5-7 sets of 10reps, 245 or 265. maybe 5-7 sets of 15reps 225lbs, then repeat on incline. thats my whole chest day. maybe some dips and go home.

[football3355]

mucle can be trained for strength.
as an mma fighter/wrestler i try to be as strong as i can without mass.
the more mass you have, the easier it is to get strong though.
my coach wrestled with a national champ, his weight class was 142 he could bench 405 ten reps.

its all in how you train.
for example, for me being strong not big means yeah i could bench 350-400 im guessing but ive never tried.
chest day starts with something like 5-7 sets of 10reps, 245 or 265. maybe 5-7 sets of 15reps 225lbs, then repeat on incline. thats my whole chest day. maybe some dips and go home.

dang, well in terms of physics and bat speed, is strength EVERYTHING in terms of hitting a ball farther than someone else? because this is my senior year in scollege coming up (i know i said 23 for age....BIG typo i am 22 senior) and I dont want bulk up ridiculously and some of my bulk because thats what aas do even if you pct is solid, so why not hit two birds with one stone by not drawing physical steroid-like attention to myself while just getting super superr strong and keeping my strength, but only if strength if KEY to torque and hittin balls farther, if mass plays a key two, i will opt for a test cycle instead of cutting cycle with strength-only roids

[T_Own]

size definitely doesn't always mean more strength. it doesn't matter what ester test you use, its probably just going to change how much water weight you gain

[football3355]

size definitely doesn't always mean more strength. it doesn't matter what ester test you use, its probably just going to change how much water weight you gain

but interms of hitting a ball farther with bat speed, will more mass behind the speed help hit it farther compared to just bein really strong? See my problem is, I want to hit bombs for my team this year, and dont want people to think im juicing which would be more obvious 30lbs heavier if that IS what it takes to hit bombs. My question is, can I hit bombs just as much by just gaining pure-strength with NO mass? Or do I, in terms of physics, need mass with strength to hit bombs? I rather cut and get super strengthed than get massive with strength to avoid speculation if i can still hit bombs despite not having the mass for it

[one8nine]

size definitely doesn't always mean more strength. it doesn't matter what ester test you use, its probably just going to change how much water weight you gain

look at rampage's chest in t owns avy. i have a bigger chest than him. but you know what on tv they did tests with him punching a bag with sensors and his right hook has a higher force of impact than a bull's kick.

[T_Own]

i don't think so. since the bat is the mass hitting the ball, the only thing you affect if the bat speed.

i know it has nothing to do with it, but you could have a 100lb kid bench 500 and a 300lb kid bench 500, but they would probably hit about the same (yes, i know there's more to it than that, i played for like 8 years)

[one8nine]

but interms of hitting a ball farther with bat speed, will more mass behind the speed help hit it farther compared to just bein really strong? See my problem is, I want to hit bombs for my team this year, and dont want people to think im juicing which would be more obvious 30lbs heavier if that IS what it takes to hit bombs. My question is, can I hit bombs just as much by just gaining pure-strength with NO mass? Or do I, in terms of physics, need mass with strength to hit bombs? I rather cut and get super strengthed than get massive with strength to avoid speculation if i can still hit bombs despite not having the mass for it

it depends on your training.
if you want strength and power but not size forget dbol and drol dude
halotestin is an athletes best friend

[football3355]

i don't think so. since the bat is the mass hitting the ball, the only thing you affect if the bat speed.

i know it has nothing to do with it, but you could have a 100lb kid bench 500 and a 300lb kid bench 500, but they would probably hit about the same (yes, i know there's more to it than that, i played for like 8 years)

i see what you guys mean. Thank you so much. Heres what I think: the reason why kids think they have to be 6'2 245lbs is because they see MLB players who are that big hitting homers driving in 60-100 rbi's a season. But what they dont know is that mass is not directly related to bat speed and strength. Like one8nine said, its easier to get stronger when you have mass. Thats why mlb players do it. They dont have steroid(some lol) so they have to get really big in order to attain the strength to power the bat speed to hit homers. I get it finally. Now since i will be using gear, i can strive to minimize weight gain but have super strength to hit my bombs lol. But another ? comes up. Since anadrol 50, dbol, and other water retaining steroids help with strength, will non water retaining steroids awsome for strength only diminish their results just as quick as water retaining juice upon ending them?

[T_Own]

you keep some strength, not all.

[one8nine]

i see what you guys mean. Thank you so much. Heres what I think: the reason why kids think they have to be 6'2 245lbs is because they see MLB players who are that big hitting homers driving in 60-100 rbi's a season. But what they dont know is that mass is not directly related to bat speed and strength. Like one8nine said, its easier to get stronger when you have mass. Thats why mlb players do it. They dont have steroid(some lol) so they have to get really big in order to attain the strength to power the bat speed to hit homers. I get it finally. Now since i will be using gear, i can strive to minimize weight gain but have super strength to hit my bombs lol. But another ? comes up. Since anadrol 50, dbol, and other water retaining steroids help with strength, will non water retaining steroids awsome for strength only diminish their results just as quick as water retaining juice upon ending them?

typically the less sides something gives you the more solid the gains
please research halotestin

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[football3355]

thats some good info. Following your guideline of less sides=more gain Halotestin doesnt look too promising.....winstrol actually, according to the steroids effectiveness chart, has more strength gains than halotestin but more side-effects, so idk which way to go on this...help please lol

[football3355]

anavar seems like a good choice according to the steroids effectiveness charts....more strength than both halotestin and winstrol but less side effects

[T_Own]

anavar would be ok. i have a hard time believing it yields more strength than halo

[football3355]

anavar would be ok. i have a hard time believing it yields more strength than halo

to you,what would give me the BEST overall strength gains while minimizing weight gain and what would let me keep that strength the best?

[Bjohnson]

Extra strength is what will allow you to accelerate the bat up to speed in the short distance you have, extra weight acts as a counter weight to the bat's acceleration allowing you to hold proper form and keep your balance. Both are important, but i would say strength is more important.

Think of a really strong, yet light guy trying to shoot an elephant gun or a really heavy but weak guy shooting the same gun...both will get their asses kicked.

[T_Own]

well most strength gains diminish after the cycle, but if you don't get tested, you could run halo like a week before you start playing, and go for a few more weeks, otherwise i would go with anavar. you might gain a little weight but i think you have a better chance of keeping strength gains

[football3355]

Extra strength is what will allow you to accelerate the bat up to speed in the short distance you have, extra weight acts as a counter weight to the bat's acceleration allowing you to hold proper form and keep your balance. Both are important, but i would say strength is more important.

Think of a really strong, yet light guy trying to shoot an elephant gun or a really heavy but weak guy shooting the same gun...both will get their asses kicked.

hahahaha made my effin day right there man lol damn funny. Now back on topic, I see what you mean that why barry =ed homer after homer in 2001 (i think) when he was juiced up big time hitin 73homers in a season. He had more weight and strength on his side. So what roid should i use that will give me mild weight gain (5-10lbs) but will give me unimaginable strength

[football3355]

well most strength gains diminish after the cycle, but if you don't get tested, you could run halo like a week before you start playing, and go for a few more weeks, otherwise i would go with anavar. you might gain a little weight but i think you have a better chance of keeping strength gains

aw anavar huh? Yeah i dont mind gaining a little bit of weight but i want crazy strength and still be able to retain alot of it....will anavar be my savior? lol and what about tren? check this out...could be wrong just some research..ill send you a PM with the link since its not working....its on anabolic minds.net or w/e it was a poll for best quality strength gains and tren won by a longshot over anavar, halo, etc

[Bjohnson]

If you are thinking orals, i cycle of oral turanibol would probably get you 10 keepable lbs and a descent strength gains. Its what the east germans fed their olympic athletes for like 30 years and they dominated for such a small country. Anavar would be a bit more strenth, a bit less weight, from waht ive read.

I've personally done a 5 week cycle of OT and got freaky strong after the 3rd week.

[john1181]

i think var isnt much of a strength gain anything less than 80mg/ed...i waisted some in the beggining of my cycle at 50mg/ed for maybe 2weeks...i think tren is a really good strength gainer probly better than var but i cant tell wich one is doing it for me..i thinkits the tren...running on only 2 scoops of oats in the morning and the rest being veggiez i am on around the fourth week and my bench is up 40kilos..note, i havent benched in 7months because of shoulder injurie that i didnt even cure yet..hurts when i flat bench but incline doesnt at all hurt neither does military..out of all the years ive juiced i have to say that the best stregth gainer i havewitnessed was pro-anabol(prohormone with andro mix) back in 2000...hd bought it from greece..my bench had gone up 200lbs after plateu no joke..every week was an upper by like 20lbs i was wired all day long but my diet was many carbs and fat percentage was prob around 13..i wish i could find the stuff now...also ran some stuff called 1-ad last year the real stuff and that also worked great on low carb/calorie thats the avatars cycle, 1-ad, proviron, i had some ins in there towards the end

[T_Own]

yes, tren gives you crazy strength, but only when you're on. someone had said around 20% of your strength gains you will keep after

[Bjohnson]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ht=anavar+tbol

[football3355]

sounds interesting.......but i am more interested in pure strength that is keepable than poundage. If i want some weight later on i bought some testoprim-D from mexico a few months back which has test prop and test e in it. It would only be a 6 week cycle but right now its all i have until i can get myim hands on a source. Anyways, im stuck on what to use sides or bad for winny and halo, and anavar sounds perfect but idk if its strong enough and retainable. As for trem, t sounds wonderful but only 20% retainable....yeeesh, is there anyway to retain more of it, mabye a diff steroid?

[T_Own]

more doesn't always make it better, and since tren might be the strongest steroid (in certain aspects) not much other stuff will help. anavar is quality, hard gains.

[football3355]

more doesn't always make it better, and since tren might be the strongest steroid (in certain aspects) not much other stuff will help. anavar is quality, hard gains.

i completely understand man, quality over quantity any day. But just out of curiosity, would running a cycle with tren overlapped by var quality out the gains lol sort to speak?

[Bjohnson]

Tren is an advanced level steroid that needs to be run with test. Thats 3 substances you would looking at on your first cycle and tren is a tricky one. The complications would probably be way more than you are ready to deal with.

[football3355]

Tren is an advanced level steroid that needs to be run with test. Thats 3 substances you would looking at on your first cycle and tren is a tricky one. The complications would probably be way more than you are ready to deal with.

yup completely, that's why I plan not to take it for a long while, just curious. I love learning more and more about the anabolic world as possible. I am looking at Tren info on the profiles here, and it says its anabolic/adrogenic ratio is one of the most powerful ever created. 5x more anabolic than test and binds amazingly to the androgen receptors. No wonder john1181 said he has already had his bench go up 40kilos in week 4! BTW, why does Tren have to be ran with Test?

[T_Own]

it usually kills your libido so you can't get it up. "tren dick"
you can run tren with var, tren also builds quality muscle, but more than anavar would so you'd gain more weight. for a first cycle i'd stay away from it

[football3355]

it usually kills your libido so you can't get it up. "tren dick"
you can run tren with var, tren also builds quality muscle, but more than anavar would so you'd gain more weight. for a first cycle i'd stay away from it

gotcha. Oh without a doubt I won't do it first run....NOOO way my friend. I know what it's capable of being as it's 5x more androgenic than test as well as 5x more anabolic, but I don't know it's full history or info. Not to mention, I would rather save the best for last lol. No need to overload my fresh receptors now. I am just curious, not stupid. There is a reason why it is considered "advanced," and I don't want fina-dick right now lol. And WOW is it expensive, geeeeeez. You know what, I think I am going to do the smart and responsible thing and hold off on aas for a while. I am not sure if I have reached my genetic limit, I don't feel my diet is 100% which could delay or hinder my limit, and I think I bit more research and thinking is more responsible and will help me avoid more serious problems down the road than if I do it now. I mean I know alot, but there's never to much to be learned. I think it''ll be a wise decision for now.

[T_Own]

good idea. the anabolic/androgenic numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. if you look at halotestin, its supposedly 19x anabolic or something like that. but it doesn't build muscle nearly as well as other things

[football3355]

good idea. the anabolic/androgenic numbers should be taken with a grain of salt. if you look at halotestin, its supposedly 19x anabolic or something like that. but it doesn't build muscle nearly as well as other things

so is that why Test is still the "king of the road" in terms of roids? Well I will give some more research but right now if I decide to start a cycle, it will definitely be test prop as it works fast w/ less water retention meaning keeping more gains. But I will gain a ton of weight because of my diet I am putting together. But in terms of strength, how is test prop, c, e compared to say halo tren etc?

[T_Own]

pretty sure test is lower than those two. test is the king because all steroids are derived from a testosterone molecule and pretty much every worthwhile cycle has a test base

[football3355]

pretty sure test is lower than those two. test is the king because all steroids are derived from a testosterone molecule and pretty much every worthwhile cycle has a test base

so is test gunna be by best bet for alot of size and strength? or is there something out there that will give me some size, but a freakishly large amount of strength? I was thinking running (for a 2nd cycle) either var halo or tren for 4 weeks along with test prop out to 10 weeks but idk. All I really know if I want a ton of strengh (most retainable), and if that means weight idc, just a ton of pure all out strength for baseball. Sorry if i seem like an a*&hole cuz its 3 here and i should go to bed but i really wanna figure this out so i can sleep lol.

[T_Own]

test is a good start. halo would still give you better strength, but i don't know how much is retained.

take enough time off between cycles, don't get too ahead of yourself by planning so soon.

don't worry, its 6:30 and i still haven't gone to sleep

[football3355]

test is a good start. halo would still give you better strength, but i don't know how much is retained.

take enough time off between cycles, don't get too ahead of yourself by planning so soon.

don't worry, its 6:30 and i still haven't gone to sleep

i should just go with the 'ol arnold stack.....some dbol with some test....

1-4 wk dbol 30mg ed
1-10wk test prop 50mg ed
10-14 pct w/ nolva, proviron, and possbily amiridex (if needed)

sound good?

[T_Own]

yeah. you don't need the arimidex if you're using proviron. you can use arimidex on cycle to keep the bloat down (from the dbol) or just live with it for a few weeks

[football3355]

yeah. you don't need the arimidex if you're using proviron. you can use arimidex on cycle to keep the bloat down (from the dbol) or just live with it for a few weeks

awsome. So what I am trying to do if make dbol have me explode in size and strength in the first 4 weeks and then have prop at the same time kind of solidify them since it doesnt have much water retention and then after my gains from dbol or hopefully solodified, ill use the last 6 weeks worth of prop to gain alot of mass but very solid as well. <<<true?

[T_Own]

kinda. the bloat and size you put on depends entirely on your diet. you can cut with prop, but dbol wouldn't really work then.

whats your diet like?

[one8nine]

thats some good info. Following your guideline of less sides=more gain Halotestin doesnt look too promising.....winstrol actually, according to the steroids effectiveness chart, has more strength gains than halotestin but more side-effects, so idk which way to go on this...help please lol

halo is hard in the liver, maybe anger issues, no real sides
winny is nothing compared to halo
nothing will help you with strength more than halo, the only things that can compere are drol or tren.