Cant decide...

[Berserker88]

Hey guys just looking for some input

Got a few 10ml vials of 250mg Test-E - Im trying to decide how to run it.

Before I start

24
103kg
14-15% bf
Training for strongman not BB'ing
Running Test-E & D-bol (weeks 1-4 kickstart)
pct is sorted
This is my first cycle

Now the question I have is regarding length and dosage.

I want to use up vials - what i mean by this is I dont want to leave half used one - want to either use them up or not. Have my reasons for this.

First plan is - 400mg a week which is 0.8ml x2 (2 injections 3.5 days apart) = 1.6ml a week = 20 ml (2 vials) used in 12.5 weeks

Second plan is - 500mg a week which is 1ml x2 = 2ml a week for 15 weeks = 3 vials used.

Just wondering which way to go and why you recommend it.

Personally im leaning towards the 500 for 15 weeks.

Thanks guys.

[sigman roid]

Is this your first cycle?

[sigman roid]

sorry i just saw it up there i would recomend 500mg 2x a week for 12 weeks then start pct week 15

[t-gunz]

^^^ agreed.

good to see an aussie around the sydney area

[*RAGE*]

sorry i just saw it up there i would recomend 500mg 2x a week for 12 weeks then start pct week 15

I am sure sigman ment 250mg 2x a week for a total of 500mg for 12 to 14 weeks start pct two weeks after last injection...

I would run the dbol at 50mg ed for the first four weeks. try and break it up thoughout the day....

good luck..

Peace

[Berserker88]

sorry i just saw it up there i would recomend 500mg 2x a week for 12 weeks then start pct week 15

Problem is as i said though i DONT want to have half finished vials at the end of the cycle - If i do 500mg a week for 12 weeks that ends up being 2 and a bit.

only 2 options I can see is 400 for 12.5 or 500 for 15.

Anything bad about running 15 instead of 12?

^^^ agreed.

good to see an aussie around the sydney area

Thanks

[*RAGE*]

Problem is as i said though i DONT want to have half finished vials at the end of the cycle - If i do 500mg a week for 12 weeks that ends up being 2 and a bit.

only 2 options I can see is 400 for 12.5 or 500 for 15.

Anything bad about running 15 instead of 12?




Thanks

I would say if you are going to run it for 15 weeks just add a week onto your PCT for five weeks and I noticed you did nto write it out so I will do it for you...

clomid 100mg ed for two weeks then drop it down to 50mg ed for three weeks
nolva 40mg ed for two weeks and drop it down to 20mg ed for three weeks

also just to add if you dont like the sides of clomid I would take it at night to cut back on the sides....

[Berserker88]

I would say if you are going to run it for 15 weeks just add a week onto your PCT for five weeks and I noticed you did nto write it out so I will do it for you...

clomid 100mg ed for two weeks then drop it down to 50mg ed for three weeks
nolva 40mg ed for two weeks and drop it down to 20mg ed for three weeks

also just to add if you dont like the sides of clomid I would take it at night to cut back on the sides....

Thanks mate but you mite have missed in my first post i said i have it all sorted haha, thanks again away

[*RAGE*]

Thanks mate but you mite have missed in my first post i said i have it all sorted haha, thanks again away

yes you did but remember it is early here


good luck bro..

[Berserker88]

From what I can gather

If i do 400mg for 12.5 weeks - thats pretty standard but most people seem to prefer the 500mg dose.

If i do 500 for 15 weeks - being my first cycle I dont know how long it will take for me to recover from the cycle (then again i have no idea anyway)

IF this is correct - is there really much difference between 400 for 12.5 weeks or 500 for 15 weeks?

[*RAGE*]

From what I can gather

If i do 400mg for 12.5 weeks - thats pretty standard but most people seem to prefer the 500mg dose.

If i do 500 for 15 weeks - being my first cycle I dont know how long it will take for me to recover from the cycle (then again i have no idea anyway)

IF this is correct - is there really much difference between 400 for 12.5 weeks or 500 for 15 weeks?

for first cycle IMO NO

[Berserker88]

Thanks for the input mate. I sort of wanted to hear that hahah.

Any more opinions on why I "SHOULDNT" do 500mg a week test-e for 15 weeks?

[chuckt12345]

shouldnt make much difference if you run it 12 or 15 as far as recovery, you may not see that much diffrence in gains either,, but ive never seen someone make a cycle around not wanting to leave left over gear in the vial.

[Berserker88]

for first cycle IMO NO

shouldnt make much difference if you run it 12 or 15 as far as recovery, you may not see that much diffrence in gains either,, but ive never seen someone make a cycle around not wanting to leave left over gear in the vial.

Its a stupid fear of disease sneaking in through the rubber stopper if its sitting around for months after use

Yes you may all laugh now.

Why would you say not much difference in gains? Thought and extra 100mg a week and 3 weeks longer would make a bit of a difference.

[chuckt12345]

Its a stupid fear of disease sneaking in through the rubber stopper if its sitting around for months after use

Yes you may all laugh now.

Why would you say not much difference in gains? Thought and extra 100mg a week and 3 weeks longer would make a bit of a difference.

well since its your first cycle your body is gonna react pretty much the same with 400 as 500,, im not saying you wont get more out of 500 for 15wk but i wouldnt do it just because you have a fear your gear will get contaminated.

[Berserker88]

well since its your first cycle your body is gonna react pretty much the same with 400 as 500,, im not saying you wont get more out of 500 for 15wk but i wouldnt do it just because you have a fear your gear will get contaminated.

Is there anything "bad" from running 500 for 15weeks?

[Dont wanna be old]

If your looking for strongman results . Does that mean you will be 1 rep max weights ?
With you kick starting D-bol and doing 15 weeks total . You will be very strong with 500mg test e . I suggest doing 400mg for 12 weeks , saving a vial for next cycle that you will be anxiously awaiting . 400mg you will very pleased .
also I suggest not going below 3 or 4 reps max weight . With great strength increases comes great responsibility .
I am no expert , Just like to see people not get sidelined by accident or injury .
Good luck and enjoy !

[Berserker88]

If your looking for strongman results . Does that mean you will be 1 rep max weights ?
With you kick starting D-bol and doing 15 weeks total . You will be very strong with 500mg test e . I suggest doing 400mg for 12 weeks , saving a vial for next cycle that you will be anxiously awaiting . 400mg you will very pleased .
also I suggest not going below 3 or 4 reps max weight . With great strength increases comes great responsibility .
I am no expert , Just like to see people not get sidelined by accident or injury .
Good luck and enjoy !

Mostly 3-5 Reps.

Reason im leaning towards 500 mg for 15 is the info in the steroid profile on this site -

"Now this is very interesting. You´ll note that the most fat was lost by the group in this study who used the highest dose (600mgs/week), and the most Fat Free mass, Strength and Muscle Volume was gained, when compared to any of the lower doses studied (14). Basically, the more testosterone you use (and this holds true for almost all steroids), the more gains you´ll get! I know that the previous statement will ruffle some feathers in the "less is more" club, but that´s simply too bad... more test = more muscle, more strength, more size, and less fat. "

[Dont wanna be old]

Mostly 3-5 Reps.

Reason im leaning towards 500 mg for 15 is the info in the steroid profile on this site -

"Now this is very interesting. You´ll note that the most fat was lost by the group in this study who used the highest dose (600mgs/week), and the most Fat Free mass, Strength and Muscle Volume was gained, when compared to any of the lower doses studied (14). Basically, the more testosterone you use (and this holds true for almost all steroids), the more gains you´ll get! I know that the previous statement will ruffle some feathers in the "less is more" club, but that´s simply too bad... more test = more muscle, more strength, more size, and less fat. "

That maybe true . But also remember there is gonna be a time when you are not on 500mg test . The big increase in anabolic effects are easier going up then down . Quite simple it's better to start with small steps than a leap .
Your first cycle is a test of your mind also . When your where doing 8 reps with 315 on the bench a month ago and now 295 is all you wanna do without a spot is disheartening . The longer the cycle the longer the pct and time off to next cycle .
Although I look for conservative approach , I believe you will benefit more .
Good luck

[Berserker88]

That maybe true . But also remember there is gonna be a time when you are not on 500mg test . The big increase in anabolic effects are easier going up then down . Quite simple it's better to start with small steps than a leap .
Your first cycle is a test of your mind also . When your where doing 8 reps with 315 on the bench a month ago and now 295 is all you wanna do without a spot is disheartening . The longer the cycle the longer the pct and time off to next cycle .
Although I look for conservative approach , I believe you will benefit more .
Good luck

Hmm good point...

Mite go with 400mg for 12.5 weeks then.

leaves me another spare 20ml if I want to run another 400mg for 12.5 cycle down the track.

Thanks for the input

[Dont wanna be old]

Hmm good point...

Mite go with 400mg for 12.5 weeks then.

leaves me another spare 20ml if I want to run another 400mg for 12.5 cycle down the track.

Thanks for the inpit

It's just my conservative idealism's . Good point I'm not sure . I screwed all my cycles in the 90's without PCT . Maybe a few more people can give a closer expectation to strength gains . Over the counter supplements claims is a example of power of steriods . You don't see steriods claiming the effects of over the counter products . Hence there's nothing like it ! Good luck !

[Berserker88]

bump a roo

[Matt]

Why the bump?? What else do you need to know lol????

[Berserker88]

a few more opinions before i make my decision