MSB's 10 week OMNADREN cycle!

[MSB]

Age:21 Training:4 Years
5'9 165 lbs BF% See Pic Below
Goal: Not sure what to expect so we'll see as it goes..put on lots of muscle, and not gain to much fat. (wouldn't we all like to)

Previous Experience: 5 weeks of Anavar only and had pretty damn good results.

Running Jelfa Omnadren 250 2x week- shots will be Sun/Wed except for today Thurs (My First Shot)
Week 1-10 500mg Omnadren Testosterone.

PCT 18 days after last injection
day 1-7 Clomid 100mg & Nolva 40mg
day 8-21 Clomid 50mg & Nolva 20mg

Supplements:
Multi
Vit C 1000mg
Vit E 400iu
Zinc 30mg
Saw Palmetto 450mg
Hawthorne Berry 525mg
CoQu10
Milk Thistle 500mg
Fish & Flax
Glucosamine Chondroitin.


Diet: I have been cooking up a storm lately in preparation.
My diet will be about 4000-4500 cals a day to start, only clean foods,

Routine: My split goes like this, and I had much sucess with it on Var
day1: Chest/Tris
day2: Back/Bi's/ High Intensity Cardio 30 Mins
day3: Legs/Shoulders
day4: Low Intensiity Cardio 1 Hour
repeat

Will Update Log Regularly.

DAY 1 : 10/22/09
Took first shot last night, I was so damn nervouse, the needle was shaking. Shot my delt with a 25g 1". I felt no pain during shot, but am pretty sore today 1 day later, but nothing too bad.

Day 2: 10/23/09
Worked Chest and Tri's, ate like a beast. I will post todays diet before bed.

[MSB]

Few Questions:
I understand that it will be about 4 weeks before I notice any real strength or size gains, but how long does it usually take on average for symptoms like increased aggression, acne, or increased pumps?

Is there anyway I can find out for sure if my stuff is legit? Im 99% sure, but then again I really don't want to wait 4 weeks to know for sure? What are the quickest effects I will feel?
Thanks Guys!

[MSB]

Yesterday's Diet

Meal 1:
Shake (1 scoop whey, banana, 1 srvg Natty Peanut Butter, 1 cup milk)
2 packets oatmeal
4 egg whites

Snack:
half pound turkey breast, 1/4 cup cashews

Meal 2:
2 cups brown rice and 3 large chicken breasts

Meal 3: Pre W/O
1 pound flank steak (weighed raw) and 1 cup brown rice

Post W/O
2 scoops weigh

Meal 4:
2 cups brown rice and 1 pound flank steak w/ onions, and broccoli

Before Bed Shake:
1 cup milk, 1 scoop casein,1 srvg PB

normally I eat mostly fish and chicken, but I had a bunch of steak in the fridge that needed to be cooked.
I dont know the exact calories, but I am estimating between about 4000-4300.
I know diet needs a little tweaking, I feel like I'm taking in too many carbs, but it's hard to hit the 4k mark without it. off to the diet section I go.

[Rockin Z28]

PCT stands for post cycle therapy, you are running the new age DCT, during cycle therapy lol, definately need to rethink that

[Vitruvian-Man]

PCT
1-7 Clomid 100mg & Nolva 40mg
8-21 Clomid 50mg & Nolva 20mg

That's an awful PCT.

I do NOT condone using a SERM throughout cycle to "aid" with recovery. I think it's utter bullshit. I would only use nolvadex on this cycle IF i got gyno symtoms, and wanted to reverse it. an AI would be more suitable in this situation.

Your PCT is just a mess in general. I couldn't even imagine where one would come up with a PCT like that... hopefully BB.com. LOL.

PCT timing would start 18 days after your last injection of omna.

Weeks (13 - 17) nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Weeks (13 - 17) clomid 100/50/50/25

[MSB]

lol, sorry for the misunderstanding guys. I don't mean week 1-7 and 8-21
I mean 18 days after last injection I will run
day 1-7 40 nolva 100 clomid
day 8-21 20 nolva 50 clomid

[Vitruvian-Man]

lol, sorry for the misunderstanding guys. I don't mean week 1-7 and 8-21
I mean 18 days after last injection I will run
day 1-7 40 nolva 100 clomid
day 8-21 20 nolva 50 clomid

ok. sounds good.

why aren't you injecting the test EOD? twice a week is suitable, but I find much better results from the shorter esters if I shoot EOD (in sust like blends..)

Is it because you have amps? Because you know you can just save it preloaded in the syringe right? Or are you just scared of needles? loll

[MSB]

ok. sounds good.

why aren't you injecting the test EOD? twice a week is suitable, but I find much better results from the shorter esters if I shoot EOD (in sust like blends..)

Is it because you have amps? Because you know you can just save it preloaded in the syringe right? Or are you just scared of needles? loll

Ha, keep in mind this is my first cycle other than a few weeks of Var. I feel like 500mg a week is good for me. EOD would be nearly 1000mg a week. I thought that might be a little high. If I was gonna do EOD I'd prolly just use prop.
I know Im looking at 4 weeks or so for strength and size gains, but how long do you guys think I will notice other things like increased pumps, aggression, or acne? I cant wait to see something so I know my stuff is real.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Ha, keep in mind this is my first cycle other than a few weeks of Var. I feel like 500mg a week is good for me. EOD would be nearly 1000mg a week. I thought that might be a little high. If I was gonna do EOD I'd prolly just use prop.

What are you talking about? I just explained... you can take 1/2 a mL EOD = 2mL per week = 500mg each week.

Just keep half the oil in the syringe, and put a new pin on for the next injection. Come on rookie

and EOD is completely fine for a first cycle IMO... glutes/delts = 4 spot injections that will be completely painless (especially with only 125mg of test per injection).

Peace.

[MSB]

aaahh, i see what your saying. Im gonna stick with twice a week for this cycle.. I'm still not too smooth with the needles yet lol

[MSB]

Day 4 - 10/25/09

Just had second injection. Followed same exact routine as last time, and hit my other delt. 2 or 3 drops of blood came out of the injection site this time, and I was still moving the needle around a lot, it actually slid half way out when I aspirated so I had to slide it back in..lol. Other than that it all went smooth, and I cant wait to feel it baby!

My diet has been on point, 4000+ calories everyday. No junk food, minimal sodium, and eating full meals every 2 hours 3 at max.

I have Anavar and T-Bol on hand, and depending on how I feel next week I may throw in some Anavar at a low dose, for a little kick, but I will most likely hold of on the T-Bol for now.

[MSB]

Day 7- 10/28/09

Took my 3rd shot tonight, went fine.
Hit chest and Tri's at the gym.
Still eating in excess of 4k calories a day, and keeping it relatively clean.
Still haven't felt anything "extra"
I guess it's just a waiting game from here on out.

[MSB]

Day 10- 10/31/09

Happy Halloween Guys..
No changes to report as far as the omnas go. I still dont feel any different.
I scheduled a blood test for Nov 10th, but Im gonna see if I can get in before that.

Anyways I started Oral Turinabol and Anavar today
I am taking 40mg of Var and 40mg of OT
I plan on staying on these for 5 weeks if my body lets me.

I had some BP issues with Var before, but I'v got lots of Hawthorn and CoQu10, so I'm hoping that keeps it in check.

It's normal that I wouldn't feel any symptoms from the test this early in right?

[wukillabee]

Day 10- 10/31/09

Happy Halloween Guys..
No changes to report as far as the omnas go. I still dont feel any different.
I scheduled a blood test for Nov 10th, but Im gonna see if I can get in before that.

Anyways I started Oral Turinabol and Anavar today
I am taking 40mg of Var and 40mg of OT
I plan on staying on these for 5 weeks if my body lets me.

I had some BP issues with Var before, but I'v got lots of Hawthorn and CoQu10, so I'm hoping that keeps it in check.

It's normal that I wouldn't feel any symptoms from the test this early in right?

40mg ed of turn is average but 40mg var bro? Thats on the very low side. If var gives u bp issues then orals in general probably arent for u or maybe just var? I say that cus var is the one oral that gives the very least amount of bad sides. Avg dose for var ive seen is usually 60mg, mid dose being 80mg, high dose being 100-140mg. Most even say they dont feel var til they hit the 100mg/ed mark!

[Kibble]

Good luck with your cycle. I keep hearing to try the omnas. I only have one suggestion. Maybe add in an off-day before you restart your training week again. I am sure that 3 days of recovery might be fine for you between bodygroups, but I know that it takes myself at least 5 days to recover. That is all I really see

[MSB]

wu, I do see a lot of people that use Var in excess of 100mg. I guess I could go a little higher than 40, but I had good results with it the first time so I figured I'd stick to it.
thanks kountry! I usually take 1 day a week off. I just don't have a set off day. I wait until I'm sore all over, than I just take one off here and there, kind of like today ha.

Day 11- 11/01/09

Took 4th shot this morning..
I feel nothing when I inject, and don't even get sore at all. I cant even tell which shoulder I shot. Any one else have it like this? I thought the prop is supposed to cause some post injection soreness?

Aside from that I weighed in at 168lbs this morning, so I'm up 3 lbs. Gotta be from the diet though.

Still waiting for this stuff to kick in. I feel like a little kid on the night before Christmas, lol

[alwaysontime]

what happened?

share sum info, how did it go
were u satisfied :>

[MSB]

Day 14 -11/04/09

Still no changes to report.
Workouts have been pretty much the same. No strength gains to report yet.
I am up another pound or so, I am guessing purely from diet, but it looks like it's going to my belly so I am only going to lighten up the carbs a little.
I'v been on Var and TBol 40mg each for 5 days now, and I'm guessing It el' kick in soon.
other than that injections are smooth and I get no pain. Just took 5th one tonight.
getting blood work on the 10th so, ill keep everyone posted.

[Kibble]

Still following. Lookin forward to your shit kicking in

[MSB]

Took 6th shot today
I'm 9 days into Var and TBol also and I am starting to notice a very slight increase in strength.
My pump is up a lot.
I hit Back and Bi's today, and my Bi's were so pumped from back that I had trouble finishing the w/o.
I weighed in at 172lbs so I am up about 4 pounds since starting the orals.
Not sure if it's the orals or the test kicking in though.
As far as side effects, I have noticed that my libido is up slightly, but thats it.
Looking forward to blood work next week/

[MSB]

Day 21 - 10/11/09

Getting ready for my 7th shot tonight.
Unfortunatly I'v been sick for the last 4 days, and out of the gym for the last 3.
I want to lift so bad, but it always makes me worse.
Other than that I'v still been able to eat all my food because thankfully my throat is fine.
Depending on how I feel tomorrow I will be back in their.
I got bloodwork done yesterday and reults will be up in about a week.
I am starting to notice that I look a little more "pumped" in the mirror, but still nothing major.

[xnotoriousx]

I got sick as hell about 3 weeks into my cycle also man that test flu is a bitch!

Keep that water UP and take some vitamin C... Wish you a speedy recovery bro.

[gymbob]

hey man, just curious about your previous var only cycle? was it worth it? you said you only did 40mg ED? 5 weeks? how was your strength gains? and did u put on/retain any lbs? and cuz im new what where the BP's you were talking about? thanks man. and your cycle looks exciting im excited to see the results i bet youll do well

[MSB]

I got sick as hell about 3 weeks into my cycle also man that test flu is a bitch!

Keep that water UP and take some vitamin C... Wish you a speedy recovery bro.

Thanks notoriouse. I dont think it's "test flu". It's just like a head cold, stuffy nose, and a cough w/ flem and shit but no sore throat or fever.
think it's just the weather change.

hey man, just curious about your previous var only cycle? was it worth it? you said you only did 40mg ED? 5 weeks? how was your strength gains? and did u put on/retain any lbs? and cuz im new what where the BP's you were talking about? thanks man. and your cycle looks exciting im excited to see the results i bet youll do well

hey I made a pretty detailed log of that cycle, i updated ever 2-3 days you can read it here
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=391224
I would say yes it was worth it, but if I could rewind to the beginning I would DEFINATLY use testosterone with it also. I got injured a month or so after and was out of the gym for a little over a month and lost most of the gains.
My favorite part of the cycle was the strength. It was really good, but I lost most of it as soon as I came off.
BP is blood pressure it was the only problems I had while ON, but Iv been using the same stuff for 2 weeks now with no issues.

[Vitruvian-Man]

keep up the good work bro. I'm still watching lol.

[MSB]

keep up the good work bro. I'm still watching lol.

good to see ya Vitruvian, and I debated a 60/60 split for a while after ya beet me up over it..lol, I would only have enough for 25 days at 60mg though.
Im really excited to get my bloodwork back. It's really gonna show the potency of the Omnas..Im praying their real!

[MSB]

DAY 33 / 11-23-09

Just got my blood work back.
My test levels were 1293 on a scale of 250-1000 I was 18 days in and 6 shots deep.
I am really confused and dont know what do do at this point?
Arent my levels supposed to be much higher on 500mg week?
On the flip side I'm still gaining weight slowly and steadily and my strength is increasing slightly every week. I believe it's from the orals though.
Im really confused and dont know if I should keep running the Omnas or not?
What do you guys make of this?

[Trippensee]

Take pictures of your gear and post em on fake or real.

[MSB]

Take pictures of your gear and post em on fake or real.

I did when I first got em', here's the thread.
Has anyone ever heard of TBol increasing test levels?
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=404818

[Vitruvian-Man]

good to see ya Vitruvian, and I debated a 60/60 split for a while after ya beet me up over it..lol, I would only have enough for 25 days at 60mg though.!

Fair enough bro, I totally understand, gears expensive. especially stupid var, lol. refresh my memory.. how long are you going to be taking the var-t-bol for now? ~35 days?

DAY 33 / 11-23-09

Just got my blood work back.
My test levels were 1293 on a scale of 250-1000 I was 18 days in and 6 shots deep.
I am really confused and dont know what do do at this point?
Arent my levels supposed to be much higher on 500mg week?
On the flip side I'm still gaining weight slowly and steadily and my strength is increasing slightly every week. I believe it's from the orals though.
Im really confused and dont know if I should keep running the Omnas or not?
What do you guys make of this?

Blood-work looks really good for 18 days in.

Omna's have mostly long ester test, so you'll have to wait a little bit for your levels to peak. 1300 is excellent for 2 1/2 weeks on cycle though...

(I don't really get why you'd be "confused?" lol.. you should be stoked bro! )

Anyways, I'll be popping in from time to time.. peace

[MSB]

hmm everyone tells me they should be a lot higher, but I'll take your word for it VM..You've got some exp so I hope you're right bro.
Have you ever heard of TBol increasing test levels?

edit: yeah Var and TBol 35 days. I have about 10 left

[MSB]

Day 36 - 10/26/09

Happy T-Day guys! EAT UP!

took 10th shot today. So I'm half way through.
I weighed 177 yesterday morning so Im up around 10 pounds, since starting the cycle.

I only have another 10 days left to the VAR and TBOL so I bumbed up my dosage to 60mg on the VAR.
Honestly I dont feel like this cycle is that much stronger than my VAR only cycle I ran a few months ago. The main difference I notice between that cycle and this one is the way I look ( strength gains are very similar so far)
Although Im only up 10 pounds, it feels like more, and I am getting a lot of comments on the weight gain ex..
friends: "are you on roids?" / "yo can I w/o with you?" / "dude you look like you sat on an air hose"
and my favorite... mom " you need to stop working out jeeezus! you're getting too big" I lol'd.

My strength really isnt up as much as I'd expect at this point though.
heres some lifts pre-cycle
DB Press 80x5
Barbell Row good form 155x8
DB Curl 40 x8 each hand

here's lifts now
DB Press 90x5
Barbell Row 185x6
DB Curl 50x6 each hand
I dont squat or deadlift heavy, but the weight is moving easier on both of those exercizes also.

to be honest half way in, I kind of expected a little more from this cycle, especially running the orals too, but we'll see what happens over the next 35 days.
PEACE

[MSB]

12/02/09 Day 42 (End Of Week 6)

The last few days my appetite has been down a lot. Don't know why, but I'm having some trouble getting in the calories I normally do, and I'v been exausted the last few days. Don't know maybe I'm coming down with something.
I am weighing 179 on the scale, so im up another pound or two, and am getting a lot of comments.
As for strength gains, I seemed to have hit a plateau for the last 2 weeks.
As for sides, I haven't noticed anything out of the norm, not even nut shrinkage
I am thinking for the rest of the cycle I will be injecting E3D instead of E3D E4D. It will only shorten the cycle by 4 days, but I feel I'll have better results injecting more frequently.

[MSB]

FULL BLOOD WORK FROM END OF WEEK 3
first numbers are before cycle, second are 3 weeks in.
500mg Omnadren 40mg TBol and Var each
I have 3 pages of blood work, but am only posting the numbers that are out of range.
If you want to know another number let me know and I'll post it.

Before --------------------- 3 Weeks In

Testosterone Total 849 ng/dl ------------------ 1293ng/dl
Testosterone Free 165.4pg/ml ------------------ 375.4pg/ml
Estradiol 45 pg/ml ------------------ 74 pg/ml
SHBG 22 nmol/l -------------------- 4 nmol/l
LH 4.3 ------------------------- .2
FSH 4.0 ------------------------ .7


HDL 58 -------------------------- 18
LDL 72 ---------------------------- 144
HDL/LDL Ratio 2.6 -------------------------- 10.2
Creatinine .84 ----------------------------- .79
Monocytes 649 ------------------------------ 1212
Eosinophils 62 ------------------------------ 616

As you can see my Test didn't increase that much, but my free test damn near doubled.
I didn't post my liver values because they are good.
My Cholesterol was ripped to shit. I am doubling up on the fish and flax oil..Any recommendations for this?
My creatinine has been low for months I guess so I will be taking 1 scoop a day from here on out.
Not sure what monocytes and eosinaphils are, but they increased a lot, anyone know if this is normal?
Being that my estrogen is pretty high Im starting aromasin at 12.5ed.
I told the doc what I was on, and he said it all looks normal from what he sees.
If anyone has bloodwork during cycle, Id like to see how your HDL, LDL, estrogen and test levels compare. Feel free to post it up.

[MSB]

12/08/09 Day 48

took 14th shot tonight.
Did some crazy lifting with my trainer yesterday and today. Took comparison pics after lifting. Ill get a front double Bi at the end of the cycle. Damn I'm sore right now.
Anyways I weighed 178 on the scale so down 2 lbs since stopping the orals so far. I picked up my diet an extra 500 cals or so. I'm taking in nothing less than 4000 day!
I want to know If the orals I had were what they were supposed to be. Anyone have experience with this product? It tests for Anavar, and I'm thinking of getting it.
Steroid Drug Testing kits - SteroidConfirm Test
Anyways what do you guys think? I honestly don't see a huge difference, but I'm up roughly 13-15 pounds.
1st is day 1 second is yesterday.

edit: started Aromasin at 12.5 ed 3 days ago. Am I going to feel leaner from it? How long will it take to be fully effective in lowering my estrogen levels? Could Aromasin be responsible for the weightloss because I'm losing water?

[sgt1125]

You have no soreness after shots at all? did the omnas raise you're bp much? im planning to start 10 week omna..

[MSB]

I get literally NO post injection soreness. My BP has been 120/75 throughout whole cycle so far, which is weird because last time I took Var it went way up.
Honestly at this point I expected a little more than what I'm getting though.

[Wayne55]

Did you post pics of your gear on the fake or real thread?

[MSB]

Did you post pics of your gear on the fake or real thread?

yep on multiple forums. I know all the gear is real, but with these UGL's you just don't know what your getting
They could easily market Winny as Var, and I know the Omnas are underdosed. I mean it's my first cycle, but I'm not experiencing half of what most people would be describing by now, and I don't have unrealistic goals. I understand Im not gonna be entering IFBB any time soon, but I was honestly expecting a little more at this point.

[Remoguy]

Hey man wut week are you on? because it takes a good 5 weeks to just about feel the final compound in the amps.