First cycle, Test E.

[thebeast71]

age: 24
height: 6'1
weight: 260
bf% : not sure around 10-15%
diet summary/# meals per day: Meat, tuna. 4 times a day
years lifting / workout split: 9 years, 4-6 times a week
cycle experience: none
pct/estrogen control knowledge: none
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...) : size, strength

i wanna try a Test E cycle.

16 week cycle.
1-16 test-E 2ml 2XW

PCT, 14 days after my last injection.

i'd like to use Arimidex for my AI

[Mulciber]

dont really think 16 weeks is necessary first run and all.. 12 would be fine.
adex through cycle would be fine
read some of the stickies in the pct forum and learn about..anti-e's... AI's/serms..

[hankdiesel]

6'1" 260 and only 10-15% bf........might be a little higher than that or maybe you a natural beast. 10-12 weeks would be plenty. It is nice to have an AI on hand during cycle but only use it if necessary.

[thebeast71]

dont really think 16 weeks is necessary first run and all.. 12 would be fine.
adex through cycle would be fine
read some of the stickies in the pct forum and learn about..anti-e's... AI's/serms..

well several people told me after 12 weeks is when the test really starts to kick in, so thats y they say do 16 weeks.

this is what i found for AI's and serms : written by one8nine

AI – The male body naturally wants a 10:1 ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Normal men have about 10mg and 1mg of estrogen every day. Testosterone is produced, and then converted into estrogen in the aromatize enzyme. Just as an example, if one’s Testosterone levels rise to 100mg in one day, one’s body will try to appease that 10:1 ratio and have 10mg of estrogen. Now, with 10mg of estrogen you have the same amount of estrogen as an average woman. An AI greatly reduces or stops this conversion by suppressing aromatize enzymes. Examples: Letrozole, Arimidex, Aromasin, and Proviron

SERM – One can basically think of these as empty placeholders, they look close enough to estrogen that they fill the spots in the tissues that estrogen want to park, so your body will not be able to get signal from the estrogen, effectively giving you time to rid your body of these nasty hormones before they have any devastating effects. Ex: Nolvadex



SOOOO Adex should be fine for my PCT. and i should keep a thing of nova around druing my cycle encase gyno pops up?

[WARMachine]

Adex only is NOT a good PCT.

Thats not what 189 claimed either...

Maybe you should re-read his PCT thread...


You should also know that Nolva reduces the effectiveness of Adex as well...

[Big]

last night:

id say 15-25% its been awhile since i got it checked, and im 24

today:

age: 24
height: 6'1
weight: 260
bf% : not sure around 10-15%
diet summary/# meals per day: Meat, tuna. 4 times a day
years lifting / workout split: 9 years, 4-6 times a week
cycle experience: none
pct/estrogen control knowledge: none
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...) : size, strength

i wanna try a Test E cycle.

16 week cycle.
1-16 test-E 2ml 2XW

PCT, 14 days after my last injection.

i'd like to use Arimidex for my AI

So since last night you dropped that much body fat?

[LATS60]

well several people told me after 12 weeks is when the test really starts to kick in, so thats y they say do 16 weeks.

this is what i found for AI's and serms : written by one8nine

AI – The male body naturally wants a 10:1 ratio of testosterone to estrogen. Normal men have about 10mg and 1mg of estrogen every day. Testosterone is produced, and then converted into estrogen in the aromatize enzyme. Just as an example, if one’s Testosterone levels rise to 100mg in one day, one’s body will try to appease that 10:1 ratio and have 10mg of estrogen. Now, with 10mg of estrogen you have the same amount of estrogen as an average woman. An AI greatly reduces or stops this conversion by suppressing aromatize enzymes. Examples: Letrozole, Arimidex, Aromasin, and Proviron

SERM – One can basically think of these as empty placeholders, they look close enough to estrogen that they fill the spots in the tissues that estrogen want to park, so your body will not be able to get signal from the estrogen, effectively giving you time to rid your body of these nasty hormones before they have any devastating effects. Ex: Nolvadex



SOOOO Adex should be fine for my PCT. and i should keep a thing of nova around druing my cycle encase gyno pops up?

After twelve wks is when it starts to level off and gains start too slow, so you were told wrong mate.
I would take whatever you read by 189 with a large pinch of salt.

[WARMachine]

last night:




today:


So since last night you dropped that much body fat?

busted....

[thebeast71]

nah its been years since i got my BF done.

15-25% sounds like to much..that would meen i have around 60 punds of pure fat right?

and that doesnt correct.

thats y i lowered it to 10-15%

[hankdiesel]

I knew it...........do some cardio

[Sherman01]

Well your 6'1 and 260. So if your not stronger than a middle linebacker in the NFL, yes you have 60 pounds of fat.

[Big]

You need to have it measured, or at least post some pics so we can see what you're working with. Small differences in bf% make a huge difference. If you were 6'1", 260lbs, and 10%bf, you would be just about ready to step on stage.

[thebeast71]

You need to have it measured, or at least post some pics so we can see what you're working with. Small differences in bf% make a huge difference. If you were 6'1", 260lbs, and 10%bf, you would be just about ready to step on stage.

ahhh okay maby it is 20-25%
i need to just get check so i can no for sure.

ANNNNNY WAAAAAY BACK TO THE CYCLE

is just nova good for PCT or so i need clomid with it?


Edit. ill try and add some pic's soon

[Big]

I like nolva and clomid, and an ai for pct, preferably aromasin.

[thebeast71]

big thank you, you have been helpfull and everyone who has givin me advice. i gota go to work. ill try and add some pictures 2morrow.

[thebeast71]

I like nolva and clomid, and an ai for pct, preferably aromasin.

ok so nolva and aromasin would be good got my PCT?(good too have an AI and serm in PCT, correct?)

and i should take a AI while im on my cycle right? and if so would Letro work?

i i keep seeing thinks like this
"Nolva+Clomid (#wks):
40/40/20/20/20/20
50/50/25/25"
is this the amount there taking each week?

[Mulciber]

AI

each day for those weeks

[thebeast71]

thebeast71;4327855]ok so nolva and aromasin would be good got my PCT?(good too have an AI and serm in PCT, correct?)

and i should take a AI while im on my cycle right? and if so would Letro work? or can i use the same AI that im gonna use in my PCT?

i i keep seeing thinks like this
"Nolva+Clomid (#wks):
40/40/20/20/20/20
50/50/25/25"
is this the amount there taking each week?


**** i ment to edit my earlyer post not make a new one

[Big]

thebeast71;4327855]ok so nolva and aromasin would be good got my PCT?(good too have an AI and serm in PCT, correct?)

and i should take a AI while im on my cycle right? and if so would Letro work? or can i use the same AI that im gonna use in my PCT?

i i keep seeing thinks like this
"Nolva+Clomid (#wks):
40/40/20/20/20/20
50/50/25/25"
is this the amount there taking each week?


**** i ment to edit my earlyer post not make a new one

the dosage would be daily, for the number of weeks listed.

[sinny]

thebeast71;4327855]ok so nolva and aromasin would be good got my PCT?(good too have an AI and serm in PCT, correct?)

and i should take a AI while im on my cycle right? and if so would Letro work? or can i use the same AI that im gonna use in my PCT?

i i keep seeing thinks like this
"Nolva+Clomid (#wks):
40/40/20/20/20/20
50/50/25/25"
is this the amount there taking each week?


**** i ment to edit my earlyer post not make a new one

letro is a very harsh AI bro i use it at half of 2.5mg tab eod when running a large cycle,for a test cycle as you are doing i think big gave some good advise and advised aramasin..

[Big]

^agreed, I don't recommend letro for anything but gyno reversal if called for.

[thebeast71]

so could i use aromasin during my cycle and for my PCT?

[Big]

so could i use aromasin during my cycle and for my PCT?

my ai of choice on cycle is arimidex, on pct is aromasin.

[thebeast71]

dont i need a serm also with my AI in the PCT?

[Big]

I like nolva and clomid, and an ai for pct, preferably aromasin.

dont i need a serm also with my AI in the PCT?

we are officially going in circles now...

[Big]

I know this is a lot to absorb, perhaps you should consider spending a night or two in a Holiday Inn Express.

[Reed]

I know this is a lot to absorb, perhaps you should consider spending a night or two in a Holiday Inn Express.

[sinny]

I know this is a lot to absorb, perhaps you should consider spending a night or two in a Holiday Inn Express.

[thebeast71]

I know this is a lot to absorb, perhaps you should consider spending a night or two in a Holiday Inn Express.

thats probably a good idea lol. been like 4 days on this site reading. i got so much ****in info mixed up in my head...tryin to put it all in place.

[sinny]

hey bro,good to see you again

[Big]

thats probably a good idea lol. been like 4 days on this site reading. i got so much ****in info mixed up in my head...tryin to put it all in place.

you're doing the right thing, just give it time to sink in, I've been at this for a while now and I'm still learning.

[Reed]

hey bro,good to see you again

What up sinny do you have your report for me yet You can PM me if you'd like. Always interested in new opinions as I believe there are many roads to the same goal

[sinny]

What up sinny do you have your report for me yet You can PM me if you'd like. Always interested in new opinions as I believe there are many roads to the same goal

hi bro,i posted something in the other thread,im a little busy to write something big at the minute but hope the post helps,i own a gym and its busy here tonight

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=367845&page=2

[thebeast71]

age: 24
height: 6'1
weight: 260
bf% : not sure around 10-15%
diet summary/# meals per day: Meat, tuna. 4 times a day
years lifting / workout split: 9 years, 4-6 times a week
cycle experience: none
pct/estrogen control knowledge: none
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...) : size, strength


12 week cycle
1-12 Test-E
2-12 arimidex ED?

PCT: 14 days after my last injection
1-12aromasin
1-12 novla

how does this look?

[Big]

add some dosages

[Mulciber]

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[thebeast71]

[QUOTE=thebeast71;4328663]age: 24
height: 6'1
weight: 260
bf% : not sure around 10-15%
diet summary/# meals per day: Meat, tuna. 4 times a day
years lifting / workout split: 9 years, 4-6 times a week
cycle experience: none
pct/estrogen control knowledge: none
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...) : size, strength


12 week cycle
1-12 Test-E
2-12 arimidex -10mg's daily-

PCT: 14 days after my last injection
1-12aromasin - havent found a good dose yet-
1-12 novla -10 mg daily-

how does this look?


EDIT___added doses

[Big]

[QUOTE=thebeast71;4328688]

age: 24
height: 6'1
weight: 260
bf% : not sure around 10-15%
diet summary/# meals per day: Meat, tuna. 4 times a day
years lifting / workout split: 9 years, 4-6 times a week
cycle experience: none
pct/estrogen control knowledge: none
goals (size/cut/strength/speed etc...) : size, strength


12 week cycle
1-12 Test-E
2-12 arimidex -10mg's daily-

PCT: 14 days after my last injection
1-12aromasin - havent found a good dose yet-
1-12 novla -10 mg daily-

how does this look?


EDIT___added doses

huh?

[thebeast71]

i added dosages

[fit4ever180]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong here, but

PCT
wk 1-12 on aromasin and nolva? Bit overkill right?

Isn't the general consensus something like

wk 1-4 aromasin 25mg/ed
wk 1-2 nolva 40mg/ed
wk 3-4 nolva 2mg/ed
wk 1-2 clomid 50mg/ed
wk 3-4 clomid 25mg/ed